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Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:00 pm EDT

Larry Brown, kindly stop it

If you think I'm reading way too much into things, making mountains out of molehills, Johnny Winter Ands out of Edgar Winter Groups, fine. You can give this post a miss. 

But I can help but retch a bit after Larry Brown's recent comments to Mitch Lawrence, presented under the guise of honest-to-helpless "analysis" about why Team USA succeeded this time around as opposed to failing (or, at least, falling short) in years past. Let's bring on the quote:

"The thing is they got guys that are willing to make a three-year commitment, which I think is tremendous," Brown said of this current Team USA. "We had guys that committed (for 2004) and then all of a sudden 9/11 happened, and then there were injuries."

Gah. Are you feeling it? That burn? Are you seeing those DeLorean-sized tire marks singed into the Twin Pines Mall as Larry covers his own tracks? No? Then dig in.

And sit tight, for the history lesson. Allow me to toss on my history boffin's tweed coat and either tell you for the first time or (more likely) remind you that while the 2004 version of Team USA (which Brown coached) probably shouldn't have won in a walk, they at least should have put together a better showing than the three-loss, bronze-medal finish they mustered. That team's turn wasn't rife with bad luck and the vicissitudes of the one-game sample size, rather, it was doomed with poor planning, poor playing, and poor coaching.

There was plenty of poor planning. The Russ Granik-led selection committee put together a real cracker of a team, full of guys that just ooze with international intrigue, like Stephon Marbury, Richard Jefferson, and Allen Iverson. That was sarcasm.

There was definitely poor playing. These guys hadn't the foggiest about how to take to the international game, full of play off the ball, and its shocking lack of pick and roll play. That really happened, but the last bit was also sarcastic.

Worst of all, there was poor coaching. A good or even competent coach, in that situation, does the best with what he has, and convinces whoever will listen (it's a deep team, so you're allowed to sit the guys that don't have any clue) that playing "their game" won't win anything for Team USA.

But Brown didn't do that. He played the guys who were convinced that NBA-style ball at its worst (Marbury waiting for that screen, Jefferson chucking that fadeway 19-footer from the elbow, Iverson being Iverson) would win. It was a pathetic display. No coach of any group of whatever legends you want to bring into the fold could create a chemistry-rich group of gestalt manufacturers in that short of a summer, but somehow, Brown managed to screw up what was already a process and presentation that seemed too screwed-up to fathom.

Watching the Olympics that year, you got the idea that Brown was fat and sassy with the idea of being a martyr, a role he would take to next level as coach of the New York Knicks in 2005-06.

Coming off a win over the Los Angeles Lakers in that year's Finals (the hollowest champion in years, getting to pass on playing the KG-as-MVP-led Timberwolves, the Kings, the Spurs; and taking on a Laker team featuring a useless Gary Payton and injured Karl Malone ... but that's a post for another day), Brown was enjoying the strongest and most gushing plaudits of his long career, and he took full advantage in his own inimitable style.

I'm not going to put on my tin-foil hat and tell you that Brown was trying to throw the tournament, wanting his own country's representatives to lose as a way of showcasing the spectacle as some sort of repudiation of the non-Pistons NBA as he knew it. Brown's been deliberately obtuse before, but killing your own country's chances to make a point is a bit different than starting Qyntel Woods in a bid to take over as Knicks GM. I feel dirty just having brought it up to put the kibosh on the idea, but I don't like the idea of people taking me the wrong way.

That said, he also refused to give in when things were obviously falling apart, which leaves Brown's motivations up for all sorts of questioning. Don't take it as far as the preceding paragraph warns you not to, but you have to understand how odd things looked that summer. As a benefit to LB, however, here are some caveats:

As you're probably aware, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Amare Stoudemire, and Carmelo Anthony hardly saw any playing time. Reasonable people will tell you that James, Wade, and Anthony were coming off rookie seasons in the NBA, while Stoudemire was coming off an injury-plagued and rather undistinguished second season, at least in comparison to his knockout rookie season.

As you're also probably aware, Argentina was an absolute beast that year. And Athens, in the context of the times, was more than a little scary. There were heaps of security scares, concerns that far exceeded any sort of the (non-political, if we have to get lazy and term human-rights abominations "political") talking points that met this summer's Olympic run. There was a genuine, and well-founded, fear that Athens was not ready to house the Olympics.

And that's all we're giving Brown. He can reference what happened on 9-11-01 all he wants, far more prominent people have gotten away with far worse things by doing the same, but the idea that Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, and Vince Carter were staying away from this team because of those sorts of security fears is ludicrous.

KG and VC had won a gold in 2000, Garnett had just undergone an exhausting MVP campaign (let's be honest, KG's 82 games plus playoffs are a bit more exhausting than the average bear's), and Carter had dealt with an unending series of injury concerns since the 2001-02 season.

Kobe, meanwhile, was essentially running the Los Angeles Lakers that summer. Flirting with the Chicago Bulls, outright dry-humping the Los Angeles Clippers, while ultimately (and rightfully, I might add) getting his way with the Shaquille O'Neal trade and re-signing with the Los Angeles Lakers, he had quite a bit on his plate. To say nothing of the, shall we say, "legal issues" that went on for all nearly all of the 2004 offseason and threatened to go on for the bulk of the 2004-05 season, before resolving themselves in September of 2004.

So, yeah, it wasn't "9-11," there, Lar.

As far as the three-year commitment, it helps. This year's team has retained six players out of 12 from the 2006 group, which may not seem like a lot, but it helps.

And with that put forth ... come on.

You inherit a team, you inform them of just how it is that these sorts of tournaments work, and you play the contributors that are best suited for the job. It's that easy.

You don't inherit a team, demand that two members of the team (Marbury and Iverson) be sent home before the tournament ever starts, inform those two players that they're cool to go ahead and play an inefficient (even by NBA standards) style of stateside ball, and ignore the players sitting on the bench who are best suited for the job. You duplicitous mug.

You work with what you're dealt. You have but a month and a half to make good with what you've been given, you don't play the hardass, you don't act as if Billy King is on board to trade any of these guys for Tyrone Hill, and you acclimate. Acclimate. Acc-lim-ate. I might as well be talking Gaelic to Larry at this point. 

Listen, I know I'm quibbling quite forcefully with a throwaway comment from a column that has to do with the 2008 team's triumph from a person who hasn't had anything to do with Team USA in four years. But I just know weaseling when I read it, and I think you do too. And this wasn't a case of a well-meaning outfit not having things go its way. The bum issues were pervasive from the outset, in the wins and in the losses. 

I'm not going to tell you that the line I shoot never misses, in work, in life, wherever. I should have nailed the column following Team USA's win over Spain, but my insecurity got the best of me on Sunday morning. I was tired from the late game start and worried that my writing was crap, and proceeded to beat the hell out of what should have been a damn good piece of writing until it turned into merely passable by 9:08 on Monday morning. But I could have done much better with the circumstances I was presented with. I had time, but I blew it. I screwed up.

And Larry, you blew 2004. You screwed it up. And if Mitch Lawrence is asking for a quick quote on the goings-on, just mention how proud you are of this year's model. Mention how good international basketball has become. Mention the fact that Team USA hasn't looked this good since 1992, and before that, probably 1968 or 1960. You should know. You were around. You know the game better than any of us. You have so much to teach us, and I mean that.

But this bit of revisionist history? It stings, it makes you look worse (as if the hole could get any deeper), and it's bound to tick off those who have been paying attention.

Let this be the foot in your mouth's last hurrah.

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  1. Anthony
    1. Posted by Anthony Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:36 pm EDT

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    i'm curious, do you still feel that larry brown is a good nba coach? will the bobcats have a chance this year?
  2. ao
    2. Posted by ao Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    i agree here, Larry Brown is garbage
  3. Kevin K
    3. Posted by Kevin K Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    larry brown is a joke. ask knicks fans how good at coaching he was lol
  4. ballerblogger
    4. Posted by ballerblogger Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:01 pm EDT

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    Thanks KD.
    If I'm not mistake, Carmelo Anthony was Team USA's third leading scorer in the exhibition games. But when the tournament began, he couldn't get off the bench.
    Also, I'm pretty sure Richard Jefferson had two of his shots hit the side of the backboard against Argentina.
  5. Matt S
    5. Posted by Matt S Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:29 pm EDT

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    Brown can't coach youngsters. In Detroit he was given a very good machine missing a cog (Sheed) and turned it into a finely tuned defensive monster. Good luck Charlotte.
  6. Barry W
    6. Posted by Barry W Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    Deep! Kelly Dwyer im a fan....and I totally agree!
  7. Nick
    7. Posted by Nick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:34 pm EDT

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    To be fair, I would be shocked if even Argentina could have won that tourny with AI and Marbury as its "point guards".
    Oh, and you forgot to mention Kobe chucking off-balance 3-pointers and ignoring Shaq in the post that year in the finals. Considering that series along with the Phoenix series, I don't think I have a tin-foil hat on when I suggest that Kobe has thrown games to prove his worth.
  8. kevin k
    8. Posted by kevin k Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    KD, AI is AI?? wtf did you even watched the 2004 games???? i agree with most of your posts but you bashing AI is just plain dumb. AI was one of the more consistant players other than TD. He played his heart out the way he plays his heart out every game. Is it AI's fault that scrubs like Starbury, Richard Jefferson, S. Marion(most overrated role player), and Odom were his other playmates who had the most playing time??? Those guys are not even in the top 20 non-foreign NBA players. And the bench of the team was filled rookies and 2nd year. Yes those guys are the current superstars, and I believe they would have done better then the scrubs I mentioned above, but when you have a stubborn coach, wtf do you expect. Your obvious BIAS towards AI is blatant, and you blaming on AI for the bronze is just plain dumb just like this post.
  9. P-Eazy22
    9. Posted by P-Eazy22 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    i couldn't agree with you more on this article. i have always said that larry brown was the one reason we lost the games that year. his first mistake was not playing any of the youger guys or basically the guys drafted from high school. his old school ways cost us a gold medal or a better shot at one. argentina was stacked that year but with our squad we should still compete with anybody. instead larry acts like hes coaching the pistons and sits back in half court man playing vets that were all worn down by the nba season. he should have utilized our superior athletes pressed and full court man teams until we run them in the ground. no one is remotley as deep as we are and we didnt use it to our advantage. anyways great article im glad finally some one said it. good job lb!!!!!
  10. kevin k
    10. Posted by kevin k Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    http://dimemag.com/2008/08/dont-forget-allen-iverson-is-still-getting-screwed/
    -AI doesn't play D, he gambles too much... 2008 roster got killed by the opponent's guards, gambled every position, at least AI is good at it
    -AI is streaky shooter... So were the other 2008 roster guards not named D-Wade. They bring in Mike Redd "the specialist shooter" and he didn't even crack a full min against the Spainards
    -AI is a bad influence... All the teamates that he played with loved him except larry huges and jerry stackhouse
    - AI didn't play anything like Kobe during his 2004 venture where he forced really bad shots and ruined the team's momentum although Kobe did save the USA against the Spain in the gold medal game.
  11. Shep D
    11. Posted by Shep D Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 pm EDT

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    Larry Brown is just ok. Ask Reggie Miller why he only went to the NBA finals once?
    Sure you could say 23, and you wouldn't be wrong but he would have had a better shot with someone else on the bench. See Larry Bird.
  12. KD
    12. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    AI was great. But his style of scoring and his off-ball defense was a horrible fit for the international game.
    Bias means I've my mind made up before the thing I'm commenting on even happens, and that's ... yeah, that's stupid.
  13. mcwelk
    13. Posted by mcwelk Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:14 pm EDT

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    Tim Duncan's crying also contributed.
  14. Matt A
    14. Posted by Matt A Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:38 pm EDT

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    Go Lakers!
  15. Capo689
    15. Posted by Capo689 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    The 2004 team was rife with losers I will agree. I love Lamar, but he is not a lone winner, Ai - looser, Starbury - looser, and Duncan - looser. Now I know Duncan has some rings, but let's face it the guy breaks down and cries when the going gets tough, he won in spite of his own weakness due to a strong team and coach with the Spurs, but on his own a baby. There were no team leaders, so Larry's main job was as a leader, which he sucks at. The Knicks treated him like a girl and he has never gotten his nutz back. We can all make excuses, but those boys let personal weakness tear them apart and lost for America. For all the personal pride endowed to medal winners, shouldn't a team that fails that miserably take some responsibility for their failure, starting with the coach? What USA needed was leadership, Coach K and Kobe Bryant brought that this year with an amazingly focused group of young guys around them and a couple of seasoned vets like Redd and Kidd. GO USA
  16. matt w
    16. Posted by matt w Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm EDT

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    I had all the respect in the world for Larry Brown...until he blamed 9/11 for their bronze medal finish. That's disrespectful to the game of basketball, and even more so to those lost on that day.
  17. ActionJD
    17. Posted by ActionJD Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    Larry Brown is full of it. Not playing LBJ, D-Wade, and Melo was just plain stupid, especially when we talking about guys like Starbury and RJ playing major minutes.
  18. khandor
    18. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    KD,
    When you write like THAT ^^^ ... and say the type of things you say right there ^^^ ... that's when it becomes easy to appreciate the 'gifts' you've been in this world ... to turn a phrase, make a point and shine the light on a specific basketball-related topic of interest.
    Write like THAT, my man ... MORE OFTEN. :-)
    Fact is ... Larry blew it big time, on both occasions ... THEN & NOW.
  19. rock
    19. Posted by rock Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    Here's a thought: Mike Krzyzewski is a great coach, and was able to adapt his style of coaching to a team of NBA stars and break down other teams strengths and weaknesses to prepare his team to win. I would imagine any of the current Team USA players would freely concur that they were a better team for having him as their coach.
    He will probably never coach in the NBA (by choice), but his legacy as one of the finest, and most successful, NCAA coaches who also helped (and insisted) his players develop as decent human beings makes him pretty special in my books. I was rooting for Team USA (even though I am not American) all the way, as a tribute to Coach K and the international recognition he deserves.
  20. Capo689
    20. Posted by Capo689 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    Aww I'm sorry I know how sensitive you Spurs fans can be. Tim Duncan is a baby, a whiny crying baby. When you treat him like a child like Pop does he can do his job really well... so could Lenny from Mice and Men. Larry was a weak coach, Tim and the other whiny vets on the 2004 team needed a strong coach. Winners like Kobe are self motivated and find a way to win.... like when the Lakers crushed the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals this year and we were missing our star center/forward Bynum. So wipe those tears away with your Duncan jersey and buck up, Duncan is a great weapon when coached, just not a winner or leader.
  21. The Bronx-178st
    21. Posted by The Bronx-178st Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    good article. LB is a stubborn old fart whose best coaching days are behind him. as a Knicks fan i was appalled at the way he would take subtle swipes at his own players in the media then act as if he couldn't understand when they began to tune him out. THEN, he attempts to throw Isaiah under the bus about the roster when he KNEW what was on the roster BEFORE taking the job. as if the Knicks could rid themselves of all those guaranteed contracts just because he was no longer enamored with the player. I am not one to wish bad on anyone but after he led us, intentionally as far as i'm concerned, to a 23 win season I hope he fails miserably in Charlotte. as a Knicks fan I'm tired of Jordan succeeding anyway.
  22. The Bronx-178st
    22. Posted by The Bronx-178st Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    good article. LB is a stubborn old fart whose best coaching days are behind him. as a Knicks fan i was appalled at the way he would take subtle swipes at his own players in the media then act as if he couldn't understand when they began to tune him out. THEN, he attempts to throw Isaiah under the bus about the roster when he KNEW what was on the roster BEFORE taking the job. as if the Knicks could rid themselves of all those guaranteed contracts just because he was no longer enamored with the player. I am not one to wish bad on anyone but after he led us, intentionally as far as i'm concerned, to a 23 win season I hope he fails miserably in Charlotte. as a Knicks fan I'm tired of Jordan succeeding anyway.
  23. vertibraker
    23. Posted by vertibraker Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:44 pm EDT

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    I agree that there was a bit too much AI bashing. For a team that had many NBA players not wanting to commit, AI was the only one who was actually proud to represent Team USA and wanted to play in the Olympics. Of course Lebron, Carmelo and Wade deserved more playing time, but AI wasn't the one to be blamed for the fault of the 2004 team.
  24. KD
    24. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Where was the AI bashing?
    He was terrific that year. But the way he puts up stats is inefficient and his defense, despite his best efforts, was poor.
  25. Kobe mvp no.1
    25. Posted by Kobe mvp no.1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:38 pm EDT

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    2002 world basketball team usa rosters include pierce,ben wllace,finley,an old reggie miller,marion,baron davis,they lost in 2002 6th place.
    2004 olympics they lost to 3rd place,iverson,duncan,jefferson,odom,marbury. duncan iverson n company cant attack the zone defense.
    2006 world basketball,leBRONZE,carmeLOSER,waDEFEATED, chriSUCK PAUL,got their playing time,another bronze medal.
    all of them can be blamed as losers and pretenders. the superstars who turn down the offers to play for the 2002,2004, n 2006 can also be blamed,carter,garnett,ray allen etc. didnt want 2 play 4 the 2004 usa team because theyr scared of terrorist.
    this year 2008 they won because,kobe kidd redd etc. is there.

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