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Through the years, I've taken in a bit of stick for seemingly finding no joy, light, or point to whatever transactions passed through the wire. Repeatedly calling deals that others saw as either "win-win" or "win-lose" as "lose-lose, suckers!" over and over again

Sorry for that, but that's what a strong sense of history tends to do to an attitude.

This time around? You're in luck, cats and kittens, because I do have to go in the opposite direction with this breakdown. Not unlike the cheerful (for me) tone that greeted the first two Milwaukee-based posts on the subject.

This is a good deal for the Wizards, and Timberwolves. Minnesota gets the fifth pick in tomorrow's Draft, along with Etan Thomas(notes), Oleksiy Pecherov(notes), and Darius Songaila(notes). Washington gets Mike Miller(notes) and Randy Foye(notes). Both teams will eventual get it wrong, that's something you can bank on. But for now, you cannot knock on things.

The Timberwolves have a new GM who wants nothing to do with what Kevin McHale brought on board. And Kevin McHale brought a ton of shoot-first "point guards" on board. Randy Foye can play, but he's also a limited player who seemed to do his best work last season at shooting guard, always going right.

And Mike Miller? Seemingly frustrated with being sent to the Timberwolves ("28 teams are better than the Grizzlies, they find the one team that's worse to trade me to?"), Miller spent the whole of 2008-09, and I don't toss this out there lightly, more or less throwing games.

The guy refused to shoot. All the transition threes (at least a 40 percent proposition, mind you; no chucking ‘ere) that dotted his time in Tennessee were lost in favor of extra and entry passes that plain were not needed. And it became a running joke between the press that were actually paying attention. Britt Robson, Steve Aschburner, and myself. Nobody else seemed to comment on it, because nobody else was watching, and nobody else seemed to care. You can't blame them for that.

Either way, these are two players that nobody in Minnesota will miss, and for good reason. Giving up on them ... worth it for the fifth pick and a good year having to pay Washington's retreads? That's another story. The same story, but another story. And one I don't think Minnesota should care about.

Listen, this team was thin, and set to have to extend Miller and/or Foye's contracts. And these were Kevin McHale acquisitions. Why act all sentimental with this lot?

Could you have gotten something with more name recognition from Miller's sizable expiring deal? Sure. Is Marcus Camby(notes) a good thing for your rebuilding team? Hell no. Fifth pick, take it. It might be an awful Draft. It might be akin to a 15th pick in most other Drafts. Doesn't matter. You had no use for Miller and Foye, anyway. Fifth and sixth picks in the Draft, while rebuilding. That works.

Washington? You just put off rebuilding. You just cashed in a year's worth of misery for, possibly, only a year's worth of Mike Miller and Randy Foye. You're deluding yourselves thinking that this is a championship (or, even with everyone healthy, a 50-win) core. I should hate this move. But, for some reason, I don't.

Washington is in one of those hardly-rare positions where, though they badly (badly, badly, badly) need to rebuild, isn't going to blow things up. They're refusing reality. And if you're going to refuse reality, well, might as well have some fun with it. Might as well try to average 110 a game.

Trade rumors dogged Washington's lottery selection from the beginning. And rightfully so. But don't let them tell you that this payoff isn't worth a lottery pick.

The Wizards can talk all they want about how they weren't going to trade Antawn Jamison(notes), and they'd be correct in that regard. Know why? It's because nobody wants Antawn Jamison. Everyone likes Antawn Jamison, he scores well and rebound sometimes and does nothing else, and isn't worth the contract extension Washington gave him last year. No team was biting for that contract, for this player.

Caron Butler(notes)? Likely sought after. Also, in his prime. This is it. 2009-10, Caron's year. This isn't a young stud you can build around.

Gilbert Arenas(notes) ... did we ever figure out what was wrong with his knee? Microfracture? Plenty of great players have come back from that sort of surgery, playing at an All-Star level, but how many depend on a series of crossovers and 25-footers to make their living?

So Washington piled it all together, and pulled in a couple of proven NBA scorers (provided, of course, Miller deigns to shoot) for a fifth pick that likely would have yielded the Wizards some sort of raw 19-year old shooting guard in a point guard's body. Instead of taking a risk on that, they acquired a proven shooting guard in a point guard's body, and a near-All-Star level shooting guard that fancies himself a tall point guard.

While dumping salary. While giving Flip Saunders, as close to an offensive guru as we have in this league, another batch of mid-range shooters for his offense, which is predicated around mid-range shooters.

Will Washington win a championship? Hell no. Are they even a lock for the playoffs? With this history of injuries? No. No way. Are they staving off a proper rebuilding that desperately needs to take place? Yes.

So it goes. It's not our money, and these are the pathetic straits the Wizards decided to dive into after they extended both Arenas and Jamison last year. Might as well make the best of it. And picking up two proven NBA scorers for a lottery pick in a crap draft, while easing the salary structure? That's a win.

And Minnesota, dumping the remnants of an era that should serve as embarrassing and little else? Go, team, go.

Neither team shook up the world with this deal, but they did make their side better. Much better. Good to see it.

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  1. jOren
    1. Posted by jOren Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:38 am EDT

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    arenas on SG?
  2. Zeb C
    2. Posted by Zeb C Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:39 am EDT

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    Going to be interesting come NBA Draft night! Who will the Wolves pick with there 4 1st round draft picks! they could also pretty much do anything. Trade the picks and get a a big guy. I hear they might be sending Kevin Love and some of the draft picks to PHX. for Amare. Now that would sure fill some seats up in the Target Center, Minnesota.
    Looking forward to the Draft!
    Good luck to everybody and there teams!
  3. China
    3. Posted by China Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:39 am EDT

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    FIRST!!!!!
    Washington Wins this trade fo sho, now they too stacked with talent. They're gonna be the #1 offensive team in the league next year.
  4. Betterbusinessbooks
    4. Posted by Betterbusinessbooks Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:44 am EDT

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    Well, I can say that they've loaded their back-court with some talent. The problem is, the Wizard's issues are mainly with their front court players, Rebounding, low post play, blocking shots, and having a defensive presence. This is made more important if ur going to have Antwan at ur 4, because he doesn't provide any of that. I agree, they'll make the playoffs, but they aren't making any champoinship moves. Us Washington Fans will suffer yet another year with a mediocre to pretty good team, however there can't be no championship aspirations. O well, maybe Washington sports will get something right in the next 10 years or so......
  5. hans k
    5. Posted by hans k Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:47 am EDT

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    It would have been nice to see Curry to DC with the 5th pick. But getting Foye and Miller instead will do, maybe. Dont know, the Wizards think they're a good team, that their 3 coreplayers are with the best in the league and that they are a view shots away of taking the crown Lebron and the Cavs have... Big change the coming season will be 'Could have, should', like the previous 10..
  6. Obi Wan Catnobi
    6. Posted by Obi Wan Catnobi Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:07 am EDT

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    I'm guessing PHX and WAS will talk about swapping Caron Butler and Javale McGee for Amare.
    I don't think MIN has any interest in moving Love for Amare because: (a) MIN is not ready to contend this year; and (b) no way Amare signs an extension in MIN after he opts out of his contract at the end of the year. so, that would just be silly for MIN.
    My guess on who MIN drafts at 5/6 is Tyreke Evans and one of Rubio/Curry (Rubio if he's there; otherwise, Curry). Now, if the first 4 picks are Griffin/Thabeet/Harden/Evans, I'm not sure who the second player will be because it probably wouldn't make sense to draft 2 PGS, and they don't need a third PF (Jordan Hill).
  7. Chris M (2009 NBA CHAMPION LAKERS!)
    7. Posted by Chris M (2009 NBA CHAMPION LAKERS!) Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:21 am EDT

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    This was a stupid trade by the Wiz and the T-pups. It makes no sense! Who's going to be Minny's new PG or SG? The rebuilding continues in Minny! LOL! Why did the Wiz trade bigs for smalls? They already have Butler, Jamison, and Arenas. Unless they are going to move a couple of those players, I don't see the point of bringing in new players that play their position. I don't see Foye and Miller being happy and getting enough minutes coming off the bench. WTF?!
  8. lookingforhelp
    8. Posted by lookingforhelp Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:29 am EDT

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    I doubt Rubio will be there. I think Thabeet might. I could see Thabeet and either Evans, Harden, Curry, or possibly Flynn
  9. glenn
    9. Posted by glenn Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:37 am EDT

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    i guess memphis wins because #5 and #6 is better than rubio
  10. Jordo
    10. Posted by Jordo Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:44 am EDT

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    Blache Haywood and Jamison are like the only guys on this team thats over 6'6" now!
  11. poker_punker
    11. Posted by poker_punker Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:54 am EDT

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    KD, I agree with you 99% of the time...this is the other 1%.
    OK, so Foye and Miller had to go...I get that. But wht the hell you're getting for them? The 5th pick?
    Foye is making 3.5M this year, with a nice QO of 4.8M next year (I think that seems right). Miller has an expiring contract of 9.75M. Overpaid. Still, those are almost 13M that a team can have in expiring contracts for...Summer of '10.
    So, basically, the Wolves had traded 13M in expiring contracts, with two guys that, in the right contending team, can be an important part of the rotation (even first/second guy off the bench) for the 5th pick on a really weak draft, a 7.5M expiring contract (Thomas), the rights of Pecherov for a couple of years if they want (if they don't, that's another 1.7M expiring contract) and Songaila.
    You know what's sad? Darius still has a player option for 4.8M in 2010/2011. They are taking IN extra salaries.
    Maybe I missed something, let me know. But I hate the trade. Unless they are really falling for Rubio and manage to give the Grizzlies some package to trade up...
  12. lions, vikings, and bears suck
    12. Posted by lions, vikings, and bears suck Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:08 am EDT

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    #6
    #18
    kevin love
    etan thomas
    for
    amare stoudemire
    and their first round pick
  13. Redskins21
    13. Posted by Redskins21 Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:20 am EDT

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    #10 your so right.. They need a Big guy who can play D and control the boards..Wait wait wait.. They Have Javele Mcgee.. They kid has some potential, and he has the wing span of a school bus.. if he can develop some offense and step his D up.. he could be a thing to watch next season..
  14. Jayson J
    14. Posted by Jayson J Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:38 am EDT

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    I thought the Wolves had fired McHale? This is another Mchale type move. No way you trade Miller and Foye for 4 nobodys and the #5 pick, the #5 pick wont be worth losing them 2 players. Absolutely stupid move. Washington got a hell of a deal.
  15. Tyrone Slothrop
    15. Posted by Tyrone Slothrop Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:40 am EDT

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    Washington fans are actually worried about the depth now that those three bigs are gone? Swing by the DLeague and grab yourself the tallest guy in the gym for league minimum and voila, your "depth" has been brought back. You guys can't really be that enamored of Songaila can you? Not to mention even with no more moves, they probably kept their 4 best bigs (Jamison, Blatche, Haywood, McGee).
    Washington's big mistake was last offseason with those two deals for Gil and Jamison. This fits with those moves just fine. IMO if they could then package a couple of the expiring mid type deals (James, Haywood, Stevenson) for a Kaman, Chandler, or Dalembert type (all are probably available) they have a pretty adequate roster going, although they will be spending ridiculous amounts of money for it.
  16. Tim S
    16. Posted by Tim S Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:52 am EDT

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    This could end up being an interesting deal. Granted they don't fudge up the draft this could work out for the Timberwolves. However, this could be 2-3 years from now. Washington did get a good deal but if Miller does 9.9 PPG then this works out for us. Nicely done on drafting Foye and then dumping him 2 years later. Nice way to try and "cover up" the Roy-Foye deal.
  17. Mr.J
    17. Posted by Mr.J Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:56 am EDT

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    Hmm that Randy Foye for Brandon Roy trade looks real good right now dont it.
  18. Joe P
    18. Posted by Joe P Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:01 pm EDT

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    Wiz don't need more scorers...need to trade this package for a scoring big
  19. Kingpin
    19. Posted by Kingpin Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:15 pm EDT

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    This deal leaves the Wiz LOADED with SG's and nothing in the paint. Foye can play the point but he's really a better fit at the 2. Miller can flat out shoot, but the key is will he play? he didn't really like the T-wolves & you see as a result he posted carer low 9 points per game. the good news is no matter who gets hurt this season (oh & trust me someone will get hurt) Washington will be able to fill those holes. Now the presure is really on Blatche, Mcgee, and Haywood. There is no room for any mistakes with those 3 guys because there is no one to back them up...... The only pick the Wiz have left is the 32nd pick of round 2..... I don't really know what Washington can get from that but hopefully they pick up a big-man who can at least scrap up some boards & block a few shots. For the most part this isn't a bad trade...... could it have been better? YES!! for the 5th pick I think they could've shopped that around a bit more & got a starter, but I guess the problem with the Wiz last season was depth....... Mabye the just fixed that problem. I would've gone for a true point...... Imagine if you have someone who can run the offense & distribute the rock..... dribble, pass, before you shoot...... My pick most like would've been Ty Lawson or Jonnie Flynn. Look at that line-up 1 Lawson or Flynn 2 Areans 3 Butler 4 Jamison 5 Haywood..... bench: 1 James or J. Critt 2 Young 3 Mcguire 4 Blatche 5 Mcgee. Now THAT would be a playoff team! We'll just have to see how this trade goes. I hope the Wizards brass knows what they're doing...... if not they might want to call me in for an interview!
  20. Kyle B
    20. Posted by Kyle B Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:20 pm EDT

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    i dont care what u guys say... now the t-wolves have some options. they can stay with what they have and take 4 first round draftees to build their team around (not a bad idea), or my favorite choice, trade #6 and #18 to the grizzlies for #2, draft thabeet there, and draft curry at #5... start thabeet at center, 2 power forwards with jefferson and love, and curry at point... we jump to a .500 team this year, and become great in a couple
  21. cap'n dick
    21. Posted by cap'n dick Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:25 pm EDT

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    post number twelve, you suck. that would be the dumbest trade in history. 2 picks plus love for amare who won't repeat, WONT stay there, and a mid level talent. youll be fun to watch this year, maybe even get close to 500. but seriously, itll be back to rebuilding in two years. id try to trade the 6 n 18 for the two. mem doesnt have to deal with the pressure of takin/not takin rubio. i know that would be a dumb trade for em to take but they might do it, they have a clipper like quality to them. with the 2 and 5, maybe thabeet and rubio. with a chance to grab a sleeper later on. this draft is so unpredictable that there will be a sleeper somewhere.
  22. Guest
    22. Posted by Guest Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:35 pm EDT

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    I'm in Minnesota and I will miss Randy and Mike and I'm not sure there would be a good reason not to miss them. They actually are good and who cares if Foye only goes to the right, if he's able to score, it's fine with me...
  23. Guest
    23. Posted by Guest Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:36 pm EDT

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    I'm in Minnesota and I will miss Randy and Mike and I'm not sure there would be a good reason not to miss them. They actually are good and who cares if Foye only goes to the right, if he's able to score, it's fine with me...
    The Wolves will probably find another way to mess up their chances in the draft, even though they get two chances.
  24. domonique
    24. Posted by domonique Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:05 pm EDT

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    Considering the fact that this draft sucks, its not a terrible trade for the wizards. I was saying trade the pick for a solid veteran that can shoot, defend and help immediately and they've done that. I was hoping for a Tayshan Prince, but this deal aint terrible either.
  25. lions, vikings, and bears suck
    25. Posted by lions, vikings, and bears suck Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:05 pm EDT

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    #21 you're stupid minnesota is one of the worst teams in the NBA. Rubio isn't worth the #5 and #6 and he doesn't even want to play for the t-wolves. thabeet is a scrub who is going to suck cause he can't do anything except rebound and block. stoudemire is a beast who can be great next to big al giving minni one of the best front courts in the NBA. with the 5th pick minni can draft tyreke evans and you got a pretty decent starting line-up. i'd rather have evans over rubio any day.

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