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So, yesterday, I sat down to write a long post that detailed the trading options of the New Jersey Nets, who are rumored to be trying to initiate a long-overdue rebuilding process, and apparently interested in trading Jason Kidd.

Kidd's agent, Jeff Schwartz, is fresh off issuing New Jersey's front office a trade demand, and though Kidd's age (35 in March) and contract (19.7 million bucks this season, 21.3 million the next) make him a tough sell, one would think that his skills would be enough to encourage a team to make a deal for the All-Star.

One would think.

Then I started crunching the numbers. I started working on a list of teams that would be willing to give up quite a bit for Kidd, teams that think they're a hard-charging point man away from winning the championship, and started looking around the NBA for assets (expiring contracts, young talent) that New Jersey would want to accrue in return. I started to put together possible deals.

I'm still trying to put together possible deals.

Is any deal possible?

Let's look at the sorts of teams that would want to take Kidd on. The Dallas Mavericks might lose Devin Harris to what looked like (last night, at least) a high ankle sprain, and they've been rumored to be after Kidd for a while. The Denver Nuggets have no issues paying the luxury tax, apparently, and have a gaping hole at point guard that Anthony Carter (in spite of his best, and downright surprising, efforts) can't fill. The Lakers would still like him.

The Celtics would kill for him, the Magic might want a turn, the Rockets would be willing, as would the Cavaliers, and Trail Blazers.

The Nets, on the other hand, finally appear to be cognizant of their situation. They'd likely ask for no more than expiring contracts, some lower-rung draft picks, a talented if-not lottery-level youngster still on his rookie contract, and the ability to send Jason Collins' contract somewhere else. It isn't a fair return, but this is the NBA, the salary cap makes even deals tough to pull off, and that's how it works.

Then the issues set in. There aren't many expiring contracts of any real value floating around. The Miami Heat have one in Jason Williams, and the Los Angeles Lakers will see Kwame Brown's come off the books, but the biggest expiring contracts out there that the Nets would covet come in the form of players who are already bought-out. Uh oh.

The Lakers, even with Andrew Bynum out, would seem amenable to shipping Brown out to help facilitate a trade that brought them something nice back, but it makes precious little sense for them to aid the Nuggets, Mavericks or even the Cleveland Cavaliers in getting a player in Kidd to push them over the top.

Making things more complicated are the tradeable (we think) contracts that the Nets won't want. The Lakers could send Lamar Odom and Kwame to New Jersey in a half-second for Kidd, but why would the Nets want to rebuild with Odom's contract on the books? Odom's in his ostensible prime, he's not some young stud who can develop on a rebuilding team, and his contract expires the same year as Kidd's.

In Dallas, the Mavs might be open to sending Devin Harris, Jason Terry and parts to New Jersey, though even I think that's sort of a stretch (Jose Barea is a championship-level backup point guard?), but why would the Nets want Terry's contract on the books? He's worth the money, but not to a rebuilding team.

And if you're Mavs GM Donn Nelson, don't you believe in the championship aspirations of this roster as presently constructed? No point in giving up Harris (or, as some have suggested, Josh Howard) for a chance at Kidd.

Even if Howard's name came up (which, I have to re-iterate, Dallas would want nothing to do with), why would New Jersey want to take him on? This guy is going to be 28 in April. He's in his prime. By the time any rebuilding effort started to bear fruit, he'd be 31. By the time you could put a championship team around him, he'd be 33. The same goes for Denver's Nene Hilario, who could be sent to the Nets with Eduardo Najera and J.R. Smith, but why would New Jersey want to rebuild with Nene's eight-figure contract on the roster?

Denver's an interesting cog because they could send Nene to a third team in any swap to help round-out salaries, but would they want to be the team that sends a cancer patient to, say, Cleveland?

In fact, the one trade that seemed to work out best for all sides would have the Cavs sending a series of lower-rung or expiring contracts to New Jersey (Cedric Simmons, Dwayne Jones, Ira Newble, Devin Brown) with Nene heading to Cleveland, Denver losing J.R. Smith and Eduardo Najera to gain Kidd. But would Denver ship Nene in the midst of his recovery?

Atlanta could send a whole batch of expiring contracts to New Jersey, but they've been loathe to make any deals while their ownership situation gets figured out; and although Kidd (rightfully) has no say in where he'd end up, he'd pitch a bitch in Atlanta, even for a Hawks team that is better than his current Nets squad. And the Hawks idea brings up another issue: roster space.

Teams can't trade for more players than they have roster spots available for, so for any big deal to happen that would send six players New Jersey's way, they'd have to cut a few guys. Possible movable contracts like Jamaal Magliore and Malik Allen would have to be cut, and rendered untradeable, which would stink for the Nets.

And that's it. There's no magic conduit to not only put Kidd on a contender, but to get him off the team in the first place. Nets personnel Number Two Kiki Vandeweghe did a fine job unloading undesirable contracts while breaking up the remains of Dan Issel's mess in Denver, so he has some experience, but there aren't as many obvious options this time around.

This doesn't mean a deal can't get done, or that the Nets would prefer to buy the man out.

What it does mean, however, is that whichever deal goes down between now and the February 21st trading deadline will likely involve someone making a bad move. Taking on a contract they don't need, aiding another rival, giving up too much ... something like that. It won't be a win-win.

You're more than welcome to offer your (cap-legal, I would ask) suggestions in the comments section, but prepare for a lot of, "why would (insert team name) do that deal?" responses. It won't be an easy break.

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  1. egglestonus
    1. Posted by egglestonus Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    Who needs Kidd's old legs. The Lake shows got Fish back and lovin it. Soon as the big men come back it's gonna be title town in L.A. again
  2. Mathias
    2. Posted by Mathias Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    this (fairly obvious ) indiana trade works doesnt it?kidd and collinsfortinsley and jermaine onealboth teams want to dump their players, and both are desperate enough to gamble on the others. plus salaries match perfectly - almost too perfectly, if you know what i mean???
  3. NativeSun
    3. Posted by NativeSun Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:44 pm EDT

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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2990~429~1985~831~1731&teams=25~25~17~17~17&te=&cash=
    this is my deal. does it make sense? barely.
    kidd and boone to the sonics.
    ridnour, zoolander (wally), and wilcox to the nets.
    the sonics get a leader to help their rookies. they also get another young big to help out up front.
    the nets don't get any expiring deals, but they get another pg, a bench scorer, and a good young(ish) pf who can play in wilcox.
    the nets can *rebuild* around marcus williams, sean williams, carter, jefferson and wilcox. this is about as good as it gets, i fear.
  4. nja700
    4. Posted by nja700 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    I love looking at people's creations in the ESPN trade machine. It always ends up with 2 teams getting sweet deals and some small-market team giving up picks and quality young players fo Ricky Davis or something. Then somebody else will say "Yeah, this deal works for everyone" and everyone ends up dumber as a result.
  5. helloollehhello
    5. Posted by helloollehhello Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    you were close right off the bat. send kwame as the expiring contract, offer up javaris crittendon as the young stud and maybe vlad rad to make up the $$ difference. the lakers need the sharing and calming influence of j kidd, kobe loves playing with him and d fish can play the 2 behind kobe with farmar backing up kidd. thats a pretty good team when bynum comes back. who on the opposing team could get a rebound with kidd, kobe, odom, turiaf and bynum on the floor? pretty good defense there also. the lakers would then have sasha, fisher and farmar for instant offense or speed when necessary. it would leave us a little shallow in the front court, but what else is new?
  6. KD
    6. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Kwame, JC, and Vlad ... you'd still need about four million dollars worth of salary to make up Kidd's salary.
    And why would the Nets want to be paying Vlad Rad until 2011?
  7. Ben
    7. Posted by Ben Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    Here's just something to throw out there: has Miami given up on this season yet? If not, they could send Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, Smush Parker and Dorrell Wright to NJN for Kidd. NJN gets a good young player in Wright and everyone's contracts are expiring as well. Miami extends its window a bit more. Of course, I'm not convinced Kidd/Wade works so well together, but who knows.
    That's really the only thing I could come up with though - you're dead on, KD. There's just nothing else out there.
  8. helloollehhello
    8. Posted by helloollehhello Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    KD- I think there is leeway on the salary within a certain %. It seems to work on the trade machine. The Nets could also give cash considerations of about $3.7M back to the Lakers. As far as Vlad, it's not a huge contract, and the Lakers are taking a 35 year old at $19M/yr. The Nets don't hold all the cards here, J Kidd wants a trade and they want to get rid of him so they will have to eat a little bit to make it happen. New Jersey can't just walk away clean after Kwame's contract ends with that much cap space clearance and J Crit to show for it. If they did it would be genius. Vlad is a small price to pay, or they could move him to a third team. It's good for everyone.
  9. HC
    9. Posted by HC Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    Blazers? Really? I don't have my finger on the pulse of the GM chatter, but that sounds like a bad idea for Portland. Chemistry, time frame, and flexibility would be major issues.
  10. KD
    10. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    That would be interesting. Riley is delusional enough to think that this could put him back on top.
  11. KD
    11. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    The Blazers are targeting 2009 as the big cap-clearing summer, and his presence wouldn't change that.
  12. nja700
    12. Posted by nja700 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    I can only see the Nets getting a (relatively) worse deal for Kidd than the T-Wolves got for KG. You never know, though. There could be a lot of wheelin' and dealin' around that could make a decent trade plausible. At the worst, get a few draft picks and cap space. They're obviously never gonna contend with the "Big 3".
  13. mapko
    13. Posted by mapko Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:08 pm EDT

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    Lamar Odom
    Kwame Brown
    Jordan Farmer
    1st round pick in 2008
    --for--
    Jason Kidd
    Jason Collins
  14. MFP
    14. Posted by MFP Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    jason kidd to sacramento for mike bibby mikki moore and cash?
  15. helloollehhello
    15. Posted by helloollehhello Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    mapko- LO would be a great 4th option behind Kidd, Kobe and Bynum, and Farmar is nails.. That would be the worst trade since the Caron for Kwame fiasco.. The Lakers don't have to give all that up for a 35 YO making 19Mil a year.
  16. Josh S
    16. Posted by Josh S Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    I've heard rumors of the Cavs sending Hughes to Portland for Jack and another player...
    how about Hughes to Portland, Jack and Gooden (with expiring contracts) to New Jersey, Kidd to Cleveland.
  17. pokolo
    17. Posted by pokolo Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    if J-Kidd gets traded, which i hope he does, i hope he stays in the East, since the West already has so many All Star guards. I would love to see him make Orlando, Cleveland or Atlanta into a legit contender.
  18. pokolo
    18. Posted by pokolo Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    if j-kidd gets traded, which i hope he does, i hope he stays in the east, since the west already has so many all star guards. i would love to see him make orlando, cleveland or atlanta into a legit contender.
  19. eat_her_beaver
    19. Posted by eat_her_beaver Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    Kidd sucks and always did suck!
  20. KD
    20. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Vlad Rad is the problem. Check Brian Cook's per-minute stats, and check Vlad Rad's ... you don't think of them as similar players, but they're exactly the same. Why would Orlando take Vladi on?
  21. Erik
    21. Posted by Erik Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    How bout this:
    NJ sends Kidd to Portland, Portland sends back Raef Lafrentz, Martell Webster, Sergio Rodriguez, and 2 1st round picks.
    This gives Portland a top 5 PG, along with the veteran leadership they desperately need, and NJ gets back 2 nice young players, 2 picks, and Raefs contract (12 mil) off the books at the end of next season
  22. Erik
    22. Posted by Erik Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    How bout this:
    NJ sends Kidd to Portland, Portland sends back Raef Lafrentz, Martell Webster, Sergio Rodriguez, and 2 1st round picks.
    This gives Portland a top 5 PG, along with the veteran leadership they desperately need, and NJ gets back 2 nice young players, 2 picks, and Raefs contract (12 mil) off the books at the end of next season
  23. Nugfan
    23. Posted by Nugfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:18 pm EDT

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    Kidd made his bed. Let him sleep in it. He had the chance to go to San Antonio a couple years ago. He should have taken it. Instead he chose the money and the Nets. .
  24. Vaytrain Williams
    24. Posted by Vaytrain Williams Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=987~429~61~575~1726&teams=23~23~17~17~17&te=&cash=17:23
    Kidd and Collins
    -----for-------------
    Bibby, Moore, and Salmons

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