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There's mixed reaction to Paul Pierce's knee injury and return. (Check the video.) Was the Celtics forward legitimately hurt on the play, or did he exaggerate the moment? What they're saying out in the ether about the the Truth's comeback ...

The Association: "In my book when you knock knees with someone you stop for a second, rub it and get back in the game. In Paul Pierce's book, you drop to the floor, do a Nancy Kerrigan impression, get carried off in the Dwyane Wade Memorial Wheelchair, sit in the locker room for the next five minutes, return to give the extremely gullible media a Willis Reed moment (but not a moment) and return to play a normal fourth quarter. Paul Pierce was and is not hurt! He was never hurt. He bumped his knee and got wheeled off the floor."

CelticsBlog.com: "When something pops in your knee, you don't mess around with it. You stay down and you get it looked at immediately. There was no grandstanding here. The man was scared out of his mind [...] When he figured out that he could put his weight on the leg, he got some hope back. Then obviously the adrenaline started pumping and he was ready to give it a shot. This isn't the first time we've heard of this. We've seen players play the second half of a game with a broken foot or wrist or whatever.  Paul wasn't trying to be Willis Reed or Larry Bird. He wasn't trying to be a hero. He just wanted to get back out there and help his team win ... which he did. So the end result was that he was the hero and that's the truth. No amount of sour grapes is going to take that away."

Britt Robson, The Rake: "... let's remember two facts: Pierce was sidelined with the knee injury for a grand total of 1:45 — just 105 seconds — during which time the Celts outscored the Lakers 6-0. So, yes, losing Pierce for the rest of the game, let alone the series, would have been a steep challenge for Boston to overcome, but the net effect of the whole thing was great bonus to the Celts — players have sat because of foul trouble a lot longer than Pierce was in the locker room, so his actual absence was negligible in terms of court time, yet the psychological advantage of first facing the prospect of going into crunchtime without your assassin, and then having that daunting prospect suddenly vanish was all mental gravy."

The World Of Isaac: "If I hear one more reference to Paul Pierce pulling a Willis Reed last night, I'm going to hang myself. Willis Reed was legitimately hurt when he limped out onto the floor in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals. He was hurt so bad, he couldn't play more than 15 minutes that game. He was dragging his leg as he ran up the court. Pierce was carried off to the locker room because he said he heard a pop but miraculously his "injured knee" didn't stop him from taking one of the worst flops I've ever seen on Derek Fisher. It was as if he transformed himself into the black version of Manu Ginobili. Truly an embarrassment to basketball."

Red's Army: "To hear Paul describe a “pop” and pain in the inner knee makes me think there is some kind of tear in the meniscus or medial collateral ligament. That’s purely a guess on my part … and it might just be a sprain. However, people can play with mild meniscus or MCL injuries … usually with a big brace on the knee. Pierce had another “moment” last night. It’s another lasting memory in the minds of young fans that they’ll romanticize later in life when they talk about their favorite player going into the Hall of Fame.  These playoffs are full of those “moments” for Paul Pierce … whether Plaschke likes them or not."

Josh Q. Public: "Everybody’s been comparing [Pierce's injury] to Willis Reed. I disagree. Mike Wilpon alluded to it. I was there. I was there where the real similarity took place. I was there when Larry Bird’s head bounced off the Parquet with a thump. [...] I was there in 1991 against the Indiana Pacers in the playoffs. Boston led by ten after the first quarter, but the Pacers tied it at 58-all by halftime.  Late in the second quarter, Bird crashed to the floor in pursuit of a loose ball. His head bounced hard off the parquet. He stayed down.  Stayed down. Stayed down for what seemed like an eternity. Then he headed to the locker room. And just like last night, Boston gasped a collective gasp. Bird did not return with his teammates for the start of the third quarter. When he finally came through the tunnel in the third quarter, the Garden crowd erupted. It was electric. Boogie oogie oogie.  Just like last night."

Free Darko (comments): Doug: "... was I the only one slightly mystified by the pageantry with which the Celtic's staff carried Pierce off the court? They couldn't bring the wheelchair out from the tunnel?" DLIC: "I mean, even in the most non-wheelchair-necessary of situations, they usually do the thing where the injured guy puts each arm around a separate trainer/coach/etc and limps off."

Intentional Foul: "... according to Around the Horn’s Bill Plaschke, we and the Lakers were duped by some WWE-style trickeration. OK, let’s think about that implication for second. In order for this to occur, it would have to be premeditated to a degree. This means Pierce made a conscience decision to fake his injury at just the right time in order to get the crowd going. How would something like this happen? Does Doc Rivers tell one of his best players to keep his eye on the pulse of the crowd and if it falls below a certain energy level, wait for Kendrick Perkins to accidentally make contact with your leg, fall down in agony, get dragged back to the locker room and make a triumphant, crowd-pleasing return a few minutes later. But wait, there’s more — after you return, hit two 3-point bombs to give your team the momentum when the fourth quarter starts. Yeah, that seems plausible … likely even."

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  1. baller13zg
    1. Posted by baller13zg Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:58 pm EDT

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    Pierce was hurt. For real. Adrenaline does crazy things once you realize your leg is not, in reality, going to fall off.
  2. KevinM
    2. Posted by KevinM Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    Whats with all the gay jokes? Get a chat room and pshycologist and go work it out.
  3. brouk9
    3. Posted by brouk9 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Either he was FAKING, or he is a scared and soft little P**SY. Either way, he ain't no Willis Reed. We can all agree that he was not that hurt at all. He reacted worse than Bynum did when he gout hurt, but look at Bynum, out for the season. But Pierce goes from Wheelchair to draining 3 pointers in 5 mins. And why no MRI from Boston's medical staff? Obviously they're not worried about his future.
  4. Mash
    4. Posted by Mash Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm EDT

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    As a Raptors fan, I'm just playing the role of an objective onlooker.
    If his knee was in such serious jeopardy, then let Brian Scalabrine, of all people, carry that side of his knee? Why wouldn't they bring the wheelchair straight? Was it because they really do believe that Scalabrine has that Irish luck?
    That's like Maceo Baston and Joey Graham carrying TJ Ford by his legs and neck after the Al Horford incident. It just doesn't make any medical sense. So either Pierce embellished the pain (there's no denying here that he was hurt on the play - it looked like it hurt), or, the Celtics medical staff should get canned.
  5. mikey
    5. Posted by mikey Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    Anyone who plays sports hard enough knows you can really wack a knee and hurt bad and then get better a little bit afterward, why is that so difficult to understand?
  6. The VZA
    6. Posted by The VZA Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    Here's the TRUTH:
    NBA players fall down and "hurt" themselves all the time. They ALWAYS immediately act like they just got shot or something, and roll around in pain. Then, 99% of the time, they are up and running within 60 seconds. Pierce was nothing different- he just acted a little bit more. Since the game was on such a grand stage, everybody made a BIG deal about it. That's it and that's all.
    On a humorous note, can you imagine playing streetball and somebody pulls a Pierce? He would get laughed at and cussed at repeatedly!
  7. shawn n
    7. Posted by shawn n Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 pm EDT

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    Paul pierce is a punk,and granted i am a pistons fan it is a shame he tried to make himself out to be the next willis reed. if i was building a team i would take a hall of famer like reed over an average joke player like pierce
  8. Too much fantasy
    8. Posted by Too much fantasy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Paul Pierce is a cry baby. At the end of the fourth quarter he got foulded on a rebound and continued to rub his collar bone like a girl. I hate when basketball players get hit in the face then they roll on the groung covering their face like they lost an eye. It's not soccer. Just get up and take it like a man.
  9. Diego C
    9. Posted by Diego C Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:09 pm EDT

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    man, pierce is a lil b***h, what a faker, such a p**sy, lakers in 5
  10. lakergal254
    10. Posted by lakergal254 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:20 pm EDT

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    Pierce has always been a baby, he musta felt he had to rile up the team and the crowd - what a crock....it was amateur night - Just knew he's be back, but shocked to see how fast he heals. Bet he has at least 10 more semi-serious injuries before they go down in 6...and he should shut up - period.
  11. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    11. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Notice how quick he came back into the game when he realized his team-mates were outplaying The Lakers? Had to get a lot of credit for this win. Shoot, how else can he get his jersey in the rafters?
  12. t-lish
    12. Posted by t-lish Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    i agree with #9, when someone gets hurt, you isolate the knee. you don't let anyone carry him while his knee bounces to each step. the movement would only make the injury worse. boston is sorry for playing that out. guess they realize it's the only way they can win. when michelle tafoya was doing the locker room interview, didn't you see the smirk on her face? she knew what was going on...
    BOSTON FAKERS!
  13. t-lish
    13. Posted by t-lish Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    the truth? my A$$. how bout
    THE UN-TRUTHFUL
  14. mikey
    14. Posted by mikey Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    Paul pierce's average points per game is 23 and Reeds was 19, Reed would be ;lucky to be as good as Pierce
  15. Sky P
    15. Posted by Sky P Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    I kind of agree with comment #19. I've had surgery on my left knee, and the right knee is going to need it sooner or later. I'm only 25 and my knees are shot. Not from playing ball, but from 9yrs of skateboarding. But regardless, I think I know knee pain, and there's a lot of situations where the knee can hurt tremendously for a little bit, then feel better quickly.
    Case in point. I was playing in a small pickup game, my left knee made a funny movement, all of a sudden I couldn't stand on it anymore and was in excruciating pain. after about 5 min of this, something popped and in less than 30sec it's like it never happened. My best guess is that I pinched a nerve or something. It does happen, although I do feel like they exaggerated getting him back to the locker room.
  16. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    16. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    He was Lazarus
  17. image guy
    17. Posted by image guy Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    I think Pierce is a great player and has been for a while but that was a joke. The replay showed Perkins barely hitting his knee and the next thing you see if the guy getting carried off like he got hit by Brian Urlacher.
    The fact is the NBA has become a theater with guys flopping every play and players getting hurt but always coming back to be some type of hero when in reality it was what we saw last night.
    I can't believe each time something happens, or so it appears, the media starts sucking balls and comparing the situation to Willis Reed? Maybe from now on when a player flops, much like Rip Hamilton did in the previous series, they should say he came back like Paul Pierce and not Willis Reed.
  18. Patrick
    18. Posted by Patrick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 pm EDT

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    It truly makes me laugh every time I read derogatory comments using profanity from Laker fans and what not. Calling somebody a "cat" or "female dog in heat" on the internet is very easy since you're kinda protected by anonymity. I'd love to see any of you call Pall Pierce those names in real life. Maybe in a dark alley even. Alone, without back-up. Makes you realize who the real sissies are, doesn't it? Lol!
  19. A Yahoo! User
    19. Posted by A Yahoo! User Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:01 pm EDT

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    When Paul Pierce was carried off by 3 basketball players on the Celtics team, then put on a wheel chair, I told my friends that he would return to pumped the crowd. The Celtics didn't fumble, instead, they played it head to head with the Lakers who supposedly having advantage at this point.
    So suddenly, the crowd put on a standing ovation. Guess what? Pierce was back to check in. His returned pumped the crowd and teammates, and then he drained two 3-point shots after he returned. Eventually, the Celtics won.
    So today is the day where Lakers fan rhymes with their head coach, and be cynical about it.
    I also
    Kobe had done the same with his lower back injury during the Jazz-Lakers series game 4 (where his "lower back injury" lasted him 46 minutes on the court). He was hopping around as if he shouldn't be playing. Then everyone was sympathizing his inability to make shots due to the injury. Ok, so what happen to game 5? 26 points, 6-10 shootings, 6 rebounds, and 7 assists. Brave act, or acting, just like Paul Pierce did yesterday. The matter of fact, Pierce only took a mega size gauge from the neck down, and an elbow in the eye.
    What more can I say about this? Lakers wasted their chance away when Kevin Garnett and Sam Cassell taking turn to put up bad shots. Lakers rebounded with a bad shot after 23 seconds, Gasol got an offensive rebound, then another 22 seconds was wasted away until the ball was tipped out of bound with 2 seconds left.
    That's just pathetic. By the way people are talking really bug here... try to be the one who was stabbed 11 times and survive that.
    Oh
  20. jack t
    20. Posted by jack t Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm EDT

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    no competitive athlete in their right mind with their focus on the game would conceive an idea to fake an injury at the perfect moment and then come back out later. the celtics have paul pierce's adrenaline to thank, not his theatrics.
  21. A Yahoo! User
    21. Posted by A Yahoo! User Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:01 pm EDT

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    Instead of discussing problems from last night, Laker fans rather blame it on a brave (or dramactic to laker fans) act. Look, how many drive did Paul Pierce attempted after the injury? He put up 2 threes and one fake away Jump shot over fisher plus 3 free throws. The nornal Pierce in the fourth quarter will drive to the hoop and draw fouls. A normal Paul Pierce in the fourth quarter would play more than 10 minutes... he didn't even play more than a half of the quarter. Save your apathetic comments nd blame it on how four lakers stood around to watch KG got a offensive rebound. Blame on your lakers for wasting 24 seconds to only let Ronny took a shot. Even after Pau Gasol recovered that rare offensive rebound, lakers wasted another 22 seconds only to see the ball got poked out of bound. How pathetic was that? Besides, Pau Gasol/Fisher combined 30 points in the game. 25 in the first half... only 5 in the second half. Blame that if you will.
  22. bethana h
    22. Posted by bethana h Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:05 pm EDT

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    paul pierce difinetly hurt his leg, and with all these derogatory comments, jealously is the root of all evil!!!
  23. jjkaralis
    23. Posted by jjkaralis Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    That IntentionalFoul.com link says it best. For Pierce to "fake" that injury... he would have to have planned the whole moment. Now.. I've seen some dumb things in the NBA... but thats unfathomable. To insinuate that Paul Pierce planned to go down just so he could soak up a "Willis Reed" moment requires a tremendous lack of brains.
    Anyone who has seen him walking around today knows that he actually did hurt his knee. But that doesn't support your wild, baseless allegations.
    Instead of just celebrating an adrenaline-fueled return to an awesome game... and appreciating a special moment in Paul Pierce's career... people on both sides are FLYING out of control. This was neither fake...nor was it Willis Reed. People need to relax.
  24. miguel d
    24. Posted by miguel d Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:41 pm EDT

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    faking or not the smeltics won the game.....a win is a win... its just 1-0. and stop blaming the refs also...they are not the one that missed a ton of shots....lakers in 5 or 6...hope it goes to game 7
  25. Ken
    25. Posted by Ken Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    NBA is full of girly man.

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