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Another day, and another reason to have no idea as to what the Denver Nuggets are on about.

Another day, and another reason to be completely wowed by Joe Dumars and his executive savvy, in spite of his noted missteps (Darko, Kwame, Rodney White, etc.).

Woj is reporting that the Nuggets are about to send Allen Iverson to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess, with frontcourt prospect Cheikh Samb thrown in for Denver as well. Throw in whoever you want. It's an absolute steal for the Pistons.

It's an absolute steal even if Iverson turns an ankle on his way toward Auburn Hills and doesn't play a game for this team, because Dumars just managed to do the exact thing (acquire cap space in one fell swoop) that the Nuggets had been supposedly trying to do all along with AI and his expiring contract.

The Nuggets? I've become convinced that they think the NBA is folding sometime this summer.

Iverson makes almost $21 million this year, in the final year of his contract, and paired with several other expiring contracts on the Detroit roster, we're looking at a Pistons team that could have at least $20 million cap space this summer. Had the Pistons held the current roster together, once you figured in Jason Maxiell's contract extension and the fact that Rip Hamilton and Kwame Brown are likely to pick up their player options, the team was looking at being just a few hundred thousand over the cap, even with Rasheed Wallace's giant expiring contract.

Instead, this team will have Hamilton, Maxiell, Rodney Stuckey, Tayshaun Prince, Amir Johnson, and a host of youngsters on the cheap, plus enough money to pull in two huge primo free agents. All in return for a 32-year old point guard who is owed $13 million in 2011, and a F/C who might retire.

And, if AI and Rasheed and the gang work out ... who knows? They probably won't, but there are options. The Pistons now have $31.7 million in expiring contracts to shop around starting at the beginning of the 2009 (when Iverson can be traded again). Dumars might not be done.

As for the Nuggets ... what the hell?

Billups is still a little underrated, he's a terrific point guard in the half-court, and Denver is desperate for a competent ball-handler to feed their still-formidable rosters of scorers and finishers. J.R. Smith will plug in Iverson's old shooting guard slot and score just as much, if not more. No joke. He also has the size to defend better than AI, but this is also J.R. Smith we're talking about, so let's not get carried away.

Meanwhile, should he report, McDyess can still play, he's already been a Nugget twice in his career, and Denver will be in better shape with that duo than they were in just with Iverson.

But at what price? This keeps the Nuggets well over the luxury tax level this season, and it means Denver will be right near it in 2009-10 even with just seven players signed and Linas Kleiza's contract situation in the air. Give Linas seven million a year, and the Nuggets are paying six or seven million in luxury tax with only eight roster spots filled.

And assuming Kleiza gets the sort of contract I mentioned, even with McDyess' contract expiring, the Nuggets are on the books for nearly $70 million in 2010-11 with just Chauncey, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Kleiza, Carmelo Anthony, and J.R. Smith on board. Just six players, well over the cap, and approaching luxury tax territory.

The Nuggets will be better with this trade, this season. Don't doubt it for a second. A backcourt with Smith and Billups playing big minutes and Anthony Carter or Chucky Atkins working in reserve will do far more than any combination with AI pulling in 40 minutes a night, Smith filling in where he could, and Atkins/Carter having to log heavy minutes because nobody else can bring the ball up court.

But it won't be enough to get near New Orleans, the Lakers, Utah, or Houston. And it won't touch San Antonio, when Manu Ginobili gets back. It might be enough to put Denver in the playoffs, but that's about it. And that "it" will be paid handsomely through 2011.

Detroit's taking another chance, and though there's the possibility the team might whiff in free agency, it hardly matters. They've cleared cap space and developed even more options. If nothing happens this summer, then they can run the kids for a year before trying to clamp down on the 2010 free agent market. After all, only Tayshaun Prince ($11.1 million), Jason Maxiell (reportedly about $5 million), and the backcourt tandem of Stuckey and Aaron Afflalo (combined to make $4.7 million) will be on the books that summer.

Nobody, not even Joe Dumars or Iverson himself, will be able to anticipate what sort of impact his presence will have on this year's Pistons team. AI's game is that unique. But given the far-reaching implications of what this deal could do for Detroit, again, it hardly matters in the long run.

It's all dependent on Dumars making another series of good moves with his newfound options, but given the man's past, should we even doubt the man?

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  1. go_cubs
    1. Posted by go_cubs Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    I'm a Pistons fan, and I think this is a steal. Getting rid of McDyess is awesome, because he could retire in 1-2 years. And AI is much quicker than Billups and he is just an overall better player. GO PISTONS
  2. Kobe Bryant
    2. Posted by Kobe Bryant Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    Detroit Pistons Got The Better Deal
  3. Alex H
    3. Posted by Alex H Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:00 pm EDT

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    So who would be leading point for the Pistons? AI? Affalo? Stuckey?
  4. Matt
    4. Posted by Matt Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:26 pm EDT

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    seems to me like a good trade for both teams
  5. LaserFreak
    5. Posted by LaserFreak Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:04 pm EDT

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    5 th...lol
  6. stephen
    6. Posted by stephen Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 pm EDT

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    What the hell are the Nuggets front office folks thinking? Trade Carmello, Atkins, and Hunter to Detroit for Billups and McDyess. Someone needs to fire Karl as well!!!!
  7. Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments
    7. Posted by Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:08 pm EDT

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    gasp
  8. ......
    8. Posted by ...... Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:58 pm EDT

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    MARK IT UP!!! CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! Who knows, dice could come back after being bought out by the nuggets
  9. hova
    9. Posted by hova Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    wow I mean honestly I know there isnt a lot of air up there in Colorado but damn they choked on this one
  10. Melvin B
    10. Posted by Melvin B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    I disagree. There is an intagible called quality. The Pistons have made their mark as a good team. Basically no prima donnas and only one head case (Sheed). I hope I'm wrong. Iverson will now probably be their most talented player. But, can he blend in. Will he get arrested for carrying a gun? Will he feud with the coach? Too many question marks.
    Although he is a better player than Chauncy, I think the team is worse with him. Also, I think they will lose a lot by losing McDyse. Perhaps some of their younger players are developing enough to step in, but they are going to miss that extra big body on the floor. The Pistons have given up two quality people and they have gotten a major headache, I fear! I hope I'm wrong.
    Mel
  11. AJ
    11. Posted by AJ Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    Oh Yeah!!!! Everyone said Rasheeds attitude wouldn't fit in Detroit. Look what happened. He is one of the most important players on the team. Now you add an incredible scorer who isn't afraid to go toe to toe with anyone. Oh yeah, he can also handle the rock. The Pistons got a better deal than the Lakers did last year w/ Gasol.
  12. K-raem
    12. Posted by K-raem Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:53 pm EDT

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    that is very impressive managerial ability displayed by the Detroit Pistons front staff!
  13. Fan of AI big time
    13. Posted by Fan of AI big time Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    Im a big time AI fan and Im'a stick wit him werevr he goes...even though im still a big philly fan..and i think that for him, he also got the better end of the deal....now he's got 4-5 consistent players to compliment him and vice-versa...with him, rip, prince, maxiell and rasheed and also wit stuckey and afflalo comin off the bench, the pistons are bound to do good...cuz now they have someone who can lift them in games wer they're either struggling, or are outpaced
  14. domenick2x
    14. Posted by domenick2x Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:46 pm EDT

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    When Iverson's body completely disintegrates in midseason, it'll STILL be a great deal.
  15. RudeDog
    15. Posted by RudeDog Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    AI is a good move for Pistons and it can a steal, but if it does not work out... Joe has a ton of money to rebuild another championship team.
    On the darkside, AI is not a point guard but a shooting ..and the current offense/team is built around pass first point guard...can AI change?
  16. Ray J
    16. Posted by Ray J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:31 pm EDT

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    if it dont work this year, u still got a.i's and rasheed's money coming off the books at the end of the year. very smart move
  17. Guido
    17. Posted by Guido Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    Billups is more of point guard than Iverson, but not the scorer or passing lane specialist that Iverson was. Mello will got more shots, better hope he hits them because when he goes cold now so will the nuggets.
  18. NSX
    18. Posted by NSX Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:25 pm EDT

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    rodney stuckey = 2009 most improved player
  19. Pistonsd89
    19. Posted by Pistonsd89 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    I think we got jipped for this year, mcdyess was a great player and while we still have 4 good big men, injuries happen and depth is good. also now we dont have an actual point guard; stuckey is good but billups was an mvp/all-star/starting point guard. kelley dwyer even says that for this year we got jipped, tho not in as many words, just says everything good for detroit after this season and good for denver during this season which equates to us getting the bad deal for this season. kelly does make good points about dumars and our offseason tho... i just hate to see mr big shot leave
  20. mauipike
    20. Posted by mauipike Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:12 pm EDT

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    I actually thought it would help Denver more than it would help Detroit, at least in the near-term. Denver is in dire need of a true 1 and Billups fits that bill to a 'T'. He is also from the foothills so he is going home, so that should help him as well. It will help Melo and K-Mart because they now have a guard that will get them the ball where they can do the most damage.
    I think it was a good move and will help both teams.
  21. Ernest "Man of the People" E
    21. Posted by Ernest "Man of the People" E Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    Man Allen looks bummed in that photo, i'm pretty sure he didn't asked to be traded.
  22. thuryl s
    22. Posted by thuryl s Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:59 pm EDT

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    I think it's fair for both teams...
  23. Ernest "Man of the People" E
    23. Posted by Ernest "Man of the People" E Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    on the front page i mean.

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