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Flip Saunders is gone, and Rasheed Wallace could be next. What they're saying out in the ether about the Pistons' suddenly intriguing off-season...

20 Second Timeout, sans mustache: "Ben Wallace did not fit in with the "liberation offense" that Saunders wanted to run and that certainly played a factor in the Pistons electing to let him sign with the Bulls. Saunders believed that he could increase the team's offensive efficiency by so much that it would compensate for any slippage in defense in the wake of Wallace's departure (perhaps Saunders also thought that the Pistons would still be great defensively even without Wallace). Saunders may run the best baseline out of bounds plays in the league and his offense — run by three All-Stars — may look great in the regular season against weak teams but it annually falls apart for extended stretches in the playoffs against elite teams. Defense wins championships, not 'liberation offense.'"

Detroit Bad Boys: "Of the teams the Pistons have lost to in the Conference Finals, one (Miami in 2006) ended up winning the whole thing, another (Cleveland in 2007) came on the heels of one of the most transcendent performances in NBA playoff history, and the other (Celtics this year, duh) came against a team that was near universally regarded as the league’s best for most of the season. I’m not trying to gloss over his failings, but the guy did his job about as well as anyone could have possibly expected. Dumars’ decree that “there are no sacred cows” is proof that he holds the players just as responsible as the coach. This was a change that needed to be made for reasons of timing (namely, Flip entering the final year of his contract) as much as anything else."

Larry Brown Sports: "Unlike the shock when [the Pistons] fired Rick Carlisle, I would classify this move as a mild surprise. Think about it — the Pistons had peaked at the Conference Finals once again; there’s only so long you can be pleased with that type of performance before changes are made. And that’s how Joe Dumars thinks. Hearing him speak at the press conference made me think: Gee, now there’s a guy who wants to win — that’s the type of guy I want running my franchise. [...] I really appreciate Dumars’ mentality and if you’re a fan, that’s exactly how you should want your GM to think and act. If he gets the feeling something isn’t right, regardless of how good the performance is, you have to make the change. He did it once before with Carlisle, went to LB, and reached the Finals."

Will Brinson, FanHouse: "If the two biggest concerns of Dumars are that a) Flip Saunders did not have the confidence of his team and b) that the Pistons need to keep things in-house, then Curry is a perfect choice, as his leadership abilities and current role satisfy both requirements. Curry have just one year on the bench, but as a former president of the NBA Players Association as well as NBA Vice President of Player Development, the guy knows how to lead. Plus, he bridges the gap between the front office to the current roster: he's one of Dumars' teammates for several years and was a starter during Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince's first year in Detroit in 2002-03, which marked the first of Detroit's six straight trips to the Eastern Conference Finals."

Empty The Bench: "The question still remains: how do you improve a team that won 59 games, advanced to the Conference Finals with relative ease, and matched up extremely well with the Boston Celtics, a team that won 66 games and is a good bet to win the title? It won’t be easy, and there are any number of ways Dumars could choose to go about it: try to move up in this month’s amateur draft, target a big-name superstar in trade, move a few of his high-priced vets and clear cap space for next summer, etc. One move seems almost certain: trade Rasheed Wallace. It personally pains me to write that—anybody who knows me is well aware how big of a ‘Sheed fan I am. I’ve always wanted him to be a Piston, and up until the latter half of this season wanted him to retire a Piston. No more."

Upside And Motor: "I know that the Pistons think of themselves as championship contenders, but when you look at this team in a vacuum — ignore what the media, other blogs, or even things I've probably said in the past, ignore what other teams are telling you, and ignore what the Pistons themselves are telling you — they really are a team that lives and dies by the jumpshot. It may not seem as obvious because they play solid defense and don't shoot that many three pointers, but they really are a jumpshooting team. And when you stop and think that a team of jumpshooters with a big man who is reluctant to post up at times has made the Conference Finals in the last six years, it really is a special thing. Flip Saunders is responsible for half of that, and the fact that he is being kicked to the curb is kind of appalling. The Pistons by all means should not have won the 2004 Finals, but they did. They caught a break, they played well, and they won. But if you'll tell me that team didn't overachieve ... well, they did."

Dr. Lawyer IndianChief, FreeDarko: "Flip's looseness is one of his greatest assets, allowing him to coexist with notorious headcases such as Rasheed Wallace and Latrell Sprewell, but his nonchalance, and the fact he has zero NBA roots pre-Timberwolves also makes him — to get on some Billups channeling Michael Clayton bit for a second — "the guy you kill." Rudy T, Larry Brown, even Don Nelson ... they're not the guy you kill, they're the guy you buy."

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  1. TiZZaH
    1. Posted by TiZZaH Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:12 pm EDT

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    the pistons should blow the whole team up and start over. their core guys are getting old, and have proved they cant get over the hump with the squad they have. if they think stuckey is going to be the answer they are going to be disappointed. he might be good for 15 a night, but they need to add a superstar to win it all. every team, except the most recent piston team that won, whihc was a fluke btw, has had a superstar. anyone they hire to replace flip is a lateral move at best.
  2. John R
    2. Posted by John R Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    celtic crrapy
  3. baller13zg
    3. Posted by baller13zg Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    Dump Rasheed.
    He has a bad attitude. He's just not smart enough to play for the Pistons. Trade him for picks and some talented youth. Think they could get a top-10 pick for him? (Maybe from the Bobcats? I love Charlotte, but that seems dumb. He would certainly help talent-wise, though. More so than anyone in the draft except Kevin Love)
  4. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    4. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Should have dumped Rasheed and seen what Flip could do before he got rid of him. In any event, unless Wallace goes it's meaningless. Some guys are like a cancer to their team. Rasheed fits that bill better than anyone in the game today. Problem is, who'd want him? Phoenix? They seem to be willing to take older big mouths with bloated contracts. NY Knicks? Can't get any worse with him there, can it?
  5. mikey
    5. Posted by mikey Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    Wow!! They dump him after he won 59 games for them? ouch dudes...maybe he will come and coach the Celts
  6. baller13zg
    6. Posted by baller13zg Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    Sheed to the Knicks could be great.
  7. NANCY WASH
    7. Posted by NANCY WASH Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:40 pm EDT

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    Sheed is a good player he does not take any mess I am a Sheed fan for life go Sheed !!!
  8. bc2625
    8. Posted by bc2625 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    Sheed is solid. He didn't listen to flip cuz he knows better. If he had listened to flip instead of doing his own thing, they would've lost in round 1 to Philly...
  9. mark i
    9. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    Let's clear this up: The Pistons didn't overacheive in 04, the Lakers did. The only player worth a dang on the 04 Lakers who was in his full prime was Kobe. Detroit was deep and could double team Shaq (at his Finals fattest and slowest) and Kobe all day because the rest of the roster was washed-up, injured junk. Note: Tayshaun's entire reputation was overblown by 2004 because Kobe had no options outside of Shaq--who was double and tripled in the paint because no one but Shaq and Kobe were worth a defender's full attention.
  10. mark i
    10. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    Evidence of above 2004 theory:
    1. Fisher's 0.4 killed the Spurs because the Spurs are historically a gutless team, aka the "Default Dynasty," slipping in to fill the Championship Void when there are no actual GREATteams in a given NBA season.
    2. Troy Hudson KILLED the Lakers all year. So naturally, he missed the entire WCF with injury and the T-Wolves went down.
    Old Karl Malone on one leg, the washed up corpses of Rick Fox and Gary Payton, the last legs of Big Shot Rob, and Derek Fisher reduced to a backup? Yeah, Detroit REALLY upset that team...I have a friend who won 1000 bucks on that series because he saw it before I did.
  11. mark i
    11. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    And if you trade Sheed, who plays center? The Pistons play small as it is...you'd have to get a C in return or make another trade.
  12. -G
    12. Posted by -G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Flip Saunders had to go! He is a grossly overrated coach. He inherited a team that had just gone to the NBA Finals (back-to-back) & was unable to lead those same Pistons back to the show in 3yrs. He's absolutely lost when it comes to coaching in the playoffs. He's never been able to make the necessary adjustments during a playoff series after his team lost a game. Evidence... His record in the Confrence Finals is 9-16, and his teams had home court in 3 of 4 series. Nuff said, buh bye... Get the Flip out!!!
  13. Louie
    13. Posted by Louie Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:12 pm EDT

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    they have certainly overachieved these past few years, kudos to gm dumars,coach saunders,and even players like hunter and mcdyess.let us give credit where credit is due,they made do what they had over these past few years.notice that they are achieving their success with no legitimate superstars like kobe or lebron,they even don't have any legitamate center.they play off position basketball making rasheed the center and even making mcdyess play that position is really a big gamble to them.and it was exposed on game 6 of the conference finals when rasheed was in foul trouble and mcdyess has also 4 or 5 fouls already.if only they can bag a center that can help them in the middle,it would make them a better team,and hopefully not taking out all there starters to other teams. but if they try to move there starting lineup players to other teams their hope of going to the finals are going to be slim.i don't want to be in the shoes of joe dumars right now.he even might try to rebuild because he started it already by firing flip,i guess he will try to move the players whose contracts are expiring and make do what they have.which is what they are doing ever since....
  14. Louie
    14. Posted by Louie Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:12 pm EDT

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    if detroit pistons are looking for a new coach,they should not look any further than there sister team (detroit shocks) the first letter of the name they should consider starts with the letter B which stands for BAD BOY.which was an integral part of that team in the good ol' days of the piston era.
  15. nostradamas
    15. Posted by nostradamas Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    I haven't liked Rasheed Wallass since he came to Detroit. He is nothing but an arrogant, big mouthed, cry baby. He is a Cancer to the rest of the team. Detroit has been charactorized by sports writers as an arrogant team. Rasheed is the source of it. Dump the *())*&ing bum, he hurts the team. "Ball don't lie", Raheed, you are an a-s-s. Good riddens.
  16. Boski S
    16. Posted by Boski S Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    I willing to bet all you monkeys do not even stay in tha state of michigan, so stick it where the sun do not shine, Detroit 313 4 life.
  17. Sweetleaps
    17. Posted by Sweetleaps Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    I have to say that I've always been a Sheed fan until this latest mental check out...it was obvious that we weren't gonna win the game when Sheed stepped into the circle of teammates and didn't "bust a move" as far as dancin' went...and on another note, it's a shame to fine Sheed for his comments on the Refs and then turn around and decide to fine players that flop next year...things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
  18. Pistons Fan
    18. Posted by Pistons Fan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:16 pm EDT

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    Been a Pistons fan since the Bad Boys era. The Pistons need a 5. As smart as the so called experts say Sheed is, the Pistons don't need a 4/5 who camps out behind the 3pt line. Sorry about bringing this up again but that Darko pick always comes back to bite the Pistons up the a$$. Joe D should take some of the blame as well. It's time to promote Max to the starting line up and move Dice back to the bench, and trade Sheed for a 5. Watching the series against the Celtics, the Pistons just made Perks look good than he really is. And Mr Big Shot should try and live up to his name, every game. Looks like he's living off his rep in 2004. As for the new Coach, how about Thibodeau? The window hasn't shut but is closing.
  19. Roy A
    19. Posted by Roy A Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm EDT

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    were is okur when you need him..oh yea you let him go. just think how many more play off games you would have won if you had him.
  20. zman1201
    20. Posted by zman1201 Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:01 pm EDT

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    hey detriot this team is going to stink for awhile so get use to watching your good hockey team. my lakers will win it all this year over the boston celts. i can't stand the pistons and their dumb gm that draft donnie dirtball aka donnie darko... the hiring of flip saunders doomed the pistons right from the start. as for micheal curry i think this is even more retarded.
  21. zman1201
    21. Posted by zman1201 Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:01 pm EDT

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    they need to change this team period and not have another one of larry brown's desciples on this team. the pistons aren't going to challange anyone next season and stucky is just plain lucky this season. he played some inferior competition like the magic and did well. whoopie that doesn't mean hes the next d-wade like some idiot anaylst said on espn. as for mr. big shot... he should just retire while his best years are done. rasheed is decent, but i don't see anyone taking him but the bobcats. they should make trade to go get richardson for him.
  22. Vertella B
    22. Posted by Vertella B Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:33 pm EDT

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    how about hiring isaiah thomas joe. or either rick mahorn because the team reallycoached themselves. flip was scarrrrrred of his own uncoachable team. look liked they called teir own plays. should have had maxiel in as a STARTER AND FINISHER. i saw this last year.
  23. They Hate Me
    23. Posted by They Hate Me Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    Why do Tayshaun and Rip get a free pass from the fans? Rip is one of the league leaders in techincal fouls. Why isn't HE considered the cancer? Tayshaun hasn't elevated his game. He fades in and out more than anyone. He complains pretty much everytime he drives to the hoop, even when he makes the shot.
  24. bandogypsys
    24. Posted by bandogypsys Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:02 pm EDT

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    did #27 really just say hire isiah? As a knicks fan I got chills just seeing his name.... dude don't do it to yourself. He'll come in and play mindgames with your players, have the most frustrating rotations of players ever, and probably do more damage to your team than rasheed wallace could ever do.
    I always thought darko was chosen b/c larry brown wouldn't have played a rookie anyways so you went as young as possible. no?
  25. nostradamas
    25. Posted by nostradamas Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    I think that the celtics are a boring team to watch. I don't care much for the lakers, but I think they will kick the s-hi-t out of boston. Basketball is boring too. There are tooooooooo many whistles. That's what makes football, hockey so interesting, they keep the action moving. Who cares who wins the championship/

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