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Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:35 pm EDT

The Nets send Vince Carter to Orlando


Suddenly, out of nowhere, the Orlando Magic have options. Options! 

The team is about to acquire Vince Carter(notes) and Ryan Andereson for the pittance of Rafer Alston(notes), Courtney Lee(notes), and Tony Battie(notes). Big talent, without giving up too much.

The Nets, Carter's team from 2004-09, wasted no time in dealing VC as soon as GM Rod Thorn was presented with anything more than a cost-cutting alternative. Make no mistake, this is a cost-cutting move for the Nets, but Lee's presence trumps the other proposals that have been sent New Jersey's way since last winter, proposals that offered nothing more than salary relief.

For Orlando, they get a hometown product who is still a formidable contributor (nearly at an All-Star level) even at the age of 32. Sure, nobody has liked Vince Carter since 2002 or so, but that's not the point. The point is that Orlando made a huge upgrade without giving much up. Lee is a fine player, but he'll never be a star, and Carter's all-around offensive game is exactly what the league's 11th-best offense needed.

Best, it gives the team a little leeway in negotiations with free agent Hedo Turkoglu(notes). Though Carter is one of the better passing wing players in the game, he isn't a point forward, but he isn't bad either. And the Magic might not need to keep Turkoglu if he gets a ridiculous offer from a team like the Portland Trail Blazers. Just slide Mickael Pietrus(notes) into the small forward slot, start Carter, and continue apace. Hell, Anderson will be a starting-quality forward in two years.

The move puts Orlando a little under the luxury tax level with Carter's salary added, and without Turkoglu or restricted free agent Marcin Gortat(notes) on board. Signing either to a reasonable deal would put the Magic into the tax bracket, but the team has already patted itself on the back by announcing that it would pay the tax, so you have to figure one or both players will be back.

If they both return, and we estimate that they'll combine to make about 14 million a year in 2009-10 and 2010-11, then the Magic will be well into the tax in 2010-11 as well. Carter's $18.9 million for 2011-12 isn't guaranteed, though, so the Magic could squeeze under the tax threshold (albeit with a limited roster) after declining the final year of his deal. Not unlike what we saw with Sasha Pavlovic(notes) this summer, they'll likely deal Vince. The point being ... this team is going to be shelling out some dough for a long time.

New Jersey? Not so much. ShamSports has Alston's 2009-10 deal as unguaranteed, but I'm not seeing it listed as such anywhere else. Either way, it expires next summer along with Battie's, and even with Lee's contract on the books the Nets are only due to shell out about $17 million in salaries for 2010-11 if they decline the options on Keyon Dooling(notes), Eduardo Najera(notes), Sean Williams(notes), Yi Jianlian(notes), while passing on re-signing Josh Boone(notes). All, save for the last option, are very likely.

Even a conservative estimate would then have the Nets looking at about $45 million in cap space, with Lee, Devin Harris(notes), Brook Lopez(notes), Ryan Anderson(notes), Chris Douglas-Roberts(notes), and whoever they select with the 11th pick in tonight's Draft on the roster. That's a fantastic core that could suddenly fit two or three max deals into its coffers. Yikes.

Great deal, for both sides.

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  1. cooldonnyd
    1. Posted by cooldonnyd Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:45 pm EDT

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    cool, that's gonna be a squad. But orlando still sucks GO C'SSSSSSSSSSSss
  2. Anton
    2. Posted by Anton Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:48 pm EDT

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    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! I am loving this offseason. What about Hedo though? Portland, maybe? Yeah!!!! VC will not help much especially given the Magic's style - which is can he consistently give a high percentage at the perimeter? But he is still good. Do not know if he would be enough though.
  3. IgorD
    3. Posted by IgorD Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:49 pm EDT

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    Carter is not a great offensive player, and I disagree about Lee's potential.
    Also, I just hate Vince Carter in general, so I might be biased.
  4. alvarezart
    4. Posted by alvarezart Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:52 pm EDT

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    Great trade!
  5. Sarah M
    5. Posted by Sarah M Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:56 pm EDT

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    If Carter is their answer for Turkoglu leaving, they are screwed.
    If not, this could make the Magic a better team, assuming Van Gundy can get Carter committed to playing adequate defense. And assuming Carter will accept a limited role on the team. Those are big assumptions.
  6. royale....bitches
    6. Posted by royale....bitches Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:58 pm EDT

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    I like watching Vince but does he have enough between the ears to get ORlando a championship? I'm not so sure about that. Also, Courtney Lee had a terrific rookie season. He made some clutch big shots, his defense is going to be awesome (I watched that dude steal balls and outrebound some big dudes this year....he's going to be good). He's definitely a good shooter. I'm saying that this guy has some great potential. Not sure if this is going to work for Orlando. Plus, this all but gurantees that Hedo will be gone.
  7. AAA
    7. Posted by AAA Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:59 pm EDT

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    great trade for new jersey lol, dont know how is gonna go down in orlando. Carter is known to be streaky. He sometimes goes on cold slumps but they got a good young bench like Pietrus, JJ to fill in his slot as jump shooters. If they can develope JJ and Pietrus to have the drive-n-cut moves then they will be deadly. Otherwise the shaq deal overshadows this as an improvement to orlando because now theres a real matchup. Shaq VS Dwight. I smell rap-off. XD
  8. Big Sven
    8. Posted by Big Sven Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:01 pm EDT

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    Orlando made a big jump up this year from where they were last year. I don't know if it's such a good idea to be making major changes to a lineup that got them all the way to the finals. This trade doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless they really think that Turkoglu will be leaving. VC can still score, but never was great defensively and he's got a lot of miles on those legs.
  9. DMAN
    9. Posted by DMAN Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:03 pm EDT

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    Ha, so what will the Cavs do now? Trade for Tracy Grady?
  10. jezreel b
    10. Posted by jezreel b Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:04 pm EDT

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    Hope Turkoglu is not leaving.
  11. QuAzY
    11. Posted by QuAzY Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:04 pm EDT

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    SVG in panic mode again? Get a PF that might help
  12. BUNSEE
    12. Posted by BUNSEE Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:05 pm EDT

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    I love this offseason, first shaq, then carter
  13. MR.MVP
    13. Posted by MR.MVP Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:08 pm EDT

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    and now to real news... Michael Jackson reportedly rushed to Los Angeles hospital!!!
  14. tall john
    14. Posted by tall john Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:09 pm EDT

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    My opinion... the Magic are stupid bring Carter in. They already have plenty of players demanding the ball (Howard, Lewis, Nelson, Turkoglu)... now they bring in another glorified ball-hog... and he's not that great!
  15. philsrams2107
    15. Posted by philsrams2107 Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 pm EDT

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    I think this is a great trad for both sides. Magic get an eight time all star in Vince Carter a great replace to Hedo Turkoglu who will be a free agent. This makes the defending eastern conference champs the favorites. With a healthy Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis , and the emerging superstar status of the best big man in the world in Dwight Howard they will be back in the finals unless another big move is made. Boston what u going to know..?
    As for NJ, It is a step in the right direction. With getting rid of the contract of Carter and with Alston and Battie contracts coming off the books next year the Nets will save $ 40 million.. Courtney Lee is a solid young player to build with all star Devin Harris and a strong rookie season by Brook Lopez and hopefully Yi can step his game up!!
    This gives the Nets another option with Alston and Battie. Another Blockbuster trade could happen. With the expering contracts of Simmons, Alston, Battie, Hayes, Hassel with two 2010 first round picks, Nets could get another young piece to build on a bright future in NJ.. Actually Brooklyn
  16. mike e
    16. Posted by mike e Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 pm EDT

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    Dwight, Rashard, Hedu, Vince, Jameer, that's a nice starting five...for the Eastern All-stars
  17. QuAzY
    17. Posted by QuAzY Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 pm EDT

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    Cavs will make another deal but not as much as a blockbuster Hedo going to Cavs? Yes / No?
  18. keith m
    18. Posted by keith m Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:16 pm EDT

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    Great trade.......Orlando got a great fast break player that can help Howard inside or score from the arc......open your eyes people and just wait..........by next year, it will be Lebron and Shaq leaving the court without shaking hands!!
  19. Leighton
    19. Posted by Leighton Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:22 pm EDT

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    No Hedo no no no. stay in orlando. please.
  20. Eric E
    20. Posted by Eric E Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:24 pm EDT

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    This deal is just stupid. Carter's salary is ridonkulous, his knees are shot... this will not put Orlando over the top, what would Vince have done against the Lakers? And Courtney Lee is a good young player, a rookie who contributed meaningfully in the playoffs. He'll be great in NJ, but my Magic just went deeper into the luxury tax for a shell of a player.
  21. rightsaidfred
    21. Posted by rightsaidfred Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:25 pm EDT

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    Rucker Park crew says that Jameer Nelson couldn't carry Rafer Alston's jock strap. True that.
  22. Czheck
    22. Posted by Czheck Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:28 pm EDT

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    How come theres no mention that Lebron has already agreed to come to the nets in 2011? lol its not a surprise to me. ever heard of Jay-Z if you know who Jay-Z is then you know lebron is not going to stay with the cavs no matter what happens. Lebrons going to new york alright just not the knicks. BROOKLYN NETS LEBRON JAMES 2011 DONE DEAL
  23. philsrams2107
    23. Posted by philsrams2107 Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:33 pm EDT

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    Harris Lee James YI? Lopez 2011 Brooklyn Nets.. They still need a power foward.. Sign Boozer .. then
    Harris Lee James Boozer Lopez
  24. C-Note
    24. Posted by C-Note Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:40 pm EDT

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    This trade signaled Turk's departure. Next season all you will hear is Lewis, Howard, and Nelson (aka one year wonder, I mean half year wonder) complaining about the number of touches they get per game.

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