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According to everyone and their grandma, Denver has traded Allen Iverson to Detroit in exchange for Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess. Here's what they're saying out in the ether about the bold switcheroo ...

Denver Stiffs: "... if George Karl knows what he's doing, he has a chance to replicate the success of the recent era of the Pistons by starting Billups and J.R. Smith together a la Billups and Rip Hamilton, with Nene and Kenyon Martin taking on the Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace undersized but effective front court and Melo playing the Tayshaun Prince small forward position. Of course, this requires preaching defense which will be a tall order over the entire season. One thing that perplexes me is that if the Nuggets were intent on making this deal, why not do it before the season started so the new guys could acclimate during training camp?"

The Sporting News: "The question is, can Detroit handle this? I see why Denver's dealing AI. Sure, on a visceral level, it's an insult to beauty, the underdog, and the emotional investment in the NBA of anyone under thirty that Iverson's getting passed around like this. But plain and simple, he's a scorer who dominates the ball and flips off assists casually, once things have broken down. The team desperately needs a sense of order, and a calm hand on the tiller — that's what Billups brings. Oh, and the salary cap implications are enormous — no way they want to shell out max money for such an imperfect match, especially an aging one. Between Carmelo and the re-signed J.R. Smith, the Nuggets have firepower for days that doesn't clog the offense in the same way. This saddles them with Billups till at least 2010-11, but he's cheaper, a better fit, and makes for a more logical core. Oh, and he's a hometown hero. So it's good for Denver. As for Detroit, the key is the huge salary cap relief Detroit gets when Iverson's deal expires this summer. If this experiment doesn't work out, they can try Rodney Stuckey at the one, look elsewhere ... from a contracts standpoint, Dumars hit a home run."

The FanHouse: "This deal isn't about tomorrow or April, though: it's about July. Iverson is a pending free agent, while Billups and Antonio McDyess will take up $19 million of cap space next season. If Dumars lets A.I. flee and fails to re-sign aging forward Rasheed Wallace, the Pistons will be looking at upwards of $20 million in cap space in the summer of 2009. The free agent crop is solid -- not replete with superstars, but solid. Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, Hedo Turkoglu, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Ben Gordon ... there's a chance Dumars could pick up two of those guys with all his space. (UPDATE: Rip Hamilton could also opt out this summer, if he wants to pass up $11 million in exchange for long-term security. That'd give Dumars more than $30 million to play with.)"

Pickaxe and Roll: "It has been obvious that the Nuggets were in need of a point guard even since they traded Andre Miller to Philly in exchange for Iverson. AI has always been more of a shooting guard than a point and while they received some great effort from Anthony Carter, he left much to be desired. My number two offseason priority for Denver was finding a point guard. I guess three games into the season is close enough to the offseason where we can say they got the job done. When I laid out the specifications after last year that I would like to see in a point guard Chauncey Billups is almost a prefect match. He is unselfish, knows how to set up his teammates and can run an offense, he has the size and willingness to play defense and he can shoot it from downtown. He is nearly a perfect fit. Keeping that in mind the question is does Billups accomplish what AI could not and make the Nuggets a contender? I think this trade clearly makes the Nuggets a better team right now, and probably next year too, but I have to say at this point they are still not a contender at the level of the Lakers, Hornets and Jazz."

SLAM: "Detroit is going to love A.I. The little guard’s hard-nosed play will quickly anoint him a king. But this trade also makes something else official: This is the Pistons’ last chance for an NBA Title ... at least for a while. Iverson’s contract goes off the books after this season. He’s likely not coming back, unless the Pistons can land a championship this season. Rasheed is also coming off the books, and he’s shown no desire to do anything next year other than chill on the beach and call it a career."

Empty The Bench: "Pistons fans have to be pumped right now. Iverson is a legit superstar and Chauncey was looking increasingly creaky. AI is coming off one of the finest seasons of his career in Denver and despite being a 33-year-old has plenty left in the tank. Billups is a year younger, but broke down last season and it’s been a few years since he’s shown Mr. Big Shot form in the postseason. McDyess’ steady play and veteran leadership will be missed up front in Detroit, but the Pistons have two young bigs chomping at the bit in Amir Johnson and Jason Maxiell. Both of them, along with free-agent acquisition Kwame Brown, will now be leaned on heavily for the remainder of the season. If either J-Maxx or Amir is available in your fantasy leagues, scoop them up ASAP."

NBA Noise: "How Iverson will mesh in with this team will be interesting. The Pistons have largely played within the team concept, catering to several players who can be considered "stars." But Iverson is a different beast altogether. He is a volume-shooter, and he has been for his entire career. Still, Iverson did show that he could co-exist with another volume-shooter in Carmelo Anthony, and I'm sure the Pistons will be able to integrate him into their system. I view this as a last-ditch effort for the Pistons to win a championship with this core group. They know their window is beginning to close, so bringing in a still highly capable Iverson should give them a boost. This is also a somewhat low-risk deal for the Pistons, as if it doesn't work out Iverson's hefty contract will be off the books at the end of this season, and they always have the up-and-coming Rodney Stuckey to fall back on."

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  1. Bones
    1. Posted by Bones Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    wow cant believe this went down..good trade for both
  2. Big Sexy
    2. Posted by Big Sexy Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    This came out of nowhere....if it doesnt work for the Pistons they can let him walk after the season
  3. Shazam
    3. Posted by Shazam Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    J R Smith is going to go off, I wish I had him on my fantasy team.
  4. Joe L
    4. Posted by Joe L Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:38 pm EDT

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    If Amir Johnson AND Maxiell are available who do you pick up? Do you drop Wilson Chandler?
  5. Gary H
    5. Posted by Gary H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    Billups had to go after getting tore up by Rondo in the playoffs last year,no way he does that to Iverson
  6. xangoir
    6. Posted by xangoir Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    I had pegged JR Smith as a major fantasy stud totally underrated and ready to explode - BEFORE this happened. Now I put him up there with Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay.
  7. Anton
    7. Posted by Anton Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm EDT

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    They should've kept McDyess. He's old but you can't understate the value of an old guy with some spring to him. He was great for Detroit. Oh well, A.I. should be able to get a championship with Detroit now.
  8. PopCorn
    8. Posted by PopCorn Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    It is official.
    the plan is to let iverson walk next seaon.and if rasheed plans to retire.they have enough room to take boozer and okur on their team.
    for me those two will be a good fit for the pistons.
    remember okur was a one time pistons.
  9. metalwarrior
    9. Posted by metalwarrior Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Allen Iverson = Isiah Thomas. Rasheed Wallace = Bill Laimbeer. Great trade!!!! Bad Boys are Back!!!
  10. PopCorn
    10. Posted by PopCorn Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    of all the would be free agents next summer.
    I think Boozer would be the best option available.
    Rip hamilton could also opt out next summer.
    close second would be Shawn Marion and Hedu.
  11. The Devil
    11. Posted by The Devil Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    I know the Nuggets really needed a backup center, but this seems like a lot of trouble just for Cheick Samb.
  12. shaun b
    12. Posted by shaun b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:20 pm EDT

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    This was a good trade for Denver Bad for Detroit . AI has a shoot first mentality he really cant play point he's under size and he's not that durable, Now for Denver that was a awesome trade AD can come of the bench give u 10 and 10 a night CB still can go still top 10 point guards in the league hands down. But like i been saying the 3 teams to beat this yr in order are LA Lakers very strong Houston aka Team defense and New Orleans Boston is super trash they lose alot when letting JP go Listen folks right now It will be Lakers/Cavs in finals
  13. ......
    13. Posted by ...... Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:58 pm EDT

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    if ai's heart and determination to win can rub off on the rest of the pistons, look out NBA!!! otherwise, this could prove to be the end of the piston team that has been so consistent over the years
  14. Greg B
    14. Posted by Greg B Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    I think it was a good move, the Pistons arent getting any younger. Might as well get some of the cap cleared while you can to reload down the line
  15. GemMark
    15. Posted by GemMark Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:08 pm EDT

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    lol too much hype on maxiell and amir. no way they'll make a big impact..
  16. RudeDog
    16. Posted by RudeDog Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    I have a detroit fan; and its time for change. Iverson maybe the be the answer, but next year will money to spend means joe can build another championship team... GO PISTONS!
    For Dever, the change is good. They need a floor leader point guard...they will make a lot on noise... maybe make the West Final.
  17. Hube aka Short
    17. Posted by Hube aka Short Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Thanks Joe D ...DA Bad boys still alive ...GO Ivo do your thing and put your number 3 with da greates Pistons
  18. Desharinette O
    18. Posted by Desharinette O Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    This is crazii............im gone miss mr.big shot he was amazing at times! think about it rip and mr.big shot was good together they know more bout eachother and was sweet as "f" together "i guess iverson got to step up and learn a lot of tricks until then let stuckey play!!!!!!!!!--- he is very cold.........----- it was obviously true when everybodii said he is the future c.billups....................mcdyess---it was time to let him go thses previous games he missed almost every shot.........but he used to be a hard go player!!!!!! imma miss you mr.big shot(c.billups) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mauh muah muah ****************u too a.mcdyess*****************
  19. Cockshot Carrera
    19. Posted by Cockshot Carrera Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    That was STUPID by the Pistons. You had a formula that was getting you to the Eastern Conference Finals every year. You go and blow it up instead of building on it? You could have at least got one more ring! Dumb. AI can't take you to the promised land over the celtics. Dumb move. He can't handle the west with Melo by his side. How's he going to power you over Boston? Dumb.
  20. Cockshot Carrera
    20. Posted by Cockshot Carrera Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    Not to mention you gave up McDyess, too? Bad enough you gave up Billups, the man who makes it all go in the first place, but then you give up your best bench man, too? For a guy who ball hogs almost as much as Kobe? Man, that was a stupid trade. Well, I know Lebron is happy, one less obstacle in his way, now.
  21. Cockshot Carrera
    21. Posted by Cockshot Carrera Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    Oh and "Empty the Bench" dude...did you REALLY mention Kwame "I suck so much even Jordan quit on me." Brown? Really? Whew...Detroit is saved now that they have HIM. Man, I can't remember the last time I posted 3 in a row, I was so angry. Denver made out like bandits and Detroit are the ones tied up in the vault. Cap space? Name ONE of those dudes who could deliver a ring on their own to D-town! One! It's over.
  22. ChuckFromDetroit
    22. Posted by ChuckFromDetroit Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    Billups is getting older and with the arrival of some of these kids like Stuckey this was a great trade for the Pistons because Billups has a contract that last a few more years. A. I. is for the playoff run because what Detroit did was save some money for the future.
    This is now RIP's team and I wish Mr. Billups all the luck in the world because he is going back home with a Championship ring on his finger because he is his prime is over and now he can just be a leader without having all the pressure on him. Great Trade for Detroit. I wonder if A.I will have to practice when he comes to Detroit?
  23. Sam
    23. Posted by Sam Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:49 pm EDT

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    Big Pistons fan here. Not sure how this offense will run without a true point guard. At the same time Chauncy was a shoot first point guard earlier on in his career.
    My predics
    1) With AI's drive and dish, Sheed can camp out at the three. He will get more looks.
  24. Luis J
    24. Posted by Luis J Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:00 pm EDT

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    Denver comes up on top of this trade.
  25. Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments
    25. Posted by Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:08 pm EDT

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    *gasp*

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