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Opa! Ex-Hawks swingman Josh Childress has agreed to terms on a fat three-year contract with Olympiakos of Greece. Here's what they're saying out in the ether about the shocking news ...

JoshChildressCamp: "2008 Summer Camp has been cancelled. Check back later for 2009 details." (Ouch. Thanks, Peter.)

Hawks BasketBlog: "I know most people want to blame Hawks management and ownership for letting this happen, and if that is your opinion you are entitled. But at least consider this [...] Chills is not like most NBA players (afro aside). Every time I've chatted with him at the start of seasons past he's raved about his trips abroad over the summer, including trips to China and Africa as part of the NBA's Basketball Without Borders program. He realizes there is a much larger world out there, and he's experienced a good bit of it. Right off the bat, the idea of playing in a foreign land was going to be much more palatable to him than most."

Ziller, FanHouse: "Childress carries a cap hold of $14.5 million. Assuming the Hawks can manage to retain Josh Smith for about $10 million a year, Atlanta figures to be about $20 million under the salary cap next summer. (Mike Bibby and Zaza Pachulia are coming off the books.) That can buy a mighty fine free agent. But unless Atlanta renounces its rights to Childress — meaning Chills would no longer be a restricted free agent, he could sign with any NBA team and the Hawks wouldn't have matching rights — $14.5 million of that cap space will be locked up in that cap hold. That means Atlanta would have only roughly $5.5 million of space, and that's less than the mid-level exception. The Hawks would then have no cap space, and would be in the same boat as 85% of the NBA. If the Hawks had overpaid Childress with, say, an $8 million annual contract, they would be able to go get a $12 million player in free agency next year ... and they'd have Childress's production! Instead, nothing and nothing."

TrueHoop: "The NBA's collective bargaining agreement includes a ton of complicated clauses. Each serves a purpose, and you can make a case that, all told, it's a good and fairly fair system. But regulation is always burdensome, and this league, famously run by lawyers, is knee-deep in legalese. In this instance, those rules created a really weird deal. According to Josh Childress, there were championship-contending NBA teams that were willing to pay him more than the Hawks would. A sign-and-trade couldn't be worked out, so Childress was stuck. But that makes a situation where here's an employee, a place that wanted to employ him, and an agreed upon price. In normal human life, that's all you need to make a deal. You can only tinker with the free market so much before it starts depressing normal economic activity. This is one of those cases. A rule (essentially, the salary cap) designed solely to keep NBA teams competitive with each other now ends up helping a whole different league."

Lang Whitaker, SLAM Online: "... I don’t think it needed to come to this. The Hawks didn’t have to pay him as much as he’s making in Greece, but they had to pay him something, anything. It just wasn’t happening, according to Josh. 'I had conversations with Rick and ownership and that was my number one goal to return to Atlanta,' Josh said. 'But I wanted to get my contract done early, but when that didn’t happen, I was kind of forced to explore my options.'"

FreeDarko: "... there's no guarantee it will work out, that we'll ever get to see this become a viable option for pros, or find the globalization of the game hastened in ways that would've been unimaginable only a week ago. For all the rewards Childress looks to reap—the largest contract in Euroleague history, a strong Euro, and significantly less taxation are among them—he is entering uncharted territory. Childress has the opportunity to make or break this option for future generations. You decide whether it's too strong to call that a burden, or the less somber "responsibility" will suffice."

KnickerBlogger.net: "... I hardly anticipate a mass exodus of US-born players to the various European leagues beyond what we currently see. The culture shock is considerable, and at the risk of stereotyping, many athletes are if nothing else creatures of familiarity and habit. If anything, I expect to see even fewer European stars jump across the pond to the NBA. The dollar is just too weak. If the structural weaknesses in the US economy aren’t the sort of thing you pay attention to, consider the Childress signing as yet another indication that the economy will probably get a lot worse before it gets better."

YAYsports!: "Okay, now that we've seen that the Josh Childress/Grecian Team deal is actually worth 32.5M over three years, there’s only one question everyone in and/or around basketball needs to ask: What happens when some EuroTeam offers LeBron $50M a year in 2010? Why wouldn’t he go? That’s more than he makes in 3 years here, and he’d probably make another $50M in endorsements — he’d be like the tallest, coolest, most popular person in all of Europe, and they’d all be salivating in their snails and crumpets and chips because they stole an American icon."

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  1. pepefantasy
    1. Posted by pepefantasy Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    [About LeBron]"he’d be like the tallest, coolest, most popular person in all of Europe, and they’d all be salivating in their snails and crumpets and chips because they stole an American icon."
    XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
    Oh, man, where planet are you from?
    There is one person of ten (maybe a hundred) in Europe that knows LeBron at the same level as, perhaps, Francesco Totti, Alberto Contador or Robert Kubica
  2. LG
    2. Posted by LG Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:53 pm EDT

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    Yeah Pepe,
    Lebron's not much in Europe. In all American sports, I'd say that only MJ is an American icon....
  3. mark i
    3. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    I can totally see Kobe bolting to an Italian league when he's about 35.
  4. LG
    4. Posted by LG Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:53 pm EDT

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    Plus, Childress does not get enough votes in "least handsome nba players". the fro is clearly succeeding in diverting our attention from the face...
  5. magichypestick
    5. Posted by magichypestick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:03 pm EDT

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    European sports mainly soccer/bball are structured perfectly. No salary cap, they don't trade players they simply buy them, they dont have teams they have sporting/athletic clubs (FC barcalona has bball, vball, soccer, Olympikos the same, CSKA Moscow, Real Madrid, etc), fans are extremely passionate, they have true international competitions unlike the USA sports where all USA teams play and some how they are WORLD CHAMPIONS, and fans travel very well as well as have 'away fans' only sections to make a better atmosphere.
    I hope others will follow just to prove the NBA and other select USA league Owners' need to stop worry about just making money and give the fans something to be passionate about.
  6. Flabr
    6. Posted by Flabr Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm EDT

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    Lebron is very popular in Europe yes. Way more than Robert Kubica! Of course, not as popular as Beckham, or in the newer generation, Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo... And I bet, if he moved to Europe (no way it is happening), he would become extremely popular. Maybe more than MJ.
  7. Ty
    7. Posted by Ty Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

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    I like the fact that Childress gets to opt out after each year.
  8. pepefantasy
    8. Posted by pepefantasy Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    "Lebron is very popular in Europe yes. Way more than Robert Kubica!"
    Just kidding, but you know what i mean. Lebron, in Europe, is not Kobe or Shaq, no way.
    Today i saw on rivals.com that are surprissed because Tim Tebow could walk on streets beyond USA as and anonimous person... lol!
  9. They Hate Me
    9. Posted by They Hate Me Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    People in the US seem to be blaming the weak dollar way too much. Maybe the reason people don't mind playing outside the NBA is because the NBA isn't that attractive anymore... people are getting over its hype. I mean, if you were given the choice between living in Athens, Barcelona, Madrid, Moscow.... or Milwakee, Oklahoma, Cleveland, Detroit... which one would you go for?
  10. Vanhoffren
    10. Posted by Vanhoffren Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:51 pm EDT

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    Athens does sound and is... a much better city than say, Oklahoma City. It's a no brainer. The beach is emerald green and the women all have long legs and brains. The Ouzo and Sambuca aren't bad either!
  11. MoneyMrl
    11. Posted by MoneyMrl Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    what about kobe? he has a bigger recognizable factor than Lebron and he's the best in the league. Imagine some big time Euro league team owner offering KB about 90 million Euro over 5 years to sign with an Euro team. He'd get endorsements which might be nother 30-40 million euro if not more. at minimum that'd be 120 million Euro with less taxes and that will leave him with about 100 million Euro for himself, about 150 million US dollars. now thats crazy!!!!
    NBA should be very scared. Now should they offer those contracts to Lebron, Kobe and Wade at the same time??? the league as we know it would be over.
  12. hector g
    12. Posted by hector g Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Greece? This is very interesting but I don't see the NBA Elite heading over there any time soon. Ok, you make more money tax free, but the quality of life along with services aren't what you get here in the USA. I have been to Europe several times for long streches of time, it's not the same at all. Order cable services and they show up next month, want to watch American T. V ...forget about it man. Some mid scale players maybe but not the Elite.
  13. hector g
    13. Posted by hector g Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Lets be real people... Kobe already has made over 100 million or more over his career. He can buy anything he wants and today has enough money to retire and live with any luxury he wants from now on. If thats is the case, why is he still playing? Because he loves playing bball! There is no need for Lebron, KG or any other elite player to move over there, away from family and friends. No way people, no way...
  14. Simon Augusto
    14. Posted by Simon Augusto Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    With the way the salary cap is implemented, the Kobe, Wades, LBJs and the rest of the superstars in their prime are sure to get paid. Once that chunk of change is gone though, every free agent left on the board is fair game for the Euro teams who have money to spend.
    If we extend this vision forward, the NBA teams of the future will be composed of one to two superstars and ten scrubs. Deep teams will be a thing of the past as the "second tier" players like your Childresses, Jordan Farmars, Kyle Korvers, and David Lees of the world will seriously consider taking a look across the pond.
    Of course, there are only three fistfulls of teams who could pay out the type of money to attract this type of player (the Barcelonas, Real Madrids, CSKA Moscows, etc. - plus any other Russian team backed by an oil mogul), so we are really looking at maybe 8-15 decent players going across. Big enough to tip the balance of power? Not yet. Significant enough to dilute an already diluted NBA talent pool. I'll bet on it.
  15. romo
    15. Posted by romo Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    Maybe the whole Lakers team should go over there. Then they might have a better chance
    at winning a championship!
    Lakers Suck!
  16. mark i
    16. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    Hector: Kobe's an exception. I'm sure he'd love to:
    1. Play in Europe, where he spent time growing up.
    2. Play where fans aren't calling him "whiner" or "rapist" or implying he sucks without Shaq.
    3. Be the biggest name to ever play in Europe with some gas left in the tank.
    4. Send his kids to an exclusive European private school where they won't be hounded as "Kobe's Kids."
    5. Get away from the taste of Shaq's a$$.
  17. thealy42
    17. Posted by thealy42 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Any info out there on how the European press is treating the Childress/Jennings situations?
  18. hans k
    18. Posted by hans k Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:16 pm EDT

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    Great for Childress and great for Olympiakos.. I support Panathinaikos, so it seems to bee interesting this year.. Papaloukas (best player in Europe the last three or four years) is also with Olympiakos again..
    Living in Athens is very nice, been there twice. Olympics in 2004 and last year for the Euroleague-finals.
    The Euroleague final four is great, this year in Madrid the passion of the fans was huge..
    Think only in Italy and Greece it is the newspapers. In the rest of Europe it isn't. American sports are populair, but not that populair. But reading on the net, they think it's good for european basketball, and in my opion that's correct.
  19. Todd
    19. Posted by Todd Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:14 pm EDT

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    This might not become a popular trend if teams recognize the value of their players. I'm not speaking monetarily. Obviously all NBA players play a game most of us would play for a tiny amount if we were allowed. But the influence of the almighty dollar, and the compulsion that the league make money, while taking it so much of it from we the fans who increasingly have less and less to give, means that European teams are much more plausible alternatives to NBA teams. I think one has to have a certain degree of adventure to leave and play overseas, but that challenge can be compensated, at least to some degree, with the number of 0s. Money talks, obviously, and the Euro League is structured in such a way that it's not a zero sum game. Attendance is always good there, prices are reasonable, and so there is a cash flow for teams which will facilitate more of this sort of flirtation. That is not to say that players will go, but I do think that unless the league evolves, perhaps in a manner by which money is not quite the King it is, more and more players will see lucrative offers and will be quite persuaded. Obviously if a large number of players go over there, there will at some point be a level at which the competitive parity between Europe and the Association might not be so heavily tilted toward the Association. And that is not a knock on Euroleague basketball. I think the game is played fundamentally more soundly there. The athletes, however, are better here.
  20. Todd
    20. Posted by Todd Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:14 pm EDT

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    Hector, I think you're overgeneralizing about the quality of things in Europe as opposed to in the States. Josh Childress will be able to get whatever he wants with that contract, and quite frankly, if we in the States (I'm from Britain but live in the States) do not recognize the inadequacy of money to be the answer to all problems after the last two terms of Bush, then I don't know what it will take for people to realize that people do things for reasons OTHER than money.
  21. Derico
    21. Posted by Derico Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    Re. Kobe Bryant going over, don't forget that he speaks fluent Italian which would definitely help in crossing the cultural barrier if he went over to play in the Euroleague.
  22. dj
    22. Posted by dj Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    The fans of Josh Childress would love to see him succeed in Europe. The disrespect and lack of appreciation the hawks management has shown him is outrageous.

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