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Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:40 pm EDT

On David Robinson

It would seem to smack in the face of someone's well-earned, championship, Hall of Fame legacy to try and attempt a career-defining column on the subject that deals almost entirely with how the Hall of Famer in question was unlucky to miss out on the prevailing sense of martyrdom that we tend to associate with current NBA stars in the over-exposed, Internet age.

It seems a smack in the face of all tenets of responsible journalism and storytelling to start off a column with a ridiculous lede like that, but considering what else that's been churned out this week; I figure I have a pass. At least until Monday.

David Robinson never got a break, literally and figuratively, until he broke his foot. He never got a team, either, until he was on the down side of his career. And then, not only did he get a team, but he got a teammate that was better than him. By that teammate's second season, it was enough to lead his team to the championship. With Robinson as a clear second-fiddle.

Boo-hoo, right? Blessed with a 7-2 frame, superior smarts, athleticism, hops, dexterity, flat-topness. We should feel bad for him that he had to wait a decade before winning a ring?

Well, yeah. We felt bad for Kevin Garnett(notes), and rightfully so. Felt bad for Paul Pierce(notes), for Allen Iverson(notes), for Elton Brand(notes). Even felt bad for the guys on great teams — Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber(notes) — who just fell short. And we should throw a little fit for Robinson, too.

His teams weren't lottery-awful, but this brilliant, brilliant player kept these really, really substandard teams in the playoffs — deep into the playoffs — just about every year.

His second fiddle, for so long, was Sean Elliott — a clear number three if I ever saw one. In fact, I remember the first rumblings about Elliott perhaps being better served as a third-option before the 1996-97 season started, and it was almost sacrilege. Elliott's a star! A third option? Well, yeah. Nothing against Sean, he was a hell of a player and a dogged competitor, but he's been overrated to a point.

1996-97 didn't matter, anyway. The season started with Bob Hill as Spurs coach — it shouldn't have started with Bob Hill as Spurs coach — and GM Gregg Popovich drew deserved criticism for firing Hill the day that Robinson (on the shelf with a foot injury) came back for his first game of the season with the Spurs at 3-15. It looked pretty callous, it was, and it was Pop's great mistake to not fire Hill six months earlier. It would be his last mistake.

Robinson busted his foot again a few games later, and missed the rest of the year. The Spurs lucked into Tim Duncan(notes), TD had to play understudy to Robinson during his rookie year, and you know the rest.

But do you remember what came before that? Before the Hill brouhaha, before the "tanking!" cat-calls. Before Tim Duncan supposedly saved David Robinson's career?

You had a center playing a ridiculous brand of basketball, on both ends. Averaging well over 25 a game. Heaps of rebounds, tons of blocks. Brilliant in all areas. Hell, in 1994, Robinson averaged over 40 minutes a game and ... you just don't get that from centers, anymore. The genius that is The Painted Area did a fantastic job detailing this a few days ago, but it deserves to be re-read. Robinson was so, so good.

And he had so, so little help.

Avery Johnson. We love him, we admire him, but he was probably best served as a backup. Same with Vinny Del Negro, minus a bit of the love. Elliott, we've discussed. Dennis Rodman?

Look, there aren't many basketball players I miss more than D-Rod. There aren't any, actually. He knew how to play the game. He was tough as hell. He took elbows from Shaq to the face, and laughed. Dennis had some issues, but he won games.

But as a San Antonio Spur? Despite some jaw-dropping stats, he was also a selfish lout who was undergoing some major personal issues at a time when the Spurs needed him to focus on basketball. That's OK. We can have it both ways, here. Dennis is to be commended for working through his issues, however publically, and the Spurs are correct to expect Rodman's mind to be where it should be.

Could John Lucas(notes), Hill, and Pop have handled him better; both on court and off? Sure. Could Dennis have handled himself better? Definitely. Meanwhile, David Robinson's over there, in his prime, tapping his foot. Waiting for the kids to figure it all out while D-Rob is saying "please" and "thank you" and dropping 30 a game.

And then, yes, Robinson gets spun like a fool by Hakeem Olajuwon. The Spurs never win. Rodman leaves, and wins. Robinson gives an interview to Sports Illustrated that makes it seem as if basketball isn't the most important thing in his life (shock, horror!). Then he breaks his foot, Duncan shows up, and the legacy is defined.

That's OK. I'm cool with that sort of legacy, and I'm pretty sure Robinson is as well. As it was with John Stockton, with Michael Jordan, he just doesn't care what we think. He knows he tried, he knows how good he was, how faulty his teams (in just about every organizational facet) could be, and two rings will always help things go down a little smoother.

I'm just asking you to dig a little deeper. Don't limit your memories of the guy to that trophy he had to hoist up with TD, or that embarrassing May. Don't look at those 50-win seasons as some sort of birthright. Understand what this man had to do to get there. Understand what he put in, when few were watching.

Understand just how special a player David Robinson was. He deserves that much, from us. He's earned it.

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  1. ASGisChillin
    1. Posted by ASGisChillin Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:01 pm EDT

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    he was a special player, no doubt about that but he always lacked one thing. the killer instinct. the reality was that he didnt have that extra edge of competitive toughness to win the tough batteles against equally matched guys like hakeem. yeah he didnt have great players around him, but they were solid. solid enough to at least get to the finals, sorta like Lebron a couple years ago. that team had some very average guys around Lebron but because of his brilliance and unwillingness to lose they made it there over seemingly better teams (like the pistons). david robinson needed Tim Duncan because timmy possesses the killer instinct. That was clear in timmy's first season where i watched him get hot down the stretch of a playoff game and knew i was watching a future star. he wanted the ball and he was dominating. i always felt like david robinson shrunk a little from those moments. any great athlete can play well but superior players play the best when it counts most and that is usually not due to their athletic ability. its due to an intangible, a je ne sais quois for the tony parkers out there. that intangible, in my ind, is a mental edge, a competitive toughness. jordan possessed more of it than anyone else i've ever watched. thats why he never lost the big games. kobe has it too but not as much which is why most of the time he doesnt lose the big games. but david robinson always lacked it. does it make him any less of a hall of famer? no. but it also means that you cant put him up there with the greats. the greates led their team, sometimes of average teammates, to the mountaintop and the reality is that david robinson never did that.
  2. ASGisChillin
    2. Posted by ASGisChillin Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:01 pm EDT

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    he was a special player, no doubt about that but he always lacked one thing. the killer instinct. the reality was that he didnt have that extra edge of competitive toughness to win the tough battles against equally matched guys like hakeem. yeah he didnt have great players around him, but they were solid. solid enough to at least get to the finals, sorta like Lebron a couple years ago. that team had some very average guys around Lebron but because of his brilliance and unwillingness to lose they made it there over seemingly better teams (like the pistons). david robinson needed Tim Duncan because timmy possesses the killer instinct. That was clear in timmy's first season where i watched him get hot down the stretch of a playoff game and knew i was watching a future star. he wanted the ball and he was dominating. i always felt like david robinson shrunk a little from those moments. any great athlete can play well but superior players play the best when it counts most and that is usually not due to their athletic ability. its due to an intangible, a je ne sais quois for the tony parkers out there. that intangible, in my ind, is a mental edge, a competitive toughness. jordan possessed more of it than anyone else i've ever watched. thats why he never lost the big games. kobe has it too but not as much which is why most of the time he doesnt lose the big games. but david robinson always lacked it. does it make him any less of a hall of famer? no. but it also means that you cant put him up there with the greats. the greates led their team, sometimes of average teammates, to the mountaintop and the reality is that david robinson never did that.
  3. Christopher C
    3. Posted by Christopher C Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:53 pm EDT

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    This is a great commentary about a guy who kept basketball relevant in San Antonio.
    Great Player.
  4. OJ is Innocent
    4. Posted by OJ is Innocent Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:26 pm EDT

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    What a winner. Even though I'm a Mavs fan, I would've loved to have seen Robinson play. I think its the quiet yet competitive guys like David Robinson who, though not always winning, always keep a good attitude and thus keep the game great.
  5. Henry Y
    5. Posted by Henry Y Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    ASGisChillin- I am wondering, is it good to have a center with killer instinct? The game they play does not require a killer instinct- they can't shoot threes, they cannot disrupt the opposing team with their technique or speed, they just need to guard the rim, rebound, pass, pick and roll, and maybe score. I say "just", but the truth is that a lot of centers in the league right now can barely do half of the tasks I've written about them.
    Robinson was the prototypical center, and he served that function extremely well. Please name me one center that had this "killer instinct"!
    Though I appreciate the talented, young players of this era, the 90's basketball was a special time- though Jordan made basketball popular, basketball was lucky enough to have as many great players as it did during the same time- Barkley, Ewing, Olajuwon, Malone, Stockton, Pippen, O'Neal, and many more. Robinson definitely deserves his place in the HOF, championship or not, for his consistently sound play and his great character- one of the classiest guys to ever play the game.
  6. Steven
    6. Posted by Steven Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:51 pm EDT

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    I watched a game earlier of Robinsons on NBA TV vs. the Pistons. Dude had a Quad double. 34 points 15 boards 10 assists and 10 blocks (Not sure on the boards number). Also in that game he had a huge play where the guy missed a layup and Robinson came flying down the lane and soared over everyone and threw it down. That right then was when i realized how dominant and great Robinson was. Hes up there with Shaq, Hakeem, Zo, and the other centers from the 90's. He's just as good if not better. and a class act to boot. Whatta guy and a person who 100% deserves to be in the hall of fame.
  7. Cobra
    7. Posted by Cobra Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    Why is all this hoopla about a second rate has been and never was. Give him props for serving in the Navy, however he was nowhere near the greatest center to play for a TX team, Hakeem Olajuwon was by far more superior with the ball in is hands and overall. The Dream never gets credit for anything he did, he played in the Jordan era, grant it he won his rings when Jordan retired. Hakeem can be arguably be the best center of all time, I don't even know if he's in the HOF, he schooled The Admiral all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. rmcgee59
    8. Posted by rmcgee59 Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:03 pm EDT

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    David Robinson is one of the classiest athletes of our generation. He was a great, great player; but he was also a smart, humble, well-spoken gentleman who never had one iota of scandal in his life -- on or off court. In this age, with every sentence and every action minutely covered by an insatiable media, it's nice to have a really good man who also happens to be a great athlete. That's who David Robinson is.
  9. rdalchemy
    9. Posted by rdalchemy Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:12 pm EDT

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    Hakeem was great but his reputation was built on 4 good years, and the one playoff when he elevated his game and discovered his spin move jumper. David was a great player and took Shaq's lunch the first few years he was in the league. You have to mention Shaq when you talk overrated. Until he started running over people without getting called, he was an average big man.
  10. hhgingham
    10. Posted by hhgingham Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:53 pm EDT

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    great comment rdalchemy. Even though I disagree that Shaq was an average big man. He still is a great center but through those years Shaq was in LA I would always get enraged watching Shaq in the playoffs. The refs just let the guy lower his shoulder and run over people. no way to stop a big guy like that when he can take the ball , elbow you in the mouth and run you over. A part of me always wanted to see a little guy like Stockton take his legs out from underneath him when he was in the air so he would land on his head. (shouldnt think that way but oh well) At least Robinson and Hakeem had moves around the basket that were not dirty and could shoot free throws.
  11. ryodaddy
    11. Posted by ryodaddy Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:05 pm EDT

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    Great read!! I miss Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood!
  12. Darrick W
    12. Posted by Darrick W Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:22 pm EDT

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    I'm not sure why anyone on this earth would rip Mr. Robinson.....this is a guy who took a pay cut and a step back just for the sake of Tim Duncan's development, what player in any sport in the last 10 years has done that?No killer instinct????...please....years before Duncan came along Mr. Robinson got the job the done....I remember his first year in the NBA and his 1st game against Patrick Ewing (my favorite player of all time by the way)Before they outlawed the lowering of the shoulder into another player,Thats all Pat did to him in David's rookie year....I remember that game like it was yesterday cuz Ewing was just straight doing him bad underneath.By the time Mr.Robinson's 2nd year rolled around my fav player Ewing couldn't dominate him like that anymore cuz he got better at his game.........for goodness sakes give Mr Robinson the props he deserves and stop ripping him cuz he made sacrifices for the game and Tim Duncan that are still unprecedented to this day.....I remember.
  13. Boom
    13. Posted by Boom Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    The truth is alot of centers have a killer instinct. They just dont have the skill to execute. Either that or they stay in foul trouble because they're over aggressive. Anytime someone scores 73 points in an NBA game like David Robinson did, his instinct is automatically killer in my book. It's like Kelly said, he didn't get any superstar talent until The Big Bank Shot was drafted.
  14. Boom
    14. Posted by Boom Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    My bad 71 points
  15. Joey
    15. Posted by Joey Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

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    skeets amazing after all your ball huggin that you could still leave out the most points he scored in a game.....shesh.....you always type on alot of moot half points and forget alot of accolades...but somehow i still read half of what you write.....stop tryna make it a 6th grade essay to mom and actually do some research instead of being lazy like me and putting together halfstats..aka a heap of rebounds......poor david...his first spotlight by a sloppy reporter
  16. Joey
    16. Posted by Joey Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:53 pm EDT

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    http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/robinson_71_points.html
    Spurs highlight of him scoring 71 points in one game....with less than 10 dunks the whole game
  17. rocky63215
    17. Posted by rocky63215 Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    Cobra check the facts. Head to Head the Rockets and Spurs squared off 42 times with Robinson and Olajuwon. Robinson and the Spurs held a record of 30-12 against the Olajuwon's Houston Rockets.
    So head to head record wise Robinson has Olajuwon beat.
    Olajuwon has the two highest scoring games 47 and 45.
    Both Olajuwon and Robinson had a contest of blocking nine shots. Robinson has the second most with eight.
    Robinson had games where he had seven steals and another game with six steals.
    Olajuwon had a game of nine assists and a game with seven assists.
    Robinson had a high of 19 rebounds and another game with 18.
    Robinson had the higher field goal percentage, higher three point percentage each shot more than five threes against each other, and Olajuwon shot better from the free throw line.
    As you can see Robinson had the superior stats to Olajuwon when going up against each other. Just because you see one play where Olajuwon completely faked out Robinson doesn't mean that Olajuwon was better.
    Robinson was better end of story.
  18. sventhedog
    18. Posted by sventhedog Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    no question about his accomplishments. it's just that he is way too nice. it makes you sick some times. but i must say he is definitely a great player.
  19. willy g
    19. Posted by willy g Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    It looks like we got ourselves a hater named Cobra. "second rate and never was...." huh? Not many pros get honors such as Rookie of the Year, MVP, Defensive player of the Year, 10 year NBA All-Star, NBA champion. The list goes on and on. Cobra just doesn't seem to have a grasp on reality. Hakeem tore it up in the 1995 West Finals. Agreed. Overall, Hakeem had only about 4-5 quality years in him and his candle burned bright no doubt. The Rockets won it in 1994&1995 because Jordan RETIRED. Jordan came back and won it 3 straight years. Had Jordan been around during the Rockets two year title run, then the Rockets would never have had an NBA title. Many people echo that opinion as well. Jordan was the BEST EVER. But to discredit Robinson's career accomplishments because of Hakeem's two year Jordan-less title runs is about as nutty as a $hit house rat. Besides, when Hakeem started to slip the Rockets dumped him like used car with a bad engine. Robinson retired as a CURRENT NBA champion in 2003 and he contributed effectively until he retired. When all is said and done, people will remember Robinson's accomplishments WAY more than the Dream's. Dream was good and could definitely handle the Admiral, but the Dream never Accomplished what Robinson was able to accomplish. So lay off and salute the Admiral for helping make the NBA and Basketball the great machine that it is today. Besides, the guy had to play with the worm for god's sake.
  20. Curtis M
    20. Posted by Curtis M Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    I put DROB a small notch below Hakeem and above Ewing. Very athletic for a center, but his athleticism was more robotic than with the soul and fluidness that Hakeem had. Nothing wrong with that because most centers are robotic.
    Maybe this is why he was not the player who you could give the ball to in the clutch in a the half court set with the same confidence as say Hakeem- his improvising skills offensively were below that of Hakeem. WIth that being said, on the fast break, or with an open lane this guy was the best of all time in regards to centers. His defensive skills were awesome as well.
  21. willy g
    21. Posted by willy g Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    It looks like we got ourselves a hater named Cobra. "second rate and never was...." huh? Not many pros get honors such as Rookie of the Year, MVP, Defensive player of the Year, 10 year NBA All-Star, NBA champion. The list goes on and on. Cobra just doesn't seem to have a grasp on reality. Hakeem tore it up in the 1995 West Finals. Agreed. Overall, Hakeem had only about 4-5 quality years in him and his candle burned bright no doubt. The Rockets won it in 1994&1995 because Jordan RETIRED. Jordan came back and won it 3 straight years. Had Jordan been around during the Rockets two year title run, then the Rockets would never have had an NBA title. Many people echo that opinion as well. Jordan was the BEST EVER. But to discredit Robinson's career accomplishments because of Hakeem's two year Jordan-less title runs is about as nutty as a $hit house rat. Besides, when Hakeem started to slip the Rockets dumped him like used car with a bad engine. Robinson retired as a CURRENT NBA champion in 2003 and he contributed effectively until he retired. When all is said and done, people will remember Robinson's accomplishments WAY more than the Dream's. Dream was good and could definitely handle the Admiral, but the Dream never Accomplished what Robinson was able to accomplish. So lay off and salute the Admiral for helping make the NBA and Basketball the great machine that it is today. Besides, the guy had to play with the worm for god's sake.
  22. willy g
    22. Posted by willy g Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    It looks like we got ourselves a hater named Cobra. "second rate and never was...." huh? Not many pros get honors such as Rookie of the Year, MVP, Defensive player of the Year, 10 year NBA All-Star, NBA champion. The list goes on and on. Cobra just doesn't seem to have a grasp on reality. Hakeem tore it up in the 1995 West Finals. Agreed. Overall, Hakeem had only about 4-5 quality years in him and his candle burned bright no doubt. The Rockets won it in 1994&1995 because Jordan RETIRED. Jordan came back and won it 3 straight years. Had Jordan been around during the Rockets two year title run, then the Rockets would never have had an NBA title. Many people echo that opinion as well. Jordan was the BEST EVER. But to discredit Robinson's career accomplishments because of Hakeem's two year Jordan-less title runs is about as nutty as a $hit house rat. Besides, when Hakeem started to slip the Rockets dumped him like used car with a bad engine. Robinson retired as a CURRENT NBA champion in 2003 and he contributed effectively until he retired. When all is said and done, people will remember Robinson's accomplishments WAY more than the Dream's. Dream was good and could definitely handle the Admiral, but the Dream never Accomplished what Robinson was able to accomplish. So lay off and salute the Admiral for helping make the NBA and Basketball the great machine that it is today. Besides, the guy had to play with the worm for god's sake.
  23. Randall S
    23. Posted by Randall S Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:27 pm EDT

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    True story from 1991: I had a surgically repaired wrist after a bad car accident and was on my way to a followup visit to the Doc about 2 weeks after surgery in Downtown San Antonio. I park the car and get in the elevator and just as the door is about to close, in walks the Admiral -- he had to duck noticeably just to get in the elevator. We rode the elevater up a few floors and the door opens and it turns out he's on his way to the same specialist I was about to see (D-Rob had chronic wrist issues throughout his carreer). Not really knowing what to say, all I could come up with was something like "Nice game last night" and he smiled and said a polite thank you and noted "Really nice to win those division games" (I think it was against Utah). Then we get to the waiting room and I'm thinking, I've bothered this guy enough today so I'll leave him alone and I try to take a seat in a far corner of the waiting room. After he checks in, rather than bury his head in a book or newspaper, he actually seeks me out in the waiting room -- he says "Mind if I sit here?" and he sits down next to me and we proceed to talk hoops for about 15-20 minutes while killing time before his appointment. We chatted about everything from bogus 3-seconds calls, the old ABA, last years playoff series against Portland, Navy upsetting Syracuse in the NCAA tourney, how tough it is to play on the road, etc, etc. At one point, I remember the subject of free throws came up and he looked down and said sheepishly "I bricked a couple of key ones last nite -- its a good thing we won but I really need to buckle down and work on those".... I just couldn't believe this HOF caliber center was actually talking to me about trying to improve his game! He was so completely genuine and nice that it felt like you were just talking to your brother about your golf swing. Of course, most of what he said was very upbeat and positive but obviously those missed free throws were bugging him and he had no problem admitting there was room for improvement in his game. Over the next 2 or 3 months, I saw him at the wrist Docs office approx 3 more times and each time, he remembered my name and made a wisecrack about "working on his free throws". While it was fun watching him effortlessly drop 30 and 10 on his opponents night in and night out, in my opinion, it was his level of professionalism and giving back to the community that really set the Admiral apart. Weather he ranks 3rd or 10th on the list of All-time Centers doesn't really matter -- I don't think you will ever find a more approachable and wholesome professional alhlete. Cheers D-Rob -- and thanks for the memories of a wonderful era .
  24. luiscolafan
    24. Posted by luiscolafan Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:37 pm EDT

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    Hey --ROC -ROC -ROC
    You know what !!!
    F@@K THE SPURS AND YOU B!$@%!!!
    AND WHAT!!!
  25. Kirk T
    25. Posted by Kirk T Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:43 pm EDT

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    I don't see how the Spurs team weren't a lottery bound team without The Admiral. Compared to other superstars, in the early to mid 90s, Robinson played on a one man team, and made the Spurs quite an elite team.

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