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How does the old saying go? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make it a sound? After attending the Grizzlies/Hawks game last night in Atlanta, I feel like I've come up with the basketball equivalent to that phrase: If an NBA game is played, but there is nobody there to see it, does it really count?

I knew the NBA was having attendance problems, but seeing last night's crowd at Philips Arena, or lack thereof, makes me believe that the NBA's issues are more severe than I originally thought.

There couldn't have been more than 6,000 people at the game last night, and that is being generous. At tip-off you could have counted the number of people in the lower bowl, and it wouldn't have taken very long. Granted, an Atlanta/Memphis showdown doesn't exactly get the juices flowing; The Grizzlies came into the game with a six game losing skid, but the Hawks came in to the contest having won four of six.

It didn't matter.


The crowd was never into the game. I felt like I was watching a scrimmage between two college teams. The loudest cheers of the night came during a time-out, when Kiss-Cam appeared on the JumboTron.

The Hawks, and other teams who are having trouble at the gate, are in a tough spot. They see the empty seats, and they're running all kinds of ticket specials trying to get fans in the door, but they can't drastically reduce the price of their best seats, because they'll run the risk of alienating all the season ticket holders who pay full price for every game.

After last night's contest came to its merciful conclusion, I asked Grizzlies coach Marc Iavaroni if the players and coaches even noticed small crowds. "Oh yeah, you notice small crowds," he admitted. "It's weird."

Not only is Iavaroni right, I think there is a deeper meaning to his message, although he wouldn't say it. In my opinion, the lack of support in the stands actually hurts the product on the floor. The players looked like they were just going through the motions last night, they had no energy to feed off of. I can hear you now: But they make millions of dollars, they shouldn't need fan support to make them play harder ...

Fine. But when you have played all your life in front of thousands of screaming fans, and then you start playing in front of a few thousand people who don't seem to care what happens, I'm sure it would make some sort of impact on your game.

The bottom line is that the league must figure out some way to get more people out to games, because the attendance problems have reached a critical level. If the league made all upper-level seating general admission, and charged ten dollars in struggling markets, like Atlanta and Memphis, they would at least give more fans the chance to see a game.

Does anybody else have another idea?

UPDATE: Jon Greenberg, an executive editor at Team Marketing Report, does Fan Cost Index surveys, and he says, via e-mail, that teams do have a good amount of $10 inventory available:

Every team is supposed to have 500 $10 seats for every game. This season the Hawks had just under 1,000 $10 seats available for season purchase, and from talking to them in previous years, they definitely have some bargains on a regular basis as well.

The problems are, of course, beyond pricing. It's not like there are 5,000 fans saying, "If upper deck seats were $10 instead of $20, I'd be there in a heartbeat." The Hawks' woeful recent history coupled with Atlanta's historically poor sports fan environment make them a very tough sell.

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  1. Jay Busbee
    1. Posted by Jay Busbee Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:33 pm EDT

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    Atlanta's still not sold on the Hawks yet--there's still this sense that they're going to implode and lose 49 of the next 50. It's a front-running town. Yes, Philips is impossible to get to at 7pm on a weeknight, but if the team can truly sustain this success, people will put up with that. Maybe.
  2. Hitman
    2. Posted by Hitman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    David Stern reaping what he has sown. Fans have been turned off by the lying and cheating that the refs have done and still do at David Stern's behest. David Stern and his money grubbing cronies have ruined a once fine game in their greedy quest for money. The NBA will soon be in the toilet alongside the refs and their leader, David Stern.
  3. alex m
    3. Posted by alex m Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:48 pm EDT

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    So why move a team to another location (Vancouver to Memphis) when they will end up struggling just as bad? (w-l record and attendance). This whole thing is about making money for the league and owners isnt' it?
  4. Nick L
    4. Posted by Nick L Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:37 pm EDT

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    Ten dollar seating is a great idea. There are four total sections in Boston that have ten dollar seats (two in the balcony right behind each basket). Those sold out right away last year and this year. But, during some of the darker seasons (even though Boston has always drawn well), I used to go all the time because you could buy those ten dollar seats the day of the game. Maybe in these cities they can drop the price of those balcony seats significantly on game day. Then, the 35 dollar seats can become ten dollar seats if they haven't sold by the day of the game. Who wouldn't pay ten dollars to go watch the NBA?
  5. alex m
    5. Posted by alex m Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:48 pm EDT

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    ten dollar seating? Sure more fans, but less money, the nba doesn't want that.....no no no
  6. Michaelc
    6. Posted by Michaelc Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    Even with a history of success.... i mean.... Atlanta had trouble selling out Braves playoff games for crying out loud. But still, 6,000 fans is ridiculous. Even the Knicks had better attendence than that.
  7. alex m
    7. Posted by alex m Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:48 pm EDT

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    You know what we should do? Somehow do it like in Green Bay, where the team is publicly owned. We get all the paperwork done by 2009, and by 2010 we screw everybody over and pick LeBron in the expansion draft. We then throw all our hopes and dreams on LBJ shoulders, and live happily ever after. The end.
  8. David P
    8. Posted by David P Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:12 pm EDT

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    There is and always has been $10 seating in Atlanta.
  9. QUE RICO
    9. Posted by QUE RICO Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    good!! free good seats upgrade
  10. idizzle
    10. Posted by idizzle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    Maybe they shouldn't make a night in an Arena so hotdamn expensive. It's definitely not just the admission price, you can't get a hot dog and a beer for under 12 bones. $12 mixed drinks is bs. $8 dollar chips and cheese?
    If it didn't cost at least $200 for 2 people to enjoy a game, that many times they could watch at home, maybe more people would choose the NBA as their entertainment option.
    I'm just glad we aren't having problems here in Portland. Other than the little bump in the road known as the past 5 years, we've always had excellent attendance, which makes the experience that much better. Sitting there in that Atlanta game looks boring as hell.
  11. E.B. White
    11. Posted by E.B. White Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:46 pm EDT

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    Miami's a front-running town too and has similar issues, part of which stem from the location of the arena in an area that's (A) hard to get in and out of and (B) not close to any other nighttime activity (except prostitution, drug use, and a couple rave clubs).
    I also think the cavernousness of modern arenas hurts their appeal. Unless you're in the lower bowl, there's no point in being there, and the lower bowl is pretty pricey. HD on your couch is much better.
  12. joey
    12. Posted by joey Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:11 pm EDT

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    that's so bad
  13. joey
    13. Posted by joey Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:11 pm EDT

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    that's so bad
  14. Nick L
    14. Posted by Nick L Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:37 pm EDT

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    That is true that they don't get good turnouts everywhere. In the summer of '04 I went to visit a buddy living in Atlanta for fourth of july weekend. We went to a game in which Schilling pitched for the Red Sox against Atlanta. Both teams were really good. This is the kind of game that you'd think would sell out. Not only did we buy tickets for 10 bucks outside turner field, but we then were able to move down to the lower section. My friend also told me that they had 2 for the price of 1 ticket deals when real bad teams like the pirates were in town.
  15. Timmy
    15. Posted by Timmy Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    TO #6 mike
    the knicks have always had a packed arena, even when they're gettin their ass whopped time after time, people still flood the garden, so i have no clue what the helll ur talking bout
  16. IAmThaGuru
    16. Posted by IAmThaGuru Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    I can only dream of lowering ticket prices. For the Lakers the tickets keep going up and up, and the games are always SOLD out! There are the mandatory 500 $10 tickets the league requires all teams to have and luckily I was able to pick some up this year for two games. But if you snooze you lose. I am actually envious of the small crowds at other arenas. Atleast there are tickets to be had.
  17. Stacy
    17. Posted by Stacy Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    The Mavs may not be the best team, but they sure do have loyal fans. They have the longest sell out streak in the NBA right now. People in Dallas support their teams.
  18. Jesse
    18. Posted by Jesse Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Anybody who does not recognize that the NBA product is not getting better must be stuck watching the 2 hours of commercials in the NFL. The NBA has so many young bright stars that are actually good role models. Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Amare Stoudimire, Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, David West, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, LaMarcu Aldridge, Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, OJ Mayo, Derrick Rose, Elton Brand, Devin Harris, Chris Bosh and of course Lebron James. That is not even including your old stars like Kobe, Ming, Dirk, Mcgraddy, Nash, etc. The problem with the NBA at this time is that the games just don't matter as much and with the economy the way it is people would rather save their money and go to the games later in the season when they mean something. People just don't know what they are missing though - the product just keeps gettting better and better!!
  19. tt
    19. Posted by tt Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    lower the f'n ticket prices! has nothing to do with the ref scandal, people dont care about that anymore, its the prices! you can spend 30-35 dollars at a brewers game and have amazing seats. 30-35 dollars will barely get you into the bradley center to see the bucks. ones a playoff team, and ones in the basement....does something not seem right here?
  20. DONALD N
    20. Posted by DONALD N Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:46 pm EDT

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    Who wants to pay outrageous ticket prices to watch a bunch of thankless, overpaid, arrogant bums drop a ball through a hoop? The NBA players act like the fans should be thankful they have the priviledge to watch them play.
  21. Jdub
    21. Posted by Jdub Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

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    Don't get me wrong, the fans aren't sold on ATL yet. We'll start showing up more after Christmas if they Hawks prove they won't implode. Also, they normally come close,if not do, sell out games on the weekend. Have you ever tried to get to Philips Arena (a REALLY NICE PLACE TO SEE A B-BALL OR HOCKEY GAME) at 7PM? Rush hour in one of the biggest cities in the country is just ending, and it's downtown, next to the GA Dome, with limited parking. It's a shame, b/c it's such a nice arena, and the team is playing well. But it's more of a pain is the @ss to get there than it is to actually see the game. You'd have to leave work early just to get to the game ontime. I know most other arenas are in downtown areas, too. But it's soooooooo tough to just get there (I know LAL, Boston, Chicago, etc....) all are difficult to get to as well, but those teams have a bigger history and haven't sucked for the last decade. The fans will start showing up, but the fact of the matter is that most ATLiens FORGOT that we had a basketball team over the past few years. When the games get more important and the season draws to a close, attendence will jump, trust me. However, if you root for a team like Memphis or Washington, why even bother going to the game to watch your team get crushed, and spend 2-300$ in the process?
  22. Jesse
    22. Posted by Jesse Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    Sorry, it was supposed to say 2 hours of comercials per NFL game
  23. Luis J
    23. Posted by Luis J Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:00 pm EDT

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    Hawks should move to Seattle.
  24. ......
    24. Posted by ...... Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:58 pm EDT

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    give some type of rebate to season ticket holders so that pricing on the rest can be reduced. obviously a cba (cost benefit analysis) would have to be done to find the price that makes the most sense but there is no other way to fill the seats in some of these cities. either that or clone kobe and lebron and sprinkle them around a few teams in trouble
  25. Charlie M
    25. Posted by Charlie M Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:22 pm EDT

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    OW!!! Miami had a lot of empty seats too! The economy is horrible, the number of ads for jobs in the paper has declined considerably. I know in Detroit, the number of pages in the help wanted dropped at least 6 pages. Paying for NBA games has become a low priority. Most of the money being used in the past decade or so was "fake money," and now we're paying the price. Atlanta is supposed to be a horrible market for sports teams. It's possibly something else was going on in the city that caused people not to go.
    I guess the NBA just needs to ride it out. However, the contract system and pay need to be revamped, even the Real Housewives of Atlanta implied NBA players and their wives have it great because of guaranteed contracts. While you see NFL players FIGHTING to make a roster and stay there, NBA players get their 20 million a year contracts and cruise. That's why the product is declining.

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