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Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:50 am EDT

Why ... the Hornets have fallen so hard


One national columnist
has recently taken to pointing out how, in his eyes, the New Orleans Hornets have essentially given up on their coach, Byron Scott. Now, he might be correct in that regard, and last night's 58-point home defeat at the hands of the Denver Nuggets would only seem to drive that point home.

But I think there's a bigger problem, here. And it's been pretty obvious since the beginning of the season; and though to me it seems a lot more obvious and way more influential toward whether or not New Orleans plays well, for some reason it doesn't get the pub it deserves.

The Hornets just aren't that good.

Chris Paul is an MVP candidate. David West is a very good scoring forward. Tyson Chandler can be a dominant defensive force when healthy, even without having to block a ton of shots. But beyond that, the team is awful. And for some reason this has been passed over time and time again by media and fans alike.

Now, I realize I'm treading on some of the same ground Woj went over last night, but I wrote the bulk of this post on Sunday, when I found this quote from Tyson Chandler in a months-old ESPN the Magazine, stuck under several other periodicals in my lavatory.

In talking to Chris Broussard last February, Chandler huffed aloud (in an otherwise tactful take, I should add) regarding Hornets GM Jeff Bower's post-trade comments after dealing Chandler to Oklahoma City.

Though the move was done with financial considerations in mind, Bower mainly wanted to talk about the depth he accrued in return for Chandler, in the form of big men Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox. Chandler wasn't buying it. "Sometimes a team has to make financial decisions, I get that," he told Chris Broussard.

"But don't make it sound like you traded me to make the team better. I chuckled when I heard that."

Tyson probably would have chuckled had he read this post, written before the deal to Oklahoma City was rescinded due to Chandler's failed physical. In it, I mention the changing economic landscape for the NBA, but also point out how the trade would have likely helped the Hornets in the short term, even if Chandler came back relatively healthy.

Trading one B+ player for two B- minus players — and let's be honest, Wilcox and Smith can play, despite their limited minutes — on a team as thin as New Orleans? That was a damn good deal. And when it was rescinded, because everyone knows Tyson's name, it was hailed as one of the great "WHEW!" moments for the Hornets. As if they had saved themselves from some form of NBA hari-kari.

Without actually doing any research, of course. Without realizing that Chris Wilcox's per-minute production was about the same as Tyson Chandler's this season, and that Joe Smith's was actually better (much better after he moved onto a better team in Cleveland). And that you could sustain that production over about 60 combined minutes, even with David West in the flow, where Tyson tops out at about 32 minutes a game (23.5 in the playoffs).

And Joe Smith? In the playoffs, 10.8 points, 5.5 rebounds, one turnover in four games. About 20 minutes per game.

Tyson? 3.8 points, 5.3 rebounds, eight turnovers in 23.5 minutes per game. Ouch. And lousy defense.

So who's bumming that the trade was rescinded? The team that missed out on better production and eventual salary relief? That's who I'd go with.

All of which brings me back to the point about Byron Scott. Sure, they may have quit on him. But Peja Stojakovic isn't thinking about how much he can't stand his coach when he airballs an open three-pointer from the 22-foot corner. And he's not questioning Scott's rotations when he hits back iron on another open three-pointer a few possessions later. Scott makes some curious choices to say the least, but if anyone's rotation should be questioned, it's Peja's.

David West isn't making fun of Scott's mustache when he whiffs on yet another defensive rotation. Chris Paul isn't yelling "dammit, Byron!" every time he tries to raise up over three defenders after having broken a double-team after a pick and roll, before driving into heavy traffic around the basket.

And Rasual Butler isn't dribbling wildly to the left corner to hoist up a contested fallaway 20-footer because he's fallen out of favor with his coach. He may have fallen out of favor with his basketball IQ, but that's assuming it curried any favor with Rasual to begin with.

They may have given up on Byron, fine. But the real problem is that this is a crummy, crummy roster beyond CP3 and West. And West killed his team yesterday, despite leading it in scoring.

That falls on Hornets GM Jeff Bower, and the team's owner, George Shinn. Shinn spends cash nowadays, but he's in the NBA's toughest market, and he's the only NBA owner who doesn't have an actual business outside of being an NBA owner. Not the easiest jumping off point.

And though Bower did well to put together a playoff team, he killed his squad's chances at sustaining its station in the West — where you have to improve in the offseason just to repeat your record from the year before — by wasting all sorts of money on James Posey.

You heard it last night, Rick Kamla talking about how Posey "hits all the big shots when they need him to." The guy's reputation, I'm sorry, but this is madness. Aren't shots made in the second quarter of a playoff game "big shots" as well? And what point is having a guy with two rings to hit an open three-pointer in the corner (with all the attention on the stars) late in the fourth quarter if your team is down 21 points to start the second period?

Nothing against Posey. He's one of the hardest workers in this league, and that's not reputation. I've seen it. But heading into the 2008 offseason we knew the Hornets badly needed depth at the center and guard positions, and Bower spent $25 million spread out over four years to purchase the rights to ... a small forward.

Now, it's late April, the Hornets are in the playoffs, Posey just contributed his 12 points, seven rebounds, three steals, and four turnovers in 22 solid minutes off the bench and ... the Hornets lost by 58.

Mainly because they badly, badly need help on the interior, and in the backcourt. That hasn't changed, and Posey did nothing to help, because he's a bleedin' small forward, and because he's just one man. They needed several players, they spent all their cash on one player, and this is the result. Out in the first round. In a likely rout.

So, pile on Scott. He probably deserves it. Yes, it's a bit much to ask him to get his team to replicate the smoke-and-mirrors act on defense that we saw in 2007-08 (7th in defensive efficiency) without a healthy Tyson Chandler, or to get the offense to stay in the top five as it was last year with Peja falling off so badly and Jannero Pargo wearing a suit made out of fine sable. That said, he's a part of the problem. As Woj noted, he doesn't develop players, and he often doesn't inspire them. 

But the biggest problem, make no mistake, is the fact that he has to play Sean Marks in the first quarter of an NBA playoff game. The problem is that people like Rasual Butler have to be counted on for anything more than seven or eight minutes per game. The problem is that Antonio Daniels has to be counted on in any significant way at his age, and that Devin Brown — a player who doesn't dribble well for a small forward — entered the season as New Orleans' backup point guard.

The drop off on this team between its star, and his helpers, is significant, and I've never seen anything like it. When you consider just how much David West's life is made easier by Paul's passes, this team doesn't even compare to the mess that surrounded Kobe Bryant following Shaquille O'Neal's departure, or what LeBron James had to work with before this season. It comes close, but those teams didn't have Sean Marks in their rotation. One through 12, Paul has suffered the most.

In a game where the players matter, no amount of coaching or superstar play could do anything with this lot. Consider that, when doling out the blame.

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  1. DICK SMOTHERS
    1. Posted by DICK SMOTHERS Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:29 am EDT

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    Daaaaang. hornets got mopped.
  2. Colorado Kobe aka The All-Mighty Ball Hogg MEssiah
    2. Posted by Colorado Kobe aka The All-Mighty Ball Hogg MEssiah Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    Byron Scott shouldve sutied up or at least asked some fans or the mascot to play... there's no way they couldve done worse
  3. Rise With Us
    3. Posted by Rise With Us Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:51 am EDT

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    Yeah, that was by far one of the worst games I've ever seen. I agree with ALL MIGHTY. Get in there Byron, help your team out.
    Maybe once a team goes down by 40 the NBA should allow that team a 6th player on the floor or something. lol
  4. TheTruth
    4. Posted by TheTruth Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:55 am EDT

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    Losing that bad at home in a must-win game is inexcusable. Yes, the Hornets were over-rated and I thought the Hornets would lose this series, but not like that. This team obviously revolves around Paul and when he plays bad, it's going to reflect on the whole team.
  5. Leander P
    5. Posted by Leander P Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:56 am EDT

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    it's the Thunder's doctors falt, if they didn't fail Tyson Chandler in that exam, NO would not fall this hard.
  6. Leander P
    6. Posted by Leander P Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:57 am EDT

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    ***fault
  7. Anton
    7. Posted by Anton Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:13 pm EDT

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    I wonder if Tyson Chandler is pondering "The OKC Thunder are looking mighty good right now."
  8. Travis
    8. Posted by Travis Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:14 pm EDT

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    Right on point, KD. What an awful group. I felt bad for CP when that Chandler trade was rescinded. I'll take Wilcox and Smith over Chandler any day.
  9. BH
    9. Posted by BH Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:17 pm EDT

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    Boom... hornets got thumped HARD. Can't disagree much that CP3 is everything to that team. The Nuggs could have rolled out Sonny Weems last night and still won by 40.
  10. DMAN
    10. Posted by DMAN Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:23 pm EDT

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    Could it be that the Finals MVP Chancey Billups is just vastly better than CP3?
    Cause besides Chancey and Carmelo, the nuggets are pretty pathetic. Without trading Marcus Camby, the Nugget would be a super power...
  11. fishonmyplane
    11. Posted by fishonmyplane Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:29 pm EDT

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    The Chandler trade was terrible. His production was down this year because of injuries, that's all. He'll recover by next year. If you think the trade made any sense, you're obviously not looking at the positions of the players. Trading your starting center for two power forwards to back up David West, when you even said yourself that the team desperately needs help at the center position? How does that make any sense? And don't even try to argue that Joe Smith or Wilcox can play center, because that's simply ridiculous. That trade would've made the Hornets the worst defensive team in the league.
    But, I agree with the points about Scott. He's done a terrible job this year, and he doesn't develop young players at all. With Chandler's injuries, he should have given Hilton Armstrong a lot more playing time this year. Still, I don't think any coach would have given the Hornets a shot at winning this series. The team is too banged up and they have no depth. I just hope they can build a better team around CP3, the same way that the Cavs have built one around Lebron.
  12. Jay M
    12. Posted by Jay M Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:30 pm EDT

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    Pro Hoops is gross. the only thing it has going for itself is King James.
  13. give_and_go
    13. Posted by give_and_go Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:41 pm EDT

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    I agree that the Hornets roster is pretty weak. But I'm going to take it one step further and suggest that David West should be moved from the good to the bad. CP3's addition to the team helped bump West's numbers immensely. Without Paul, West just isn't very good. Byron Scott is working wonders with what he's got, just like he did in New Jersey. He does a good job at making shmucks look like contenders.
    As for the series, Chauncy and Paul nearly cancel each other out, talent wise. When that happens, it's up to the rest of the guys to step up. And that's just not gonna happen here.
  14. Anton
    14. Posted by Anton Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:45 pm EDT

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    fishonmyplane - they were trying to trade Chandler for cap space.
  15. cattlehead
    15. Posted by cattlehead Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:59 pm EDT

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    As a huge Hornets fan who is completely biased towards his favorite team...
    ...I completely agree.
    Tyson Chandler is one of the most athletic guys in the NBA. To rely on alley-oops for points makes no sense. He needs to develop his post game, which is completely absent.
    Pargo's departure was a huge ouch. And every time Antonio Daniels replaces Paul on the court, the Hornets falter.
    Peja Stojakovic has lost his touch. Please, if any team happens to be interested somehow, get rid of him and Chandler. And just dump the entire bench.
    But Jeff Bower won't listen to me.
  16. icyme
    16. Posted by icyme Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:59 pm EDT

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    hey this is not a lakers site,,,,Anyway whats up cpwhere are you....MR SMOOTH is here......
  17. the evil genius
    17. Posted by the evil genius Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:00 pm EDT

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    yo that game reminded me of the good old days when ewing and oakley and starks wood just lay the wood on people that tried to go up in the paint. or they wood concentrate on pulverizin the mess out of a player.
  18. BH
    18. Posted by BH Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:00 pm EDT

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    @DMAN: Yes, Billups is taking the young man to school nearly every quarter.
    I can't agree with the rest though. Nene and Birdman both made up for the Camby trade and then some. JR Smith was a sixth man award contender, and even Linas Kleiza can get into a groove once in a while. I wouldn't say they're pathetic, the bench isn't the best in the league, but it's pretty darn good, and the starting five are a solid group.
  19. mtnman
    19. Posted by mtnman Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:02 pm EDT

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    Wow - seriously? The Nuggets couldn't have had ANYTHING to do with how bad the Hornets played....could they. Nope, it was all the Hornets' fault that CP3 was held to 4 points. The Denver D had nothing to do with this. The Denver O had nothing to do with this. Just keep bagging on the Hornets...
    I mean, the Hornets did win 49 games this year didn't they? I'm happy to have the Nugs fly under the radar, all the way to the finals, but come on folks - ***NO*** credit?
  20. the evil genius
    20. Posted by the evil genius Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:15 pm EDT

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    was that birdman reference made about the ex-knick balkman? pretty funny if it was. i agree with #19 the rich creamies look like a very strong team and they'll probably play the lakers with a chance to represent the west. i mean the robbery that they pulled on joe dumars is phenomemal. i think they about to scrap heap the pistons
  21. Dios N
    21. Posted by Dios N Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:41 pm EDT

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    This article is a big contradiction to your recap of the Utah-LA series. In the recap you wrote Jerry Sloan is responsible for his millionaires playing motivated, but for the Hornets you say don't blame the coach, the team sucks. Which is it?
  22. asv
    22. Posted by asv Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:43 pm EDT

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    Sam Mitchell!
  23. Evan B
    23. Posted by Evan B Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:03 pm EDT

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    A few days ago, I saw a post where Kobe was asked if he felt 'bad' for Deron Williams (and his supporting cast, who was playing poorly at the time),and in some form and fashion, he replied with "No, Deron's team doesn't start Smush Parker". He should've send his condolences to CP3 in the next breath, because CP3's cast is almost as bad...
  24. broseph9000
    24. Posted by broseph9000 Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:17 pm EDT

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    I was at that horror show.
    Yes, the bench is horrible. I think Scott should be fired as well, because he is the most stubborn person on the planet.
  25. JohnA
    25. Posted by JohnA Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:28 pm EDT

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    CP3 is a great point guard but Jones got in his head early on in the series. West is a great forward but K-Mart's defense is tops in the league. Chandler... well, he's injured, and even before that was not a top-tier center.
    Is there a team that has a better bench than Denver? They lead the league in assists and blocks off the bench, they're in the top 5 in points off the bench (and the Mavs are cheating by calling Jason Terry a sixth man when he comes in at the 3-minute mark and plays starter minutes), and anyone who has watched Denver games this season can feel the spark when Birdman and JR sub in.
    You'll see it again in the next series. K-Mart shutting down Dirk and then Jones and Chauncey ball-hawking Kidd. In fact, you might see JR starting so that Jones covers Barrea or Terry when they sub in. God help the Nuggs if JR is asked to cover Terry....

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