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Cleveland at Orlando
; San Antonio at Phoenix

Two great games on tonight, you can watch them at home with the laptop in lap, joining us for a BDL live blog, or you can head out to OJ Dingo's to take in the fun. Actually, OJ Dingo's probably has free Wi-Fi, so take the laptop there and have it both ways.

Both contests are worth your time, and attention, and this is probably as good a time as any to take on a couple of odds and ends regarding two of tonight's participants.

I get snooty and haughty after the jump ...

This is a good read, discussing LeBron James in essentially what has become a transition year: 2008-09 being the year where everyone made the transition to realize that he's the best player in the game, a year too late. A great column, no doubt, but I do take issue with one part of the piece:

" ... [last season, James] sometimes looked like he was chucking pumpkins at the backboard. According to NBA.com, he hit only 37.1% of his two-point jumpers from the top of the key and the wings, which are the money spots for an off-the-dribble midrange shooter."

First off, how is a 20-foot shot a "midrange" shot? I could see it being a "midrange" shot if the three-point arc was 40 feet from the hoop, but that's not the most ridiculous assertion.

37 percent from 20 feet, when 35 percent from 24 feet is the league average, is pretty damn normal, if not "good." I mean, Joe Johnson has a rep as a midrange guy, and he shot 36.8 percent from that area last year according to NBA.com. Was he "chucking pumpkins"?

This isn't to say LeBron's shot hasn't improved this year, it has. But the guy was destroying teams last year. It's just the collective, "it's time to bestow unparalleled greatness on him anecdotally, now let's work backwards to find out why"-nonsense has made its way to James.

Also, I've got a bit of bad news (in a way) for Andrew, who queried the TBJ boys about why, exactly, the Phoenix Suns turn it over so damn much. In the question, Matt Barnes was mentioned as someone who "is not a big source for turnovers," and that made sense to me upon the initial listen. But things go a little deeper than that.

Barnes is only averaging 1.9 turnovers a game, which doesn't seem that problematic until you realize how few times he touches the ball over the course of a game, and how many minutes (less than 27 per) he's playing. Because Barnes' role is to defend, then catch and shoot, those 1.9 turnovers take up quite a bit of his working day.

In fact, 14 percent of the possessions that Barnes uses up turn into a turnover, and that's good for 18th-worst in the NBA. Amar'e is 35th. Shaq is 65th. The easy answer is to point to Amar'e, who has been lackadaisical at times with his offensive play this year, but for him to have the ball in his hands as much as he does, playing the minutes (37 a game) he does, on a team with that many possessions per game ... and only turn it over three times a game? That's pretty solid.

And Steve Nash? He's 9th-worst in the league at turnover rate. Uh oh. Let's not tell anyone about that.

Cleveland Cavaliers: 35-8, 89.4 possessions per game (25th), 113 points scored per 100 possessions (3rd), 101.2 points allowed per 100 possessions (2nd). 

Orlando Magic: 34-10, 92.6 possessions per game (10th), 110.3 points scored per 100 possessions (5th), 101.5 points allowed per 100 possessions (3rd).

San Antonio Spurs: 30-14, 88.4 possessions per game (26th), 107.9 points scored per 100 possessions (13th), 104.7 points allowed per 100 possessions (4th).

Phoenix Suns: 25-18, 93.8 possessions per game (6th), 110.1 points scored per 100 possessions (7th), 109 points allowed per 100 possessions (21st). 

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  1. Roger Mason Jr. = Hero
    1. Posted by Roger Mason Jr. = Hero Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    and besides, who chucks pumpkins anyhow?
  2. Brett S
    2. Posted by Brett S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:27 pm EDT

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    james is king. chucking pumpkins? lbj is making almost 50% of his shots this year. he is the best player in the game.
  3. Jacob S
    3. Posted by Jacob S Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:27 pm EDT

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    Snooty and haughty, the two main reasons I enjoy KD's post
  4. elth
    4. Posted by elth Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    He is now. He wasn't last year, regardless of how many times Kelly repeats it.
    Go Magic.
  5. Andrew K
    5. Posted by Andrew K Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    No, Kobe was the best last year. This is the transition - Kobe is handing, so to speak, Lebron the "best player" title this year. On the other hand, they both have some pretty great teams around them this year...
    But yeah, Cavs/Magic is the real one to watch. Suns/Spurs? Like last night's Mavs-Warriors game, I think this one might have been a bit more relevant 2 years ago.
    Reasons for the Suns turnovers? This team has no idea what to do on offense. They run 2 entirely different systems of play - at random - but if they were to pick one, they might lessen the turnovers. For once, I think the turnovers are somewhat to blame on the coach.
  6. entengg
    6. Posted by entengg Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:22 pm EDT

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    Sunz are gonn get their revenge
  7. Brandon G- Talkhoops.net
    7. Posted by Brandon G- Talkhoops.net Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    I once saw LeBron James chuck The Great Pumpkin, but he had to wait until Linus fell asleep.
  8. Sean M
    8. Posted by Sean M Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    first off, you stole that comment about "midrange from what? 40 ft?" from a recent game broadcast, I can't remember which guy said it, possibly Van Gundy.
    Yes midrange is from 20 feet, 15-20 feet, because 12 feet (half of 3 point line) is inside the paint which is considered close range
    DON'T RIP PEOPLE OFF
  9. UnbiasedFan-idiot Dirk Nut Hugger,
    9. Posted by UnbiasedFan-idiot Dirk Nut Hugger, Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    lebronze-me? 9 of 28 from the field?? He's awesome, the greatest, the best, the MVP, the best clutch player, multi-awarded player, the king, the invincible, the most talented.........but exclusively for the Cavs hearts only not in the entire league.
  10. UnbiasedFan-idiot Dirk Nut Hugger,
    10. Posted by UnbiasedFan-idiot Dirk Nut Hugger, Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    NY Cavalier for Lebronze-me in 2010. Believe me, mark my word.
  11. KD
    11. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Stole it? Perhaps you read me use it in BtB, last week. Van Gundy/Jax are the biggest practitioner of the "midrange" BS.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Behind-the-Box-Score-where-the-Bulls-are-mixed-?urn=nba,135764
    DON'T BE NOT SMART
  12. KD
    12. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    Third paragraph, btw.
  13. Erock
    13. Posted by Erock Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:55 pm EDT

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    Too funny KD (above post). Magic/Cav game was good until the end. The Cavs got caught up playing the refs instead of playing the game. They whined about calls, but the refs called it that way for both teams. Great game in that respect, I hate watching free throws unless they are necessary to get rid of lazy defenders (Charlotte fans cry at once...BYNUM). Funny part was that Cleveland shot more free throws in that game than the Magic. Morale of the story, play the game, not the whistle.
  14. D_Man, Cub_Fan
    14. Posted by D_Man, Cub_Fan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    I was worried about my Magic after losing to the Celtics, an d THEN the HEAT! Sometimes they play down to the competition, like the Heat the other night. I could accept losing to the Celtics on that night b/c we were unable to work the in-to-out offense, and nobody was hitting any 3's. Of course, they do say, "Live by the 3, Die by the 3". Tonight's game versus the Cavs was nearly flawless. The Magic was down early, got to within one point by halftime, and then blew it out in the third. The 3's started falling, and like KD said, the Cavs worried too much about the officiating. Both teams did not get to the line often, in fact, the Cavs made 2 more FTs than the Magic (and 2 of Orlando's FTs came from Technical Fouls). The Cavs has only beaten the Magic once in the last 7 or 8 games (to tired to look it up). I hope Orlando can end up with the 1 seed in the East, but they will probably have to settle for the 2 seed. I think the Magic can beat almost everyone in the East, but will have big trouble with Boston. The Magic has 2 more games versus each team, so we'll see who becomes the real "Beast of the East".
    Doc D
  15. Joe G
    15. Posted by Joe G Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:16 pm EDT

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    of course 20 ft is mid range
  16. greg_oden_is_my_grandpa
    16. Posted by greg_oden_is_my_grandpa Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    I thought it was you who had said that KD. Some people just like to hate on writers.
    Dumb people news flash: If you don't like a writer, or if you think he doesn't know his stuff, you have 2 options that make you look smart and 1 that makes you look retarded.
    Smart option #1. Go read a different site.
    Smart option #2. If you think the guy can't write, go start your own site.
    Dumb people option... Make a comment about how a writer sucks or is a homer or that he doesn't know his stuff.
    If you don't like KD or Skeets writing then WHY THE F*** ARE YOU ON THIS SITE?!?!?!?!?!
  17. Sean M
    17. Posted by Sean M Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:10 pm EDT

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    regardless of whether i'm right or wrong, who said I don't like their writing? who said I don't think he knows his stuff?
    its called disagreement. he says 20 feet is midrange, i say it isn't... thats it. some people think lebron is better than jordan, others disagree. i read these articles because i like basketball, and they are about basketball...
    also, that might have been the dumbest comeback i've ever read "DON'T BE NOT SMART"
    that one made me laugh

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