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The Clippers acquired center Marcus Camby from the Nuggets last night for the option to exchange second-round picks with LA in 2010. (Yep. That's it.) Here's what they're saying out in the ether about The Camby Man going to Cali ...

ClipperBlog.com: "It's a good mid-term solution for the Clips. Camby can more than compensate for Brand's rebounding and blocks. He's arguably the most effective help defender in the league. Not a bad passer, either.Camby's usage dropped precipitously after Denver acquired Allen Iverson, but he's a reasonably effective scorer and has that dependable set shot from about 15. He's certainly not capable of contributing at Elton's level — and he'll never demand a double-team — but he doesn't have to. Side note: We posed the question a couple of years back, "is Chris Kaman secretly a power forward?" Now we might have occasion to find out."

Denver Stiffs: "... my initial reaction is a combination of pissed off and bewildered. I mean, why trade one of the best defensive centers in the league for a starting point guard when you can get a meaningless second round pick? You're telling me Marcus Camby isn't worth at least (at least!) a first round pick?! It looks like the Nuggets are either desperate to shed payroll (what are we, the Florida Marlins now??) or are making another big move shortly. But without knowing about possible deals coming down the pike, this "trade" rivals sending Chauncey Billups to Orlando for Tariq Abdul-Wahad and will likely make our Denver Stiffs "Worst Trades in Denver Nuggets History" list coming later this summer."

Clips Nation: "This is great news, and it should be interesting to see how the analysis of Camby vs. FElton plays out — there has been a fair amount of grumbling about FElton's real ability and productivity after the 06-07 drop and 07-08 injury, and some discussion that the Clips might be better off not maxing out FElton. So now the Clips have replaced the defense and rebounding side of the equation with this very solid, completely cost-effective move, which for me at least is infinitely more exciting than trading for the overpaid Zach Randolph. Camby, in fact, seems to be the anti-Zach Randolph. And now the Clippers have a starting lineup. Another thing to mention: Baron Davis has gone to the playoffs six times, and he engineered one of the great upsets in playoff history. And he has never played on a team with big men able to rebound and defend like Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby."

Clips Nation (again): [This] is great from a salary cap standpoint. The Clippers are still under the cap, and can still add a player before all is said and done. Camby also becomes a trade piece next season, along with Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley. All three expire prior to the 2010 free agent bonanza, when players like LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh will all be available. The Clippers will now be players in that lottery, or use the three in a trade. It gives the team lots of leverage."

The Nugg Doctor: "If the Nuggets really let go of the captain of this team without getting at least, at bare-freakin'- minimum, a prospected high first round draft pick in next year's draft they are getting robbed blind! This is a player that anchored an otherwise hapless defensive crew, led the league in blocked shots, and was in the running for the best rebounding clip all year long! But yet, somehow, the Denver Nuggets, allegedly, are unable to get more than a future second round pick out of the Clippers? Talk about bringing a team to their knees."

Commenter "Bone" at Dime: "Hard for me to see how this move helps either team. The Clips already have Kaman and Camby does not replace what EB did on offense. Puzzling ... As for Denver, they have now lost Camby and Najera — the only two guys who played an sort of defense — and have nothing to show for it. Are they really content with going to war next year with K-Mart and Nene at the 4 and 5 spot? Those two are not exactly AC Green and Dolph Schayes in terms of durability. Maybe they are clearing cap space to go after Okafor? A younger Camby? That is the only thing that makes sense."

Pickaxe and Roll: "The Nuggets acquired two assets in this deal. First of all, they can swap second round picks with the Clippers in the 2010 draft. That part of the deal is not so good, but we will get to that later. The real prize in this trade is the Nuggets have received a trade exception of $10.1 million dollars that they can use anytime between now and July 14, 2009 to acquire a player, or players, whose salary will fit into that exception. Basically this trade is Marcus Camby for a swap of 2010 second round picks and a player to be named later. ... Some people who believe Camby is the heart of the Nuggets defense will panic, and there is no doubt that this trade makes the Nuggets a worse team for the 2008-2009 season. On the other hand there has been a growing movement to trade Marcus Camby amongst Nugget fans for at least two seasons. I have been a strong proponent of trading Camby because I believe he is a vastly overrated defender and he is the only center in the NBA who cannot go down on the block and make a jump hook."

Moore, FanHouse: "When Nuggets fans hoped for a roster move to shake up a team that was woefully deficient at defense, and downright catastrophic at points in terms of chemistry, this is is probably not what they hoped for. This has to be considered nothing more than a cost cutting measure by the Nuggets, who are scheduled to pay over $13 million in luxury tax for last season. Both teams needed to do something with their rosters. They did something, but it says something very different about the future for both squads."

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  1. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    1. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Great move for the Clippers. Unbelievable.
  2. A Yahoo! User
    2. Posted by A Yahoo! User Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:23 am EDT

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    This is a very stupid move on the Nuggs part i mean if ya want to get rid of money trade K-Mart, Melo, or even A.I. but come on man why trade the best defensive player for nothing. Being a Nuggets fan makes me wonder what the hell they are thinking. I questioned the Andre Miller for Iverson trade and now Camby for nothing. WOW
  3. Jeff Clark
    3. Posted by Jeff Clark Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:29 pm EDT

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    actually I love this deal (long term) for the Nuggets, but it all depends on what they do with that trade exception - $10M can buy you a lot at the trade deadline or next year's draft night
  4. John Park W
    4. Posted by John Park W Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:03 pm EDT

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    I must have missed the meeting where Marcus Camby was declared Bill Russell. HE SUCKS!!! Camby was a -49 in the Lakers series (the next worst was KMart at -30). Camby is terrible. Yeah he blocks a lot of shots, but he jumps at anything that moves, leaving his man wide open (See Gasol in Lakers series)Addition by subtraction for the Nuggets.
    Use the $10 million trade exemption to get someone cheaper but equally as valuable (Joel Przyzbilla?? Raymond Felton??)
  5. gnarlyman
    5. Posted by gnarlyman Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:04 pm EDT

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    Dumbest move ever! The Nuggets are a shoot-first/defense- last team, and now they have nobody that knows how to play defense! For a second-round pick! Sure , the Nuggets can light-up a scoreboard, but the opposing team could too! Who authorized this trade-George W. Bush-whacked?
  6. hans k
    6. Posted by hans k Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:16 pm EDT

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    I don't get this, the Nuggets are dumping Camby.. Weird..
  7. Tyler Durden
    7. Posted by Tyler Durden Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:28 pm EDT

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    Nugs don't want a championship ever. Terrible trade. And good job trading away the "least" gangster player on the team. See if any other Nug does as much in the community as Camby. To tell you the truth I'm a Laker fan.
  8. Envigado
    8. Posted by Envigado Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:24 pm EDT

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    Uh... excuse me?
    We're supposed to believe that nobody else was willing to give up more than a swap of second round picks for Camby? This would have been the weirdest trade I've ever heard of if he'd been sent to the East. But for the Nugs give him up for nothing to a team within the conference, that they very well could be/have been battling for the eighth seed?
    This smells real funny.
    I desperately need to replace my B. Diddy jersey. But between this and the new Scott Foster crap, I'm losing faith in the integrity of the league to the point of not wanting to spend a dime on any NBA licensed gear. Maybe I'm paranoid or just flat out wrong, but that's how I feel, and I can't be the only one. And then we still have another two years of half the league going into extended tank mode to look forward to...
    Go Raiders!
  9. smokinblue
    9. Posted by smokinblue Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    Hold on.. is that piece of crap Bernie BiTTerstaff back??
    Hold on Denver fans.. he we freaking go again.
    What's next.. AI and Melo for a few basketballs??
  10. doneycat
    10. Posted by doneycat Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:46 pm EDT

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    That thud you heard was from all the agents of the RFA's like J-Smoove, Deng, Okafor (but not Childress, as he looked like an MLE guy anyway). Let this be a primer for all the GM's out there with cap space in 2010 - this is how you will improve your team, not by hoping Wade, LeBron, or Bosh comes calling. I'm looking directly at you, Kevin McHale.
  11. mark i
    11. Posted by mark i Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:08 pm EDT

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    It's like taking Camby from a baby.
    The trade exception was the big deal. Good to see the Clippers make a step forward again, though I don't think this puts them over 40 wins.
    If the Nuggets were to ever win a championship (fat chance of that, let's just say seriously contend) it would be years from now, when Melo matures into an adult...by that time Camby will be on his way out of the league anyway. The Nuggets played terrible defense WITH Camby, how bad is the dropoff really going to be?
  12. smokinblue
    12. Posted by smokinblue Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    LOL @ #5.
    What happened to you.. did ol' Georgie pee in your cereal bowl.
    WTH has he got to do with this??
    (oh yeah.. you are one of the fools who thinks HE traded Sosa. LOL)
  13. Nuggets4
    13. Posted by Nuggets4 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:36 pm EDT

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    Once again, Pickaxe and Roll with the analysis that proves it's the best Nugs blog on the internet.
  14. Jeff Clark
    14. Posted by Jeff Clark Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:29 pm EDT

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    in 6 months we'll be talking about how smart this was for the Nuggets and how short-sighted it was for the still woeful Clipps
  15. smokinblue
    15. Posted by smokinblue Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:50 pm EDT

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    If that is the best analysis on Camby (Pickaxe and Roll) then the fans have little to choose from.
    Just one point.. how is the Camby overrated as a DEFENFER?? By not having a hook shot?? That is moronic. We should look at stats.. and no it doesn't matter Camby is almost the entirity of Denver's defense.
    The analysis of the trade itself is very good. But this idea Camby is overrated is a joke.
    Still feels like the day's of Bickerstaff.
  16. Enrique
    16. Posted by Enrique Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:20 pm EDT

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    Idiots ! This was a solid trade for the Nugs. They get a trade exception! 10 million dollars and a sign of bigger things to come with the Nuggets.
    I doubt that they let the exception go to waste.
    Btw...the Nuggets were a solid defensive team. They were in the top 10 in points allowed per 100 possestions.
    They let up so much points because the number of possestions that the nuggets gave the opposing team per game.
  17. superfan24
    17. Posted by superfan24 Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:50 pm EDT

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    Wow, what a coup for the Clippers. Looks like they took a page from the Lakers' GM playbook.....
  18. innocent i
    18. Posted by innocent i Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    that was a dumb move, because the nuggets need defense. They better get someone like artest and i know my player iverson, will be mad cause he wants a championship. horrible move.
  19. Enrique
    19. Posted by Enrique Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:20 pm EDT

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    So..if the Nuggets defense is solid...but the offense needs work...isn't it a smart idea to get rid of a guy that is not a scoring center?
    All camby did was get weak side blocks and foul...
    The Nugs thrive on getting turnovers...bring in a more athletic scoring center with a trade using a player like linas kleiza.
  20. bruin4life23
    20. Posted by bruin4life23 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:14 pm EDT

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    the nuggs might not even get a draft pick, they have the option to exchange 2nd round picks so if the clips pick is worse than the nugs then the clips got camby for FREE
    im a laker fan and i thought pau gasol was a steal, but this is amazing
  21. Busboys4me
    21. Posted by Busboys4me Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    I love the move by the Clippers. They didn't just sit there and cry because they lost Elton, they did something about it. Baron, Camby, and Kaman is nice. Add the rookie for Indy and Thorton you have a nice 35-40 win starting five. The bench is still a problem but if they can spend some of that money they still have under the cap, they can cause some problems in the West. Five or 10 wins more by the Clippers could have drastically affected last year's playoff position.
    Nuggets fans: This opens up a move for Ron Artest. That would be the biggest thug team in the West. Problem is they still won't make much noise in the playoffs. They would scare the heck out of Dallas and San Antonio though.
  22. the guy
    22. Posted by the guy Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    The Clips are rolling the dice on two aging stars with injury histories coming off of career highs in games played last season. I love Baron for what he did for the Warriors, but I was as shocked as anyone to see him play every game last year, and you could tell that at the end of the season his legs were shot. Camby puts up studly numbers, but he's as brittle as balsa wood. If (and this is a big fat f----in 2 ton "if") Baron and Camby and Caveman can stay healthy, the Clips should compete. But in the wild wild West, if one of those three goes down, hellloooo lottery.
  23. sofwhite
    23. Posted by sofwhite Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 pm EDT

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    hey pickaxe and roll... where are all these centers in the league who can go down on the block and make a jump hook? i haven't seen a center even attempt anything i would call a jump hook since the kandi-man, and in his case it was mostly just attempting. which makes me wonder... when was the last time you saw an nba game? 1998?
  24. JasonP
    24. Posted by JasonP Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:51 pm EDT

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    One important point which seems to have been overlooked is that Marcus Camby had to play center for the Nuggets. Now that he's on the Clippers and if center Chris Kaman stays healthy, he can play his more natural position of power forward and this could help him stay healthy as he won't get beaten down in the post by people far stronger than he is as has happened in prior years. However, it is also true that Marcus Camby is no Elton Brand on the offensive end, but this could be a good thing in that it will allow Chris Kaman more opportunities to score and more space in the low post to operate. If Marcus Camby can stay healthy and re-establish his perimeter shot which he seemed to lose in last-year's playoffs, the Clippers and their fans, including me, will be very happy!
  25. Camel Spitz
    25. Posted by Camel Spitz Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:59 pm EDT

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    This clearly represents a conspiracy against the best player in the NBA (Melo) to be forever on a losing team. What a ridiculous trade!

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