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Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:01 pm EDT

Kindly leave Bryan Colangelo alone

Last week, two of Toronto's best sports scribes - the Toronto Star's Dave Feschuk and the Globe and Mail's Michael Grange - both busted out with a bit of a rip job on Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo. I'm not exactly sure why. 

Both were tactfully prepared, there appears to be no pretense or agenda and neither writing was reaching much. Both columns made sound points and didn't have to rely on duplicity or specious arguments to get to said points. Neither relied on any sort of Nipsey Russell-esque rhyme scheme. Neither used the phrase "drink the Kool-Aid." Both are telling us that the luster has rubbed off of Colangelo, as he enters his third season as Toronto GM.

And I don't get it. I don't get the analysis, to start, but I also don't know why or when this sort of cloud settled over the Toronto area proper. Some sort of gas or mist, obviously invisible and otherwise imperceptible, seems to have descended over the town, taking away the Michael Grange and Dave Feschuk that I once knew.

(Or, they could have a sound opinion that I just happen to disagree with. I do much prefer the nefarious mist idea, though.)

Both Grange and Feschuk seem a bit dubious about the impending deal that will send T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, and the 17th pick in last week's Draft (the Raptors selected Georgetown's Roy Hibbert) to the Indiana Pacers for former All-Star Jermaine O'Neal.

The two mention the fact that O'Neal can barely load his pipe at night without spraining his knee, that he's owed oodles of cash over the next two seasons, that the move further highlights the fact that selecting Andrea Bargnani first overall in the 2006 Draft may have been a massive reach, and that Colangelo doesn't seem to be the future star we once pegged him to be.

And, to me, it just seems like a needless bit of hand-wringing, when the time could be spent putting public pressure on Sam Mitchell to use his new big man the right way. And Bargs seems so pointless to bring up at this point that any unexpected bit of contribution would seem like tasty, tasty gravy. I've moved on.

I mean, I wrote a bit last week on Toronto's chances and why the team would work well even with O'Neal playing just 60 games out of 82, and in the excitement, never even thought to mention Andrea Bargnani. Not because I was trying to cover up a Colangelo mistake, mind you, but because the rotation in place can do wonders in the Eastern Conference even without Bargs playing a major role.

Would it be nice or proper and reasonable to expect 2006's number one overall pick not to act the part of a Brian Cook clone? Of course. Did Colangelo drop the ball on this? Sure, Bargs hasn't shown much at all outside of his many gifts. That said, it's akin to ripping on Joe Dumars in the midst of a piece detailing his acquisition of Rasheed Wallace back in February of 2004.

Should Dumars have taken Darko Milicic? Hells no. A regrettable choice? You bet! Does it do much to dissuade us from thinking that the team in question has a future worth cooing over? Not at all. Do it look like I enjoy setting up my own questions and answering them in the sentence following? You got me.

Plug Bargs in as the taller Brian Cook. Take in this rotation. Understand that O'Neal will miss a series of games and be a bit gimpy for others. Bemoan the lack of a backup point guard. Really bemoan the fact that the backup might end up being Chris Duhon. Wonder aloud as to just how Sam Mitchell pulled in that 2007 Coach of the Year award. Take another antihistamine; because, boy, are you sneezy today. Throw all the negatives into that Raptor stew. You'll still come out with this:

This team, as presently constructed and with all the qualifiers accounted for, can top 50 wins. At least.

There was a reason those Indiana Pacer teams were so consistently overrated, and it had to do with O'Neal being able to cover for a week's worth of defensive miscues in a quarter's time, while stacking win upon win even while others - present company included - gave credit to others when they hardly deserved it. Those Pacer teams really won way more games than they should have, and O'Neal was the biggest reason why.

And, at the same time, O'Neal somehow became overrated in quarters. The same thing happened to Jason Kidd a while back, scribes would overrate the guy's offensive influence while ignoring the biggest reason behind all the games Kidd won for the Nets: DE-FENSE.

O'Neal was constantly mentioned as the sort of "low-post scorer" that turned teams around, SI's Ian Thomsen even went as far as to put together an expected deal that would provide Chicago with their missing low-post piece, sending O'Neal (already decked out in a Bulls uni in the pages of SI) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich and a high draft pick.

What they overlooked, of course, is the fact that O'Neal isn't all that great (or good, even) in the low post. Yes, he's tall, and yes he scores a bit, but if these guys (not Thomsen, I should mention) deigned to watch more than the national TV games and not drooled over the scoring average that resulted, they would see that O'Neal much prefers the face-up and/or perimeter game, that his shooting percentage (45.9 percent, career) hardly befits a low-post scorer, and that his real contribution was moving his feet, cutting off penetration, blocking shots, defending the low post, and pulling in rebounds.

That said, most NBA observers sort of caught up to where they should have been years ago in 2007-08, seeing O'Neal for what he is, and just in time to underrate the guy.

Remember, O'Neal doesn't have to be forced into the low block. He doesn't need shots. Good coaching can make sure Jermaine doesn't shoot too much, or isn't asked to do things he shouldn't. Yes, Sam Mitchell was prattling on about Chris Bosh and JON averaging a combined 40 points and 20 rebounds, but it's also late June, and things tend to get out of hand at this point in the summer. Even O'Neal, blessed with a sound offensive outfit for once, will know that he probably needs to keep his shot attempts in the low double-digits.

Should Mitchell force-feed the guy, then it might be enough for Colangelo to finally convince his bosses to eat the remainder of SMitch's contract and move on to a coach who knows what he's on about. And even before that, any bit of inefficient offense will be more than made up for by O'Neal's defensive strengths. The guy is that good, even without leaving the floor.

And, really, what did the Raptors give up? Sure, they're taking on a big salary, but they sent just as much salary off the team to get O'Neal as they brought in, and it's a move that will end up saving cash should O'Neal go elsewhere when his contract is up. The team dumped a point guard that it didn't need while sending out a solid center for a massive upgrade.

Eliminated the superfluous while turning a trade-in into something special, all for the price of having to go out and find a backup point guard later this summer. I'm having a hard time finding fault in that, even if O'Neal misses 25 games.

While we're at it, these weren't really rip-jobs. They were solid pieces that didn't say anything that wasn't true, or that shouldn't be considered. I fully concede that the gaseous cloud may never have existed.

That said, we're awfully close to underrating O'Neal nearly as much as we overrated him in years past, and that's just as criminal. I'm not saying Feschuk and Grange are leading the charge, far from it, but I am saying that I've seen this stuff before, and there's no reason why we should be able to find a nice middle ground.

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  1. RICOCHET
    1. Posted by RICOCHET Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    Hi haters ! thank you for biting my style , and thank you also for reminding me that canada has a team, hi haters, you see me, yes this was an official visit by the true nyer oh and no kd totally and kelly almost cannot immitate any type of great commentating... Basketball is clearly over.. this is just getting sadder and sadder, bye haters!!
  2. 10FootBongz
    2. Posted by 10FootBongz Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:25 pm EDT

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    KD,
    While I cannot comment on La Grange, I have been a long-time reader of Feschuk's, mostly due to his "You WILL want to punch me in the face!" approach to covering the Raps and the L. Here is my take:
    1) If you make a bold move, he questions it
    2) If your bold move succeeds, he grudgingly acknoledges it, but concocts scenarios that could have been better
    3) If your bold move is a failure, he will never let you forget it
    4) If your bold move is a failure, and you stick with it, he will remind you that it is a failure, and form the opinion that you will not make a change because that would be admitting that you are wrong
    5) If your bold move is a failure, and you do something to change it, he will remind you that your first move was a failure, and the current move will probably be a failure as well
  3. BigMikeToThe
    3. Posted by BigMikeToThe Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    good article,
    generally pretty happy with colang, only move i thought we could've done better with recently was juan dixon, maybe i'm being optimistic but knowing we were going to deal a point guard in the offseason, it woul'vde been nice to try and secure a back-up. also primoz!??! yikes, i've never seen a guy try so hard to be a fan-favourite, somebody needs to tell him that the first step is being likeable. also dont be talking isht when you get yanked for not getting another defensive rebound. that and not running like a giant baby duck. Primoz, nobody likes you.
  4. Roger
    4. Posted by Roger Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm EDT

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    Exactly right, 10FootBongz. Feschuk can't stand to see anyone happy.
  5. BigMikeToThe
    5. Posted by BigMikeToThe Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    as for the linked articles, suggesting we should've taken roy or gay, is a bit of a joke, i mean they went #6 & #8...obvoulsy there's another 5 teams who made the same mistake. plus good marketing with bargnanos and (quoting a little mjs playground) "look at this crowd...wooooo!"
  6. Robin L
    6. Posted by Robin L Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    Thank you, KD. I've been saying the same things about O'neal for years (a great defender, a mediocre/misused offensive talent.). He loves that 15-20 foot jumper, but really, Rick Carlisle didn't run much else for him. I'd love to see him in Toronto, running with Bosh. The idea of spacing the floor with two mobile jumpshooting bigs who can also post up is just so tantalizing. I'm also excited about seeing Bosh being paired defensively with a good shot-blocker, and see them wreak havoc against the guards of the East. Basically, knee issues aside, I think O'Neal is a great addition to this team. Maybe, not perfect, but incredibly intriguing from the perspective of a basketball junkie.
  7. Nick
    7. Posted by Nick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:34 pm EDT

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    Feschuk is a contrarian. Doug Smith plays good cop, Feschuk plays bad cop. I dislike both writers at the Star.
    However, in this case, both Feschuk and Grange raise some important points. But I think they are too hung up on the "vision" and "core" of the team. Very few teams have had the luxury of a consistent vision and/or core. Granted, they are usually excellent teams like Detroit and San Antonio.
    Things change and you have to roll with the punches. These two articles just seem like crying over spilt milk.
  8. JMVandal (Formerly James M)
    8. Posted by JMVandal (Formerly James M) Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:53 pm EDT

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    Ooo, snap! The sports writer's equivalent to rap battles. Nice piece KD
  9. Bombay
    9. Posted by Bombay Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:47 pm EDT

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    that 10 foot bongz guy recycles his material. I swore I read this the same stuff in an email.
    but damn, he's handsome.
  10. Admiral i dont care
    10. Posted by Admiral i dont care Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    as a pacer fan who loves to see a good defensive game, it will be a shame to see such a good defensive player leave. unfortunatly, the team needed to be rebuilt, and he wasnt the leader to rebuild it arround (he stated that he hasnt enjoyed playing for the pacers ever since regi left). he was one of my favorite pacers to watch, well when he was at 100% at least (though to be fair, there were practically no good pacers to watch because they were either a dissapointment or in jail/suspension half of the time).
    hopefully he does well in toronto because i know he wont be in the position to do well in indy, and hasnt been in that position for a few years.
  11. alexb
    11. Posted by alexb Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    The 'so-overrated-he's underrated' group is a crowded one. On that note, I need to ask you, KD, if you think Vince Carter fits that description. Most media straight-up hate the guy/player, and I know you've expressed some disdain for him in the past. But he quickly came to my mind as someone who was overrated for a minute or three but has lately been a bit misunderstood...
  12. Fossilman
    12. Posted by Fossilman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 pm EDT

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    kd nailed it. if mitchell coaches the team for the talent they now have, i can't see how it could be considered a bad move.
    sign a backup pg for the minimum and away you go.
  13. G
    13. Posted by G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm EDT

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    grange is typically on the ball and fair.
    feschuk can't stand to write anything positive about the raptors. it's like the writers at the star want us to hate the raptor management like most of toronto hates the leafs management. (prior to fletcher coming back)
  14. WinMyFantasyLeague.Co.Cc
    14. Posted by WinMyFantasyLeague.Co.Cc Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:29 pm EDT

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    Opinions are like armpits, everyone has one, most stink......J.O on the Raps, J.O and Bosh frontourt....50 win min., I stopped watching ball last year because of Andrea.....this makes up for the Carter trade.....the bitter taste in my mouth is FINALLY gone!!!
    Shouldnt be too hard to attract FA's either....
  15. khandor
    15. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    KD,
    To condemn Feschuk & Grange for their articles on Bryan Colangelo's perceived slippage from "Saint" to "potential Sinner" without also reviewing the context of the current situation in Toronto is silly on your part.
    Bryan Colangelo was hired as the new GM for the Raptors in Feb/2006.
    Prior to that Wayne Embry was the Raptors' interim GM (he did a good job clearing cap space for his successor, by trading Jalen Rose to the Knicks and moving Eric & Aaron Williams from their roster), after replacing the fired Rob Babcock, whose brief tenure at the helm of the team was an ill-fated disaster, i.e. Toronto missed the missed the playoffs, was forced to trade Vince Carter, wasted a #8 (Overall) draft pick on Raffael Araujo (out of the League today), and finished with a 27-55 W-L record during the 2005-2006 regular season.
    Despite the team's poor W-L record, on the eve of the 2006 Draft, there were a number of positives already in place that SHOULD have ensured a gradual and steady rise through the ranks of the Eastern Conference over the next few seasons EVEN IF Bryan Colangleo had NOT been hired as the Raptors GM (i.e. Feb/2006), including:
    * Chris Bosh (C) was beginning to establish himself as the cornerstone of the franchise & perennial all-star
    * Charlie Villaneuva (PF) finished 2nd in the the balloting for the ROY
    * Jose Calderon (PG/Spain) had a solid 1st season as a back-up to Mike James (arriveded from Houston)
    * Morris Petersen (OG) had established himself as a more-than capable starter, as Vince Carter struggled
    * Joey Graham (SF) was a solid 1st Round Draft pick
    * Other trade assets (like Araujo & Matt Bonner) and significant Cap Space
    * 2006 No. 1 (Overall) Draft Pick, plus a relatively high 2nd Rounder
    which Colangelo promptly turned into a "too-good-too-soon-without-enough-quality-depth-and-too-little-defense-and-rebounding-or-grit" middle-of-the-road team in the EC by making the following array of moves:
    [for 2006-2007]
    * Not re-signing Mike James (PG)
    * Tradng Araujo (C) to Utah for Kris Humphries (PF)
    * Trading Bonner (PF) to San Antonio for Rasho Nesterovic (C)
    * Drafting Andrea Bargnani (No. 1 Overall, C-?/PF-?/SF-?)
    * Drafting PJ Tucker (G/F, 2nd Round, out of the League today)
    * Trading Charlie Villanueva (PF) to Milwaukee for TJ Ford (PG)
    * Signing European pro Anthony Parker (G/F)
    * Signing European pro Jorge Garbajosa (SF/PF)
    * Signing Darrick Martin (PG)
    * Signing Fred Jones (G/F)
    * Signing Luke Jackson (F)
    * Acquiring Juan Dixon (G)
    - 47-35 (W-L)
    - Made the Playoffs (#3) & LOST to the NJ Nets (#6) in the 1st Round
    - Sam Mitchell wins the COY
    [for 2007-2008]
    * Signing Jason Kapono (G/F, Miami)
    * Trading for Carlos Delfino (G/F, Detroit)
    * Signing Jamario Moon (F, Free Agent)
    * Signing Maceo Baston (PF, Free Agent)
    * Trading Dixon for Primos Brezec (C)
    - 41-41 (W-L)
    - Made the Playoffs (#6) & LOST to the Orlando Magic in the 1st Round
    [for 2008-2009]
    * Trading Ford + Nesterovic + 1st Round Draft Pick (#17, 2008/Roy Hibbert, C, Georgetown) + Baston for Jermaine O'Neal (PF/C, Indiana) + 2nd Round Draft Pick (#41, 2008/Nathan Jawai, C Australia)
    * Signing Roko Ukic (PG, European)
    Now your readers can judge for themselves whether or not what Grange & Feschuk wrote about the current state of the Raptors (and, IMO, their AVERAGE performing GM) is accurate or not.
  16. sixtanker
    16. Posted by sixtanker Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:25 pm EDT

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    back to front
    geez khan that's a lot of good facts and if its from memory i'm impressed, i'm impressed even if you just dug them up. a fact that lurks here but noone is stating it is that jo is "not lovable". pro sports is all about emotional attachments to teams via players and jo repells fans. i find myself rooting against him. artest, marbury, francis, alonzo and to some extent bibby have the same effect. my guess is that even though the trade for jo may improve the win/loss ratio it will continue to be an unpopular move.
    as for kd's case against grange et al, the argument was very well structured and a worthy template for a highschool debating society but holds little factual water.
  17. renato
    17. Posted by renato Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:36 pm EDT

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    Hi, pretty fair points. I am not sure why you would have moved on on Bargs after one one good (excellent towards the end) and a bad (started excellent and finished ugly) seasons. BArgs last season was not a sophomore slump, it was a shooting slump for a player whose games, at this moment in his career starts with shooting. Nobody toke away Bargs offense, he has been missing things that he has been doing while in cruise control for all his life. I believe it is more realistic to expect him to be his usual self rather than the player we saw last year. As far as defense is concerned Man to man he has defended big guys better than Bosh also last season. His help defense was ugly but you improve that with time.
  18. KD
    18. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    * Signing Darrick Martin (PG) -- minimum, doesn't matter
    * Signing Fred Jones (G/F) -- horrid
    * Signing Luke Jackson (F) -- minimum
    * Acquiring Juan Dixon (G) -- bad
    * Signing Jason Kapono (G/F, Miami) -- price is worth the contributions
    * Trading for Carlos Delfino (G/F, Detroit) -- very good, two second rounders?
    * Signing Jamario Moon (F, Free Agent) -- very, very good
    * Signing Maceo Baston (PF, Free Agent) -- good, should have been better, minimum salary
    * Trading Dixon for Primos Brezec (C) -- good recovery, save money
  19. KD
    19. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    * Trading Ford + Nesterovic + 1st Round Draft Pick (#17, 2008/Roy Hibbert, C, Georgetown) + Baston for Jermaine O'Neal (PF/C, Indiana) + 2nd Round Draft Pick (#41, 2008/Nathan Jawai, C Australia) -- fantastic
    * Signing Roko Ukic (PG, European) -- bleh
  20. KD
    20. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    * Not re-signing Mike James (PG) -- great, you want to pay James 13 mil over the next two seasons?
    * Tradng Araujo (C) to Utah for Kris Humphries (PF) -- brilliant
    * Trading Bonner (PF) to San Antonio for Rasho Nesterovic (C) -- great
    * Drafting Andrea Bargnani (No. 1 Overall, C-?/PF-?/SF-?) -- horrid
    * Drafting PJ Tucker (G/F, 2nd Round, out of the League today) -- 2nd rounder, five percent success rate
    * Trading Charlie Villanueva (PF) to Milwaukee for TJ Ford (PG) -- great
    * Signing European pro Anthony Parker (G/F) -- great
    * Signing European pro Jorge Garbajosa (SF/PF) -- great, should have been better (SMitch)
  21. 10FootBongz
    21. Posted by 10FootBongz Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:25 pm EDT

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    Re: comment #19, I would like to break that JO trade down to the base elements that Colangelo started with:
    Charlie Villanueva (good offence, no defence, potentially as good/better than AB)
    Matt Bonner (sure, he's nothing more than solid, but the sentimental value of Bonner to the team was huge, the guy loved Mr. Sub and the TTC)
    Eric Williams (he has a nice tattoo on his arm)
    2008 1st round pick
    Maceo Baston
    FOR
    Jermaine O'Neal
    2008 2nd round pick
    Two Playoff Trips
    Yeah, that's pretty good.
    And Bombay: that was slightly different that e-mail that must have been forwarded to you.
  22. khandor
    22. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    sixtanker,
    Yes, that list of transactions was strictly from memory. :-)
  23. khandor
    23. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    JK,
    Amen, bro.
    :-)
  24. khandor
    24. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    JK,
    Also ... Grange's experience as a former university player is a solid foundation for him to formulate his opinions about the game, which are becoming clearer and more insightful by the day.
    Feschuk & Grange both do a solid job on hoops for the Toronto Star & Globe & Mail, respectively.
    Each runs into trouble with the Raptors' rabid fanbase, on occasion, because he is willing (and unafraid) to speak the truth rather than simply be a propoganda tool for the Raptors' Management.

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