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Frank Isola, NY Daily News: "Maybe Olympiakos should be changing its name to the Greece Knicks. The Greek club is not only pursuing Knicks guard Nate Robinson(notes), but according to a source, it has also contacted his teammate, forward David Lee(notes). It is unclear if Lee has received an offer or if he has interest in playing overseas. Lee's agent, Mark Bartelstein, would not confirm whether he had spoken to Olympiakos but Bartelstein said last night that he is confident that his client will play in the NBA next season. 'I've had a lot of dealings with Olympiakos over the years,' said Bartelstein, whose client, Jannero Pargo(notes), played for the Greek team last year. 'I'll never say never, but that's not where we're looking right now.' Bartelstein is still hopeful he can work out a deal for Lee, either with the Knicks or with another team through a sign-and-trade. Lee is looking for a deal that will pay him at least $10million annually. Bartelstein believes that is a fair asking price for a player who led the league in double-doubles."

Reuters: "Houston Rockets center Yao Ming(notes) has purchased his financially troubled former club the Shanghai Sharks, Chinese media reported on Thursday. The seven-time NBA All Star's investment company signed a framework agreement with the club's three co-owners who agreed to sell Yao all their shares in the club, Xinhua news agency said. 'I grew up in the city and became a professional player in this team, so I hope I can do something to help,' Yao was quoted as saying on Shanghai TV. The Sharks shared in the worst deficit in 14 years of the Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) last year and were in danger of failing to start the new season in November because of their dire finances. The 28-year-old Yao topped the Forbes list of the wealthiest Chinese entertainers with an estimated income of 388 million yuan ($56.81 million) in 2008."

Tim Cowlishaw, Dallas Morning News: "After talking to Bosh at his basketball camp at Greenhill Academy on Tuesday, I have to put him alongside LeBron and Dwyane in the 'no chance' club. There are multiple reasons, but No. 1 is that Bosh genuinely likes Toronto. Who wouldn't? It's a great cosmopolitan city. I guess if you are young and rich, even Sacramento looks good, but Toronto has clearly won over the pride of Dallas' Lincoln High. 'It probably took me two or three years, but I went there when I was 19,' said Bosh, who played one season at Georgia Tech after helping Lincoln to a state title. 'I was fresh out of college. I was used to roommates and guys knocking on the door, saying where the frat party was. But I love Toronto. And Toronto loves me.'"

Kerry Eggers, The Portland Tribune: "It has been reported that the sticking point on [Brandon] Roy's contract extension is the All-Star guard wants a player option on a fifth and final year. If that's the case and I'm Portland's general manager, I'm just fine with that. Here's why: Though maximum salary figures aren't known until the salary cap is set each year, this year's figure is at $13.4 million. If we use that as a starting point for a five-year Roy extension that would begin with the 2010-11 season, and give him the maximum 10.5 percent increase, it would get him to about $19 million the fifth year in 2014-15. In any market — and right now the NBA market is a combustible one — that's a lot of clams. Yes, Roy is the face of the Blazers, a good guy and the player most responsible for their upsurge. But in 2014, he'll be 30, with a lot more mileage on knees he has had trouble with in the past. Can you see why the Blazers might be at least a touch reluctant to make such a commitment?"

Richard Justice, Houston Chronicle: "I'm so far in the tank for the Rockets that I'm going to find a reason to like every move Daryl Morey makes. In this case, it's easy. David Andersen(notes) was the top center in Europe. No, that's not like being the smartest person in Lubbock. He's smart, mobile and a good passer. He can knock down jumpers, perhaps even 3-pointers, thus drawing opposing centers from the basket and opening up opportunities for others. He's below average defensively, maybe way below average. Surprised? You didn't think the Rockets were getting Dwight Howard(notes), did you? There are intangibles in there somewhere. Andersen's last seven teams have won championships, and Luis Scola(notes) is effusive in his praise. Rick Adelman wants to play fast, and Andersen can do that. Besides, every team needs an Aussie. Don't you love those accents? Does he make the Rockets a playoff team? No, he doesn't. All he does is turn a terrible, terrible summer into a somewhat better summer."

Darnell Mayberry, The Oklahoman: "General manager Sam Presti has had ongoing discussions with Desmond Mason’s(notes) agent regarding the possibility of re-signing the unrestricted free-agent forward and fan favorite. A deal, however, is not imminent and a potential agreement could take until the end of the summer to crystallize. But potentially complicating Mason’s return is Oklahoma City’s logjam on the wing positions. The Thunder already has Kevin Durant(notes) starting at small forward, No. 3 overall pick James Harden(notes) as a quality shooting guard and Thabo Sefolosha(notes), who was acquired in mid-February from Chicago and can play either wing position. The Thunder is also keeping its options open in the event that a better long-term alternative arises. Oklahoma City is more than $11 million under the salary cap and is proceeding cautiously to ensure it can take the most advantage of that asset."

Bill Ingram, HOOPSWORLD: "The buzz here in Las Vegas at the NBA Summer League is that the Los Angeles Clippers are close to signing aging NBA star Allen Iverson(notes) to a one-year contract for the team's MLE ($5.8 million). And while the impressive press corps gathered to see 21 NBA teams compete at UNLV's Thomas & Mack Center and Cox Pavillion are all talking about, few actually think it's a good idea. The reason is simple: we've now all seen Blake Griffin(notes) play. There was a collective moan when the Clippers won the NBA Draft Lottery, meaning they would land the highly-covered Griffin. The Clippers are one of the worst-run teams in the league, with a glut of underachieving big men and guards who don't understand the meaning of the word 'pass.' Far from being the fiery spark he was with the Golden State Warriors, Davis turned into a me-first player concerned more with his own stats than winning basketball games from the first moment he donned a Clippers uniform. Sure, he averaged 7.7 assists per game, but he also shot a telling 37% from the field, putting up his worst numbers since playing with the Charlotte Hornets during his first two years in the league."


Jason Jones, The Sacramento Bee: "The new coach took his boss' exuberance with a smile. Paul Westphal could only chuckle when asked about Kings co-owner Gavin Maloof's statement during the Web cast of Monday's NBA Summer League game that rookie Tyreke Evans(notes) would be the starting point guard 'as soon as he steps on the court.' Not so fast. Evans will be a big part of the Kings' plans this coming season. Westphal, however, hasn't committed to hand the team over to the prized rookie from Memphis. 'I read that too,' Westphal said. 'I think maybe Gavin might have gotten it mixed up with the regular season and summer league. ... I haven't made any pronouncement like that.' Westphal didn't dismiss the idea Evans could be the starter as he's been impressive during the summer league."

Jeff McDonald, S.A. Express-News: "A game after rookie DeJuan Blair(notes) showcased his rebounding freakishness in his summer-league debut, the Spurs opted to sit him in Tuesday's 78-76 victory over Denver. The official rationale: The Spurs already know what Blair can do. They wanted to see more from other bigs, like Ian Mahinmi(notes) and James Gist(notes). The Spurs also wanted to see how Blair's knees — which are famously without ACLs — responded to his first summer league game before playing him in his second. [...] Rumors abound that Blair, a second-round pick out of Pittsburgh, was held for contractual reasons. As in, he doesn't have one, and doesn't want to risk injury until he does. Unlike with first-round picks, Blair's contractual terms are not locked in by the league's collective bargaining agreement. As such, he is allowed to negotiate any asking price he wants. Blair, for his part, says he doesn't expect his contract to be an issue going forward. 'I'm going to be a Spur,' Blair said. 'They picked me. I'm just negotiating my contract right now. I plan on being a Spur for a long time.'"

Mark Murphy, Boston Herald: "Though the Celtics have not made an offer to Glen Davis(notes), the restricted free agent and his team may be drifting closer together thanks to NBA’s strapped economy. Though Davis is still hopeful of landing a mid-level-sized deal — one that starts at $5.8 million — the field is limited. Detroit, a team with clear interest, has $3.2 million to offer, and is reportedly hesitant to send Davis an offer sheet with the knowledge that the Celtics will gladly match that amount. The Pistons, rather than have their cash placed in limbo by the seven-day period the Celtics would have to match the offer, are instead pursuing other options. Three league sources close to negotiations confirmed that the Celtics explored a now-dead sign-and-trade deal that would have sent Davis to Miami in exchange for restricted free agent Jamario Moon(notes). The plan never got off the ground because both young players fall into a dreaded category known as base-year compensation."

Gil Lebreton, Ft. Worth Star Telegram: "So, how many Polish guys does it take to embarrass the Dallas Mavericks? Just one, as it turned out. Though clearly that didn’t seem to be Poland-born Marcin Gortat’s(notes) intention. By all accounts, Gortat wanted to be here. He wanted to take over the Mavericks’ starting center position. The Orlando Magic, we were led to believe, didn’t want to spend $34 million over five years to keep him. Ha. The joke is on the Mavericks. By matching the Mavericks’ offer sheet Monday, the Magic gets to keep Gortat, presumably to again back up star center Dwight Howard. But by not showing its cards beforehand, Orlando also loosened the Mavericks’ grip on free agent Brandon Bass(notes), enabling the Magic to sign him last week. The Mavericks had already penciled Gortat into next season’s rotation. The more minutes that Gortat logged, the thinking went, the fewer minutes that fans would have to watch Erick Dampier(notes) on the court. Thus, Gortat’s welcome grew overnight. But what was Orlando thinking, pledging $34 million to a still-green 25-year-old who may or may not get the chance to play?"

Joel Brigham, HOOPSWORLD: "When the Milwaukee Bucks decided to trade away Richard Jefferson(notes) one question immediately came to mind: Who's going to start at small forward for this team now? Perhaps Joe Alexander(notes) would creep into the minds of the ponderers, cautiously. After all, he barely averaged 12 minutes a game in his rookie season and only played in about three-quarters of the team's games. His 4.7 ppg scoring average hardly jumps out as notable, but at the end of the day, it looks like Alexander is it. He's the starting three. Bucks GM John Hammond didn't trip and fall into this situation. He knew exactly what he'd be left with when he traded Jefferson, and he is absolutely fine with it. 'It's not even so much just about R.J. being gone,' Hammond admits. 'Even if R.J. were still with us, Joe would still be out there. Why not be the aggressor?'" 

Gary Washburn, FanHouse: "The lightheartedness of the NBA summer league was halted Wednesday when Toronto's Ekene Ibekwe was hurt making a game-saving block during the Raptors' 74-73 win over the Phoenix Suns. Phoenix's Goran Dragic(notes) drove in the final seconds and his layup attempt was blocked by Ibekwe, who was undercut by Dragic. Ibekwe's chin crashed to the floor. Ibekwe was immobilized and taken off the court in a stretcher and rushed to a UMC Medical Center. He did not sustain any serious injuries, but it is uncertain if he will play in the remaining game for the Raptors."

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  1. JM Silk
    1. Posted by JM Silk Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:05 am EDT

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    The only reason Baron Davis shot so poorly in LA is because most of his team mates were injured. When 1 player has to carry a team and the opposing team knows this, then all they have to do is double team Davis and he will be forced to take up terrible shots. Look at what happened to Jamal Crawford last year, people were saying his shot selection was terrible, but when you have starting line up of CJ Watson, Crawford, Azabuke, Randolph, Biedrins... Who else is going to score?! Who is the leader in that line up? THis is why I think shooting percentage is VERY misleading...
  2. NBA Man
    2. Posted by NBA Man Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:17 am EDT

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    He shouldnt join
    the olympiakos are like the celtics
    get the great and win big!!!
  3. hans k
    3. Posted by hans k Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:18 pm EDT

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    Panathinaikos still will be better then Olympiakos! Teamplay is the key over here in Europe, Pao is a team and have the best coach in Europe. Diamantidis, Pekovic and Spanoulis are to strong for Olympiakos.
  4. The Devil
    4. Posted by The Devil Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:30 pm EDT

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    JM - The Warriors had plenty of options. Even when Jackson, Maggette, and Ellis were on the floor Crawford was jacking up wild 3's. That's the way the Warriors play though. As for Baron Davis, that excuse doesn't fly. He's always been a chucker and last year he was unhappy with the team and took his act to a whole new level. He took 58 shots in back to back games last year with Thornton, Gordon, and Zach Randolph all active. Thornton and Gordon combined only got 50 shots in those games. That means your point guard, who had only 13 total assists, took 8 more shots than two of your other starters combined. Zach Randolph had 52 shots in those games, but he also had a ridiculous 13 offensive rebounds, most of them off of Davis's misses.
  5. The Devil
    5. Posted by The Devil Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:32 pm EDT

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    Can anyone familiar with Euroleague explain to me why Olympiakos is the only one trying to buy up a bunch of NBA players?
  6. Cotton Piquer
    6. Posted by Cotton Piquer Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:58 pm EDT

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    JM Silk
    You need to check the career stats of Baron Davis. Davis has been one of the worst shooting PG's in NBA history.
    And has led his team in FGA several times while shooting barely over 40%. That makes Baron a BallHog, and a certified bricklayer. His inability to throw it in the ocean if he were in a rowboat in the middle of it , has nothing to do with his teammates.
    Devil is leslie d
    O I C, you have started using my explanations for a player being a BallHog. You find that it works, and tells the true story. Why don't you use Real Truth & Logic when you are typing about kobe-me?
  7. Carlo
    7. Posted by Carlo Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:34 pm EDT

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    Can someone explain to me why the hell Ricky Rubio is so coveted and revered by NBA GMs. I didn't see him do nothing against the USA in the Olympics last summer.
    All the best PGs come from this side of the pond, what makes him so special?
    Anyway Baron davis never was a PG to begin with that's just where the Hornets stuck him. He is a combo guard with the ability to pass, but the desire to shoot, then shoot, then shoot some more. So I'm not surprised by his FG%.
    If he were to instead set up Throton and Gordon, while still feeding the post his FG% would go up to 45% easily, but as I said his desire is to shoot, shoot, shoot. I think that's the real reason he left GS.
    Between him and Ellis they could build a new arena with jumpshots.
  8. steve
    8. Posted by steve Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:46 pm EDT

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    The magic still look really dumb paying a backup, 8-12 minute a night guy, 5+ million per season to play. It just doesn't make much logical sense...
  9. Yusef
    9. Posted by Yusef Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:52 pm EDT

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    Good riddens to David Lee! He is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He will never help an NBA team to a title. We need more players like him who want to be overpayed to go to Europe.
  10. Marty
    10. Posted by Marty Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:21 pm EDT

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    If Odom who's already proven himself can't get $10 mil than what makes Lee think he can? Andersen makes the Rockets interesting though still lottery bound. Desmond Mason to the Thunder...nuts is the word for that given the level of existing talent. The Clippers would be better off without Iverson he's just another Baron Davis like guard (Please let Taylor start...use Davis or Iverson assuming he signs as a backup). Glenn Davis is overrated and will always be overrated. Let's see Gortat or Bass...no brainer they should have kept Bass...but even the Mavs owner Cuban errs on occassion.
  11. M2
    11. Posted by M2 Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:40 pm EDT

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    Hey Steve,
    Orlando made a good move with Gortat for several reasons. One, he;s insurance in case Dwight gets hurt. Two, he;s a great trade chip. Go back since the NBA was born and note that all BA teams always overpay centers. This case is no different. Why? Because there are never enough quality centers in the league.
    While Dwight gets all the props for his defensive athleticism and monster shot blocking ability, Gortat is an excellent defender. Even his coach, Van Gundy, has stated that Gortat plays better position defense than Dwight, rotates better on defense, and does a better job of defending the pick and roll. . So he is a superb backup, something that most teams do not have at the center position. They are also going to give him minutes at power forward with Hedo gone.
    The Laker's size and length bothered Orlando in the finals (as it bothered all the teams the Lakers played). As a result, Cleveland got bigger in the off season as did other Eastern Conference Teams. Subtracting Gortat's length would not help Orlando in the playoffs. And remember the great game Gortat had during the playoffs when Howard was suspended.
    Gortat filled in for Howard in the Game 6 clincher against Philadelphia in the opening round after Orlando's All-Star was suspended, adding a few powerful dunks that earned him the nickname the "Polish Hammer" from teammates. He also had a pair of blocks on Cleveland's LeBron James in the conference finals, and he saw his minutes increase in the Finals because of the size of the Los Angeles Lakers.
    Orlando has gone over the luxury cap in an all-out effort to win the title next year. They have prevented other teams from getting Gortat, like the Mavs and the Rockets. And he is great trade bait in 2010. Centers are always overpaid, that's the way it is in the NBA, as t is the toughest position to fill. Teams that want to win (see Lakers over the cap) do things like this.
  12. ASGisChillin
    12. Posted by ASGisChillin Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:10 pm EDT

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    #1 you're trippin. I'm not saying what you wrote couldnt be true but much more likely is that Baron is an average shooter. his fg% for his career is 40%, meaning the guy is hardly a knock down shooter. as a warrior fan who watched him for those years when he was here, its clear that his percentage would be higher if he didnt take so many bad shots, particularly bad step back 3 point shots. he hits those shots occasionally which reinforces his desire to take them which is not a good thing. the reality is that he is a volume shooter and will probably always be.
    the only validity to your argument is that its true he didnt have anyone around. but that doesnt automatically make him a worse shooter percentage wise it makes him a guy more likely to throw up a higher number of bad shots. still though, even under those circumstances the guy is still a career 40% shooter meaning he would likely be close to that number whether surrounded by good or bad players. comparing him to crawford, another career 40% shooter only reinforces my point that even on good teams these guys would still struggle to be much above 40%.
    and to the guy who said David lee is overrated, you're trippin too. The guy is a double double machine who plays hard, rebounds and defends and doesnt require a lot of shots. he would fit in well as a solid role player on a good team. the reason he hasnt been signed is because teams dont want to pay him 10 mil a season for that, which I can understand. But he is a good player and not just because of the stats.
  13. hans k
    13. Posted by hans k Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:58 pm EDT

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    # 5, I've been to the last three Euroleague finals and been in Athems three times watching Basketball (Olympics and Panathinaikos). Olympiakos' main rival is Panathinaikos. In basketball, in soccer even in womensvolleyball.. Panathinaikos has won two of the last three Euroleague titels and the last 7 or 8 Greek titles. Their both from athens and the Olympiakos fans demand that they will win, so they spend lots of money on NBA-players.
  14. JM Silk
    14. Posted by JM Silk Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:05 pm EDT

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    The Devil: It was almost impossible for Jackson, Maggette, and Ellis, Crawford to be on the floor at the same time? Ellis missed most of the season with the injury, Jackson was often injured and Magette came off the bench. So, this was not their starting lineup.. Jackson missed 23 games last year, Magette 32 games, 57games... Now you can't tell me this team was a complete team. The W's only had their perspective 5 starters play together in 12 games last season. And that was not a healthy 5 either . Yeah and Davis line in those 2 games 54pts, 14 assists, 2 steals, 12 rebounds, what is Davis suppose to do when Thornton and Gordon is a combined 10-27 combines 22 pts while Davis scores 27.. Like I state AGAIN, when the rest of your team is not playing well, someone (usually a Veteran)has to CARRY the team will be forced to take more shots...
  15. JM Silk
    15. Posted by JM Silk Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:12 pm EDT

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    Hugh, which "good" team did Crawford play for again? I know you weren't talking about the Knicks...
  16. sportsnut888
    16. Posted by sportsnut888 Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:37 pm EDT

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    Davis is most effective when he's taking it to the hole, because of his strength. Has always been a marginal outside shooter, and given injury history, looks like he decided he wasn't going to risk it last year and settled for the 3's.
    When he was with the W's, was willing to take it to the hole and get the foul. System fit him, and I wondered why he signed with LAC since Coach Dunleavy likes to walk it up the floor and play half court. Doesn't play to Baron's strengths.
    Sounds like he needs to trust team mates, but at same time team mates need to deliver, which was not the case far too often last season.
    Baron and AI would be interesting, since both need to have the ball to be effective.
    I also agree, that David Lee not worth $10M per year, given his overall stats.
  17. robble donnert
    17. Posted by robble donnert Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:19 pm EDT

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    putting allen iverson on the clippers with blake griffin is like picking miss america, putting a tiarra on her head, handing her flowers and then giving her a nice big juicey hickey on her neck. he played his way out of philly, denver and detroit all in a row. he will make over 10 million less than any of those places. it is wishful thinking he will change.
  18. Raynel S
    18. Posted by Raynel S Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Sacramento Kings should sign Allen Iverson or other big time stars that are available. We need big time stars to sell tickets and possible make the playoffs. it seem The kings are only drafting youngees. We need to mix it up.
  19. The Devil
    19. Posted by The Devil Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:20 am EDT

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    Cotton- I am not leslie d. I was on here all last season, even scored in a couple of create-a-captions. Leslie may be a strong supporter of the Lakers, I don't really know. I dislike Kobe greatly. I don't think he should have won the MVP. He was the same player during the years they struggled as he was last year. The difference maker was Gasol. However, Kobe's shooting percentages are higher than Davis's, and he's expected to shoot as much as he does. I especially enjoyed the slow-motion commercial of Kobe that they showed during the playoffs where he takes a shot over 3 defenders to win a game. In the background you can see Luke Walton standing there wide open not even expecting the ball.
    JM - Davis only had 7 rebounds and 13 assists in those games. Thornton and Gordon shot a combined 13 for 23 in the second game, which you failed to mention. So, in 2 games Davis was 22 for 58, or 37.9%, while Thornton/Gordon were 23 for 50, or 46%. Yeah, sounds to me like he should've passed more.
  20. MANOLIS M
    20. Posted by MANOLIS M Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:30 am EDT

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    Olympiakos is the best club in ALL sports in Greece! for bascetball team it has two brothers for President crazy for it and are full with money!!! but look out because these brothers know about basketball and NBA!! so no agent can fool them!! if the want CriptoNate they will get him in no time!!!! despite if he wants to stay in america!!! be aware for 2010 were Lebron James will be Free Agent!!!!

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