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It's a barroom/barbershop argument with legs. And those gams? They can really turn heads. It's the rare hypothetical worth working over. It's something worth discussing, if you'd like me to get to the point.

Kobe Bryant(notes), Tim Duncan(notes), and Shaquille O'Neal(notes) all have four NBA championship rings. With each player securely placed on a championship contender, heading into 2009-10, which star do we see getting his fifth ring first?

Each owns sound arguments in their favor.

Bryant, arguably, is on the best team. He has the best supporting unit in the game. He's a month removed from picking up that fourth ring, and despite his 30 (soon to be 31) years of age, he's hardly on the downside of his career. In fact, he's peaking, and he's got a Pau Gasol(notes) on his side. To say nothing of a Phil Jackson, and a competitive spirit that few in NBA history can match.

His former teammate, the loquacious Mr. O'Neal, is on the downside of his career. And though his new team in Cleveland can't boast the sort of depth Kobe can rely on from teammates 1-through-15, O'Neal does get to play second fiddle to the best player in the game. And Shaq, as is his custom, won't let that fact go unmentioned. Over, and over, again.

Tim Duncan, as has always been the case, takes a quieter tone. His supporting cast resembles the game he's most comfortable with. Reserved. Talented. Fundamentally-driven. Efficient. Dangerous. Title-worthy. The guy is so good, his team is so great, that we can barely get in one word before the sentence ends itself.

So who gets to five first? Remember, this isn't an argument bred to determine who would be the best player amongst the three. Though it isn't a huge advantage, Kobe probably takes the honor, at this point.

It's a team game, and we're trying to guess at which crew seems the most fit for pulling in a title. It doesn't even have to be in 2010, and while we're at it, Shaq (a free agent one year from now) doesn't even have to be a Cleveland Cavalier while grabbing that fifth Lawrence O'Brien Trophy.

If pressed, I'd have to put my money on Bryant. His team is so good, even if Lamar Odom(notes) is "forced" to head elsewhere. He has the right system, motivation should not be a problem, and Gasol's presence just seems to vault him over the top, to me.

O'Neal could get it together, though. He could reprise his role as second banana, something he did quite well for a Miami Heat team that won the 2006 championship, clearing spaces and dunking in faces as LeBron James(notes) earns his first Finals win.

Duncan has no issues working as the second or even third banana. He's two years removed from a 2007 win that saw him clear the lane for a driving Tony Parker(notes), and he's never had any issues letting Manu Ginobili(notes) work his magic while TD mans the boards and defends like mad.

There are arguments, individually-based, for why all three could fall short. Bryant could let his scoring instincts get the best of him, and shoot his Lakers out of any sort of offensive rhythm. O'Neal could show up to camp out of shape, or act as a defensive sieve on a team that badly needs him to patrol the paint. Duncan's wheels, as he enters next year's playoffs at age 34, could fall off.

And the Boston Celtics and Orlando Magic, two teams that have as good a title shot as any, could render this entire discussion worthless.

But before that happens, let's hear your thoughts. Kobe, TD, and Diesel all have four. Who gets to five, first? 


Who will be the first to grab his fifth ring?

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  1. tony f
    1. Posted by tony f Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:04 pm EDT

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    kobe
  2. Juan
    2. Posted by Juan Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:20 pm EDT

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    dwight gets his first!
  3. EazyE
    3. Posted by EazyE Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:24 pm EDT

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    It's gotta be Kobe because as good as the Lakers were this past season, there is still room for upside in the form of Bynum and the PGs who didnt show up consistently throughout the season. The other teams haven't done enough - yet - to replace LA at the top of the list. Now if SA or CLE gets Sheed/McDyess or make any equivalent upgrade then this issue should be revisited
  4. Smart_People_Fear_Me
    4. Posted by Smart_People_Fear_Me Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:26 pm EDT

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    None of the above. And are they going to have 2 balls in play in Cleveland for Shaq and LeBron? Orlando or Boston in 2010.
  5. EazyE
    5. Posted by EazyE Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:26 pm EDT

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    I forgot to add ORL to the list. They probably should be ahead of Cleveland unless the Cavs can sign a wing player - Marion?
  6. GoSuns623AZ
    6. Posted by GoSuns623AZ Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:37 pm EDT

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    Shaq... gotta give it to lebron... he puts shaq and the cavs over the top.....
  7. Anton
    7. Posted by Anton Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:41 pm EDT

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    Right now, Kobe has the best chance. End, Shaq in a somewhat weak east, then Duncan because the west is quite tough for the Spurs more than the Lakers. I am rooting for the Spurs though.
  8. Geraldba
    8. Posted by Geraldba Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:42 pm EDT

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    shaquille. cleveland will add another free agent.
  9. bigjake
    9. Posted by bigjake Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:46 pm EDT

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    duncan gets it next year. as long as manu stays healthy and with the addition of jefferson. Who doesn't love that corp of 4 players. manu, parker, td and jefferson. That rivals the lakers talent in my opinion
  10. bigjake
    10. Posted by bigjake Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:46 pm EDT

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    and i'm a cavs fan. lol. still think duncan gets it
  11. xavier
    11. Posted by xavier Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:47 pm EDT

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    What the hell's a "Lawrence O'Brien" trophy?!
  12. Cuban Magic
    12. Posted by Cuban Magic Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:04 pm EDT

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    Tim Duncan.
  13. gque24
    13. Posted by gque24 Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:12 pm EDT

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    Kobe and Lakers are in place to compete for Finals for the next 2-4 yrs with their roster; especially if they can get LO back. Either way Cavs are palying for 1 year only and Celtics will not be getting back to the Finals, because the Magic are still the Team to beat in the East.
    Kobe is the best out of Shaq & Duncan = Kobe has not lost his game like both Duncan and Oneal has. Kobe has more titles to earn to solidify his rightful place in NBA history. 1-5 Hall of Fame Players Kobe will go down in once he achieves 2-3 more Chips & Rings. Lets go LA LA land. The time is now Go HArd.
  14. rap34fan
    14. Posted by rap34fan Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:14 pm EDT

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    All my Tim Duncan supporters stand up!
  15. shadowdog87
    15. Posted by shadowdog87 Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:19 pm EDT

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    Tim Duncan will get his 5th first (next year), but Kobe will retire with at least 6.
  16. mike
    16. Posted by mike Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:19 pm EDT

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    Kobe especially since he now has ron artest enuff said
  17. JORDAN POOPS
    17. Posted by JORDAN POOPS Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:23 pm EDT

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    The big man on the left!!!! GO CAVS!!!!
  18. Anton
    18. Posted by Anton Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:23 pm EDT

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    #15 - you can't compare Kobe to two 7 footers. Different bodies. Different times of declines and Kobe is great but he only has a few more years left. If the Lakers could take the pressure off of him to carry the team, he'd have more.
  19. LOTUS
    19. Posted by LOTUS Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:26 pm EDT

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    i'm a heat fan but my bet is on shaquille to bring it
  20. Wee for 3!
    20. Posted by Wee for 3! Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:43 pm EDT

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    Kobe and D. Fish will have a fist full of rings at the years end, 5 to be exact. One big reason why Timmy/Spurs will not get their 5th: Richardson is fools gold and the sun sets on Hollywood, not on San Antonio each evening. Besides the sun never shining on Cleveland, Cleveland's hope goes the best and worst reason why Cleveland will not be ring bound is Shaq himself.
  21. marcello s
    21. Posted by marcello s Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:46 pm EDT

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    keep on dreaming people there's a new generation of teams that are going to destroy the clevelame caballeros, and they are the magics, celtics, and their own players fat Shaq, and lechoke james with their so called pathetic and lame pre game shows. Grabbing media attention is not good enough to real nba fans if you caanot back it up with rings. Shaq, you are done, and lechoke, you are going to be a great player like barkley and malone. Steve Nask knows that. Go lakers! Ha ha ha! Artest, odom, gasol, bynum, kobe, d-fisher, brown, and our best kept secret draft pic enolu. That's a real good team. Believe that!
  22. Wee for 3!
    22. Posted by Wee for 3! Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:52 pm EDT

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    Revision on Cleveland's entry: The best and worst reason why they will not be ring bound in June; Shaq himself.
  23. marcello s
    23. Posted by marcello s Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:54 pm EDT

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    I would say kobe and the lakers, but CHOKE CAVS!
  24. Leighton
    24. Posted by Leighton Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:00 pm EDT

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    KD you are awesome.
  25. LIL ERIC
    25. Posted by LIL ERIC Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:01 pm EDT

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    yah and tim duncan hasnt lost in the finals like kobe has.
    tim duncan still averages 20 and 10
    duncan is the best overall player and leader since jordan
    a true leader not a guy like kobe that wants to get traded if hes not winning
    shaq i hope he dosent win another one espically in clevland with queen james
    spurs 2010 baby
    5th title
    F the MAVS

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