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This needs to stop.

I've spent the last few days reading bits and pieces from men whose work I admire and whose opinion I trust, guys like Johnny Ludden and David Thorpe; and, I'm sorry, I am the only one who doesn't think Greg Oden is a walking Saltine Cracker?

This guy isn't Sam Bowie, or Bill Walton. Sam Bowie and Bill Walton had bones that would continually break, over and over. The same bones. Put a little pressure on them, and boom, a stress fracture. Or a broken leg. Bones breaking, because their bones weren't all that great. Bones and breaking and breaking da bones.

Greg Oden has done this:

This). Broken his wrist.

This). Torn his knee and undergone microfracture surgery.

This). Twisted his ankle.

And, This). Sprained his foot.

In any of that, do we see the same injury, coming back time and time again?

He broke his wrist. That's a freak thing that can happen to anyone. He tore up his knee and needed the microfracture operation, a quick tear that can happen to anyone. It's happened to John Stockton, it's happened to Brian Grant, it's happened to Amare Stoudemire. He twisted his ankle, same thing. Andrew Bynum bear-hugged him as he planted to go up for a shot and his foot rolled over.

Freak thing. It could happen to anyone.

Greg Oden's giant body has nothing to do with the fact that his foot rolled over on Tuesday night. Absolutely nothing. He planted to go up, and was held by the second-biggest man on the court. Could happen to Shaq, it could happen to Steve Blake. It's happened to me, and save for a beer belly and bloated Irish mug, I hardly have a giant body that needs holding up.

Yao Ming, Bowie, Walton; these guys have all broken bones in their feet, feet that could not withstand the pressure of holding up their giant frame. That's entirely different. There is nothing about Oden's injuries that has anything to do with stress or wear and tear or anything brittle. I realize that I appeared to have jumped over to the Oden absolver camp with a post from a few weeks ago, so I'm aware of my reputation, but this is akin to comparing Kenyon Martin's injuries to Zydrunas Ilgauskas'.

Martin, as you'll recall, broke his leg in his senior year of college. Freak play. He then broke a different bone in his other leg toward the end of his rookie year with the Nets. Freak play. He's also undergone microfracture surgeries on both of his knees. Freak plays, both. This is not a history of things breaking down, this is a history of incredibly bad luck, something that Martin and his body had nothing to do with.

Big Z, on the other hand, kept breaking the same bones in his foot, and his career was essentially a wash for his first five or six seasons. That's different. That's not freakish, or something that can be (sadly) relied upon. That's something to be expected.

(And, it should be noticed, Big Z luckily overcame his issues. The same can't be said for Walton and Bowie, who had the same type of stress fractures. Here's hoping Yao Ming's career travels down Big Z's path.)

I don't see anything in Oden's injuries that tell me he's anything more than incredibly unlucky. There was nothing in what happened the other night that should tell us otherwise.

You think his microfracture or giant frame or broken wrist had ANYTHING to do with his foot rolling over as Andrew Bynum bear-hugged him? Come on. You think it has anything to do with his upper frame? There's no way. Every player in the NBA, given the similar trajectory and similar circumstances, would have done the same thing.

He may be clumsy, but he'll be fine. This isn't wishful thinking. Promise.

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  1. vimal p
    1. Posted by vimal p Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:19 pm EDT

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    Oden reminds me of Big Country Reeves
  2. L8kr H8r
    2. Posted by L8kr H8r Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:20 pm EDT

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    All true: Unfortunately 'injury-prone' isn't a label that is based on medical wisdom. It's based on a long history of athletes (not just in the NBA, think NFL as well) that get injured and miss time are more likely than others to get injured and miss time again.
    Whether this is due to over-compensation of other joints, bad-luck, brittle bones, whatever, it's pretty well documented. I hope Oden gets better, but arguing (contrarily as you like to do) that this is just sheer bad luck and eventually that will reverse it's course doesn't fit here.
  3. fishonmyplane
    3. Posted by fishonmyplane Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:00 pm EDT

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    I think he's just had some bad luck. He'll be fine.
  4. Brett
    4. Posted by Brett Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    Agreed that all the pessimism seems overboard.
    Considering how Big Z has managed to stop being injury prone, I wonder if Bill Walton and Bowie played today/had access to modern medicine and treatment if they might not have been able to overcome their issues? A pointless what-if I know, but...
  5. JT
    5. Posted by JT Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:57 pm EDT

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    I hope oden is fine i just picked him up off the wire holla GO SKINS
  6. nja700
    6. Posted by nja700 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    What always gets me is when people describe a player (Camby gets this a lot) as "fragile" or "brittle" because of their injury history. These are the most physically fit, large, muscular beings on the planet. There's not one athlete in the NBA who is "fragile." It gets even more ridiculous when you talk about the NFL, where 200+ lb men run into one another at full speed.
  7. Zach H. from Talk H.
    7. Posted by Zach H. from Talk H. Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:00 pm EDT

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    I think you make a great point that the rest of the media fails to see. These are freak occurrences and not things that look like nagging and lingering injuries. A sprained foot? I sprained my foot writing this comment. It's not THAT big of a deal. Good work, KD.
  8. idizzle
    8. Posted by idizzle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    You'd think he sustained worst sprained ankle in the history of mankind.
  9. NBA Noise
    9. Posted by NBA Noise Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:45 pm EDT

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    Really interesting insights. He has certainly been "prone" to injury thus far in his career, recurring injuries or not (well, in this case not). It will be interesting to see if this "prone-ness" continues. The one thing that is important to remember is that isolated injuries hold within them the potential to be chronic or nagging in the future. A tweak of the same injury later can make it more susceptible to occur later. That being said, I think that it's completely possible that this has just been a rash of bad luck. My concern with Oden is that he just gets back into basketball shape - which he clearly wasn't on opening night. Playing a professional sport when you are out of shape is just asking to get hurt again.
  10. Adam
    10. Posted by Adam Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:45 pm EDT

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    When it comes to player production and reliability, what's the difference between a bad-luck player and one with a single chronic problem? Oden has missed 82.5 games out of 83.
    It's perfectly reasonable to rationally apply his past in order to predict his future.
    So far Oden has displayed that he is MORE fragile than the majority of his peers and therefore, more of a liability.
    It's almost worse that he hasn't injured himself in the same spot. No telling where the next injury will happen.
  11. donvey lindsey
    11. Posted by donvey lindsey Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:46 pm EDT

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    another big ten bust
  12. mongowax
    12. Posted by mongowax Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:25 pm EDT

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    Thanks KD...
    That matches up with my POV also.
    Does his wrist or even his micro still bother him? Reportedly not. His wrist is years ago, and the knee isn't even giving him any pain and his only remaining problem was conditioning.
    To take a normal basketball injury and turn it into injury prone-ness is way jumping the gun. EVEN IF Oden DOES become 'injury prone', it doesn't make people saying it now correct-- it is a guess, because nothing has happened thus far to suggest it. Just two wierd injuries, and then a b-ball twisted ankle that happens every week.
    Horrible timing it happened in the first quarter of the first game of the season... oh well. What can ya do. Not freak out, I hope.
  13. idizzle
    13. Posted by idizzle Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    Missing a whole year with one major injury, forcing him to not step foot in a game setting for 16 months takes it's toll. There was no way he was going to be ready to play, game one. Give him some time to get his timing back, get his feel back and get his legs back.
    He just may be prone to injury's, but writing him off at age 20, after an ankle sprain is REALLY jumping the gun.
  14. tupark82
    14. Posted by tupark82 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    nice article
  15. Samuel V
    15. Posted by Samuel V Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    i dont think he was all that hurt. they benched him cuz he looked like a lost dog out their on the court and sucked balls. this is just a coverup and i dont buy it. i saw the game and he looked fine. greg oden is not, in any shape or form, a good center in today's game.
  16. John
    16. Posted by John Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:05 pm EDT

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    Finally someone writing about Oden the way it really is. It is just a foot sprain, not another knee or wrist problem. Players in the NBA get injured people and it probably wont be the last time Oden gets hurt. It does not mean that he wont develop into one of the most dominant big men in the game and soon be knocking Bynum on his butt. As a Blazer fan I am not so focused on Oden but more on Roy, Aldridge and the rest of the team to see how well they can play together, and if they can mesh as a team, when Oden returns in a couple weeks things should get fun.
    Happy Halloween and Go Blazers!!!
  17. idrive250
    17. Posted by idrive250 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    He can always fall back on those hilarious GEICO commercials, he & Jerry Stackhouse crack me up!!
  18. R2J
    18. Posted by R2J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:45 pm EDT

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    Oden has a long wayyyyyyyyy to goooooo. Give him at least 2 to 3 years he'll be good. Right now he has too much pressure and Blazers expectation ...Remember he is still a rookie...and lots more to learn about the BIG Man's game in the League.Good luck Blazer fans.
  19. R2J
    19. Posted by R2J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:45 pm EDT

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    Oden has a long wayyyyyyyyy to goooooo. Give him at least 2 to 3 years he'll be good. Right now he has too much pressure and Blazers expectation ...Remember he is still a rookie...and lots more to learn about the BIG Man's game in the League.Good luck Blazer fans.
  20. N. Y. NIGHTMARE
    20. Posted by N. Y. NIGHTMARE Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    Sam bowie
  21. jckmove10
    21. Posted by jckmove10 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:30 pm EDT

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    Doesnt matter if he is healthy or not, foul prone in 1 yr of college and now the pro's.
  22. Jack Nicholson
    22. Posted by Jack Nicholson Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:53 pm EDT

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    INJURIES is the least of his worries. The kid (kid? uh-huh - how old is he really??) has NO offensive game. He couldn't get a shot over Vlade Radmanovic (yep, RADMANOVIC!!) And his defensive game is way OVERRATED! Pau BLEW PAST him for a lay-up like he was a lamppost! HARHAR! LAKERRRRSSS!!!
  23. toomanytrophies
    23. Posted by toomanytrophies Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 pm EDT

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    I think he's 35, therefore more prone to injury.
  24. ASGisChillin
    24. Posted by ASGisChillin Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    i agree with you on this. and I'll also add that those looking for him to be dominant 1 year after microfracture surgery should take a look at amare as an example. the amare of this season looks awesome. he has his ups back and all of his quickness. he looks very much the player who lit up the spurs for 40 a game in the playoffs. but if you look at him the year after surgery he looked slow, not nimble and tentative relative to his game before and after. as that season went on he got better and better to the point where they stopped talking about whether he would get it back. i saw the same thing in oden in his first game. he clearly is months away from having his body be fully healed from that surgery. he looked tentative, not explosive, out of shape and slow. his game looked rusty at best and then of course he got hurt. but give the guy a break. if he looks the same way at the end of the season then sound the alarm. but the reality is that the real greg oden, healthy, quick for his size, and athletic should be surfacing next season. he'll spend most of this one working towards that.
  25. R2J
    25. Posted by R2J Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:45 pm EDT

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    We have not watched a full game and it' too early to judge.. . give this guy oden a break to prove himself. His real potential of what he can do in the court has yet to come. ..compare the rest of the NBA centers during their rookie year...theyr'e all struggles...they've learned how matured and grew from their game in order to be dominant centers and be successful...

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