Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:00 am EDT

There's too much smoke surrounding the
proposed and summarily shot-down Pistons and Celtics deal for the proposal not
to be true.
First off, Adrian Wojnarowski is a trusted source, a connected sort who knows his stuff.
Secondly, the deal in question (Boston's Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) for Detroit's Rodney Stuckey(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes), and Rip Hamilton) involves too many players who, if they haven't already been mentioned in a series of trade rumors before, should be on the block.
The deal isn't going down, it should be noted. Woj even pointed out that C's and Pistons bosses Danny Ainge and Joe Dumars didn't even take to the phones to discuss it. A Celtics underling called to propose it, with Ainge's blessing, and a Pistons colleague turned it down, with Dumars' blessing.
And, bless Joe Dumars, but what the hell is he thinking?
For 2009-10, yes, this could be a big deal for the Celtics. Hamilton could have a bounce-back year, same with Tayshaun Prince, and Rodney Stuckey should improve. Based on sheer depth, alone, Detroit could have handed the hated C's another Eastern Conference championship. Not unlike the way the Celtics possibly handed Detroit the same thing five years ago.
Beyond that? They would have handed Boston an above-average offensive shooting guard with a three-year, $34 million dollar contract. A 29-year old defensive stalwart, already on the decline, who is owed about $21.5 million over the next two years. And Rodney Stuckey, a nice player, possibly a point guard (his assist ratio rivaled that of Shane Battier(notes) and Derek Fisher's(notes) in 2008-09), and definitely a guy looking for a contract extension after next year.
What would Detroit have gotten? Sweet, sweet relief.
Relief (in the form of Ray Allen's expiring contract) from an awful extension Dumars handed to Hamilton last fall. Relief from the second half of a massive two years owed to Prince, a fine player who is probably worth half of what he's owed. And a huge upgrade from Stuckey to Rondo, even if Rondo is looking for a contract extension this summer, as opposed to next.
Best? Assuming the Pistons submit to a rebuilding process, no easy decision, this would ensure that Detroit had, possibly, around $37 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 before Rondo's extension takes hold. That's including a pair of first round contracts to take to both this summer and next, and with a conservative estimate regarding the NBA's payroll structure for semi-famous offseason.
This is a direction you have to head toward. You're rebuilding. Deal with it. Deal, aware of it.
I'm sorry, but you can only blame Allen Iverson(notes) and Rasheed Wallace(notes) for so much. The Pistons, clearly, aren't doing anything with Hamilton (aged 31) and Prince right now, and as good as Stuckey can be, his career arc doesn't exactly scream "All-Star!" to these eyes.
Let's say the Pistons kept the triptych, and watched as the best-case scenario took hold. Ben Gordon(notes), possibly, and Carlos Boozer(notes). Add a solid draft pick taken just outside the lottery, and where does this leave you? A championship? With Prince fading and Hamilton having already started his decline? With Boozer and Gordon tossing up jumpers and Stuckey still fitfully trying to balance his scoring and distribution instincts?
Does that really sound like a championship core? No? Well, that's your team, Pistons fans, if Dumars decides to spend his money in 2009. That's a team that could still be under the salary cap, somewhat, in the summer of 2010. But it would be under the cap with 11 players on the roster, including first round selections in 2009 and 2010, and several slots to fill in order to boast a sound rotation (unless you were banking on Walter Sharpe(notes) turning things around).
There are various permutations that could result in Chris Bosh(notes) becoming a Piston if Detroit only signs one big free agent this summer, and has a piece in place (Stuckey) for a sign and trade, but where does this leave you? Bosh and Gordon and Hamilton and Prince? Yay?
Turning a team around and shooting for the fences depends on a lot of guts, and a whole lot of luck. And while Dumars knew exactly what he was doing, he had a lot of luck on his side when he helped put together a sign-and-trade for Grant Hill(notes) in the summer of 2000, or (finally ensconced as a full-fledged GM) took to a depth-based rebuilding plan during the summer of 2001.
It paid off in 2004, as the Pistons won a championship, but how many things had to go right? Ainge helped, needlessly taking on extra salary in February of 2004 to allow a trade that sent Rasheed Wallace from the Atlanta Hawks to the Pistons to go through. The Pistons then had to work through an injury-riddled Pacers and Lakers team (who downed an injury-riddled Timberwolves team, and a shell-shocked, and arguably better, San Antonio Spurs team) to win the championship.
This also involved taking advantage of a clueless Michael Jordan (then a Wizards GM, looking to make a big splash for 2002-03, and damn the rest) by acquiring Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse(notes). This involved Tayshaun Prince being available late in 2002's first round. This was based on both the Washington Wizards and Orlando Magic undervaluing Ben Wallace(notes). This championship was won when the Pistons struck gold with Chauncey Billups(notes), after five other teams gave up on him.
Make no mistake, Detroit earned that championship. But timing and luck played a huge, huge role. And until you can back into such luck, with that sort of timing, you have to create your own destiny.
And basing your destiny around Hamilton and Prince's declining fortunes, while thinking Stuckey some sort of answer, doesn't really seem like the best plan.
Yes, Dumars is savvy, and has options galore (it doesn't have to signing players outright, he can also trade for a pair of studs) this summer, but grabbing Rondo and Ray Allen's expiring contract for this lot seems like a chance well worth taking.
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On second thought, I agree. "Big" just isn't a strong enough word.
Also, Ray Allen is an "Isiah Thomas-type"? Doesn't make sacrafices for his team? Have you been paying ANY attention ot the Celtics the last two years? Of the three stars on that team, Ray Allen sacraficed the most. I think you're confusing him with Stephon Marbury.
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trading 3 starters (including a developing young combo guard with potential for growth) for a young (good) PG with "maturity issues" and a rapidly declining ray allen would have submarined that consistency in the lineup, mess with chemistry and essentially place detroit on the same path of so many rebuilding teams: They stink and will continue to do so, with only a belief that the extra cap scape and draft picks will be their salvation. teams like that live on potential, but teams that are consistently successful like san antonio (and hopefully detroit in the next years) live on winning.
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And Rodney White.
And had a hand in the Mateen Cleaves draft.
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Honestly, I don't like this trade for either team. Prince gives Boston a good 6th man, but Stuckey isn't the right point guard for that team. Just like how Rondo isn't the right point guard for that Pistons team (they need a better shooter, and someone more patient). They also need to get younger at the 2. In the end, I think everyone is better off that this didn't happen.
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Maybe Dumars thinks its too little return, or maybe he has some other deal in the works, especially if it was rejected so quickly. Who knows, if this deal was real and I was Dumars, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Intriguing proposal... and I kinda hope Dumars would give this a second thought.
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Detroit isn't doing anything with Hamilton and Prince, despite them having an entire offseason to come up with a better trade than this garbage.
Than to say Joe was a fool to give Rip the extension that he did, and Prince the contract that he did, but yet he would be trading for a "top point-guard" who is commanding at least a 10 million dollar contract.
Boston is retarded.
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You CAN'T make that trade....ever! Piston newbies will need guys like Tayshaun and Rip to keep the team's collective dome through the season. Tayshaun had a slow season last year, but played all summer in the Olympics. I think Rip was the team's leading scorer last season. As for Stuckey, I'll take Stuckey over Rondo any day! Stuckey has played lights out since he got to Detroit. Ray Allen is just too old to be effective very much longer. Bad offer for Detroit.
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The only reason why the Celtics would be so willing to make the deal is to cut future salary commitments.
Fortunately, Joe Dumars is an idiot, so Ainge is let off the hook here.
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Additionally, Prince is far from decline as you so coldly mention. He had his best statistical year last year, all while playing point forward, small forward, shooting guard, and power forward. That's the guy who's on the way out? The only two pieces of this team I wouldn't touch would be Prince and Stuckey.
I understand, they get cap space for 2010 if they trade for Allen, but... Lebron will stay in Cle, he would never go to det. Wade will either go to Chicago or stay where he's at. Bosh will be traded before the Feb deadline unless the Raps give him something better than Marion. Then what? Our best bets in that class will be somebody like Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, or Amare who seems to have troubles with Phoenix. All this money, and the top three players won't touch Detroit with a ten foot pole.
Doesn't it make more sense to sure up your team now? Teams are costs cutting, trading players that have no reason to be traded, all so they can be part of a circus that will revolve around 4 or 5 teams. 2009 offseason is the year of the bargain shopping and that's what Joe's going to be doing some work come July 1st, so get your panties out of wad.
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