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There's little point in trying to articulate and put into words just how fascinating a prospect Shaun Livingston was during the 2004-05 season. Highlight packages like these miss the point.

Partially because a well-placed tenor solo goes longer toward trying to express just how brilliant this kid's prospects look, but mostly because I've tried, several times, including more than a few times during these recent summer months. You just can't put your fingers around it. 

What we can try, as a poor replacement, is attempt to convince you to give this kid a miss during the 2008-09 season. Sure, the Miami Heat saw fit to sign him for the upcoming term, while the Timberwolves and others saw fit to show interest, but we (the backers, the punters, those in between) have to remember that this kid's rehab is not finished.

As late as 2006-07, his last full season with the Los Angeles Clippers, Livingston was still trying to develop the sort of upper and lower body strength needed to not only become a starting-quality NBA guard (criticisms that have rightfully dogged him since his pre-draft workouts in 2004), but someone who could be counted on to play half an NBA game 65 times over the course of a season.

That was two years ago, and though the Clippers were and are a skinflint organization when it comes to bulking up in the strength and training department, it's going to take more than a change of practice court scenery for Livingston to turn things around.

That doesn't mean that he can't turn it around, or that 82 percent of basketball junkies out there wouldn't give 82 percent of their kidneys to see this kid working at full strength, but it's going to be another season of underwater work and treadmill time. That's just how things are going to flow, so we'd like to ask that we wait a while before presuming that the "finished" label works with Mr. Livingston. Apologies for repeating myself, but partially because it would depress the hell out of your humble narrator, and mainly because it wouldn't be true, even next June.

The Heat needs help at point guard. Mario Chalmers has been so underrated since his June selection by Miami that it's gotten to the point where people have convinced themselves that he'll be a starting-quality NBA point man this year, thereby rendering him overrated. Chalmers can be an All-Star by his third year for all we know, but things have gotten a little out of hand at this point.

Marcus Banks is still trying to throw footballs over mountains, Chris Quinn and his wispy little mustache are still trying to park in the players' parking lot without being asked for ID, and beyond all jokes, that's still a passable enough rotation. Not great, certainly with holes, but not worth fretting terribly over. Not when Dwyane Wade is going to lead the team in assists anyway.

So as a fourth guard, let's remind ourselves not to rail when he doesn't see but 14 minutes in a month, or can't see the court in a 30-point win or loss. This is still a rebuilding year, those legs (among other body parts) have to work themselves into passable NBA shape, and the guy just turned 23.

There's time. Let's give it to him.

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  1. the REAL Headless Chicken
    1. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    Sorry KD, again I stumbled over the first sentence typo and failed to understand the article. Now that I figured, I'll try again...
  2. the REAL Headless Chicken
    2. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    If you write about this return that much, what do you think about Darius Miles trying to come back with the Celtics? I mean, any parallels?
  3. eddie
    3. Posted by eddie Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    Morning Munday, KD.
    You mentioned how fascinating of a prospect this kid was back in 04. I feel that this is part of the reason why we're all rooting so hard for him right now. Knicks making the playoffs aside, seeing Shaun live up to a little bit of that potential and contribute to Miami would be my favourite story of this season.
    I don't know much about the nature of his injuries and all that, but I am wondering, is there any way that he can come back 100%, or will he always be damaged goods?
  4. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    4. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Shaun's a good kid. Too bad he doesn't have an NBA body. He's far too fragile to play against those type of men. The Clippers really blew it when they could've traded him for A.I. and refused. They'd have had a superstar to play with Brand and compete with The Lakers in LA. Instead they chose to keep a rail thin and fragile guy with potential. That defined the Clipper franchise when he went down with an injury most could've predicted. History keeps repeating itself with them. Then, they let him walk for nothing in return after all is said and done. Brilliant Elgin, simply brilliant.
  5. Comon
    5. Posted by Comon Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:09 pm EDT

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    shouldn't it be shaun's job to bulk up in an offseason, not the clippers organisation?
  6. khandor
    6. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    KD,
    Amen ... to your take on Shaun Livingston.
    That is the exact approach to adopt with this young man, who has undergone a devastating knee injury.
    If he can make it back ... in 2 [or 3 more] years time it would be a recovery for the ages.
    Here's to hoping that he does.
  7. Imran Q
    7. Posted by Imran Q Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    as a clipper fan we are all rooting for him, i wish he could have stayed a clip but i guess it was time for both to move on, i will never forgot his game before he got hurt, i was at staples center and he dominated the warriors with his best performance of his career, and then he got hurt and everything has continued down hill from their on.
    OUT
  8. Cc
    8. Posted by Cc Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    who the hell roots for the clippers when you've got the lakers living here??
    LAKERS 08-09 NBA CHAMPIONS!!
    KB24 FINALS MVP, REGULAR SEASON MVP, ALL-STAR MVP!!!!!!!!!
  9. SwitCh
    9. Posted by SwitCh Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    ^i hate retards like that. kobe will never see the finals again. end of story.
    back to the topic. the livingston injury was devastating to watch, i can't even imagine how much the recovering process is putting a strain on his body. i don't think anybody is relying on this kid to be ready to play full strength within the next year, but the potential was worth the risk in this case for the heat. they suck anyway. they could use the improvement.
  10. No Se Va
    10. Posted by No Se Va Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    his injury was more like a car wreck injury. There was nothing in the joint, not even bone on bone. The sounds of crepida reverberating through the gym. (a good word. Look it up.) That he is back is a miracle. As much as Jason Wiliams with the Bulls. More so than Darius Miles. He wont be walking in twenty years, but maybe he can give all you fans a couple of good years of basketball.
    Go shaun! We're rooting for you.
  11. Don
    11. Posted by Don Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:35 pm EDT

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    I think this is the right approch for SL. He's only 23, he has the time to fully heal and grow stronger. Having him on a pro team, in the mix, will help him keep his timing and skills up. That's what made him great to watch. Amazing court vision.
  12. snake
    12. Posted by snake Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:38 pm EDT

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    #9: "I hate retards like that." "...the heat. they suck anyway..." hmmmmm......Amazin' how people don't recognize their own faults
  13. K NEL
    13. Posted by K NEL Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    I agree with KD for the most part. I think he'll atleast see 15 to 20 minutes in the second half of the season. I mean he's been cleared to play 5 on 5 for the last 5 to 6 months and has been. By the second half the of the season is when I expect to see him play some minutes. Chalmers is going to be a stud at PG. Darius Miles hasn't looked bad at all. In fact he's touching the top of the box off BOTH legs now. There are some in the league now that can only do it with one leg and they're healthy. Especially seeing him cram down dunks in training camp during half court scrimmages thats real scary as I still don't think we've seen his full game/potential yet
  14. K NEL
    14. Posted by K NEL Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    typo I mean there are some in the league that can't touch the top of the box jumping off one healthy leg. my fault
  15. bobby
    15. Posted by bobby Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm EDT

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    as usual, u come up with idiotic comments dwyer. if anyone is overrated, its dwayne wade. yeh, dude will lead the heat in assists with like 3 per game? wades a freakin overrated ballhog! this heat team gone have 15 wins again this year!
  16. sportsnut888
    16. Posted by sportsnut888 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:02 pm EDT

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    Spot on. Livingston has some real talent, but he's likely at least a year (or two) away from being what he was before the injury. With his knee healing, he'll be able to put the time in the weight room to bulk up his body to play NBA level basketball.
    Hope the fans give him time, and understand the process in recovering from the knee injury he had. He's only 23, hasn't even come close to entering his prime yet.
  17. wordsworth
    17. Posted by wordsworth Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:47 pm EDT

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    KD you are becoming one of the most uninteresting writters on yahoo.
  18. GL
    18. Posted by GL Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    I just want to wish the best for Shaun Livingston.
    I just watched the video of the play that he got injured, and I cannot bear to watch it a second time. I guess he won't turn out to be the next Magic, but I hope that he will be a positive role model to all who has gone certain difficulties. Wins and losses aren't everything, because ultimately, basketball is just a game. People's lives are more important. And I am rooting for Shaun to turn his around.
  19. Justin
    19. Posted by Justin Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    Heat writer Ira Winderman put it best: think of Livingston as the Heat's 2009 first rounder (since he won't be ready for another year and they actually don't have a 1st rounder for 2009).
  20. Taletha
    20. Posted by Taletha Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    I wish a quick recovery for Mr. Livingston too. The tape is frightening! Hes' a remarkable story simply by setting foot on the court again after such an injury....
  21. I Am The World's Most Interesting Man
    21. Posted by I Am The World's Most Interesting Man Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    This was a poorly written article. What is your point? You make no predictions about who will take the Heat's starting point guard spot. That's what I was waiting for, not a sarcastic remark about Chris Quinn. Quinn put up a lot of steals and assists late last season. You don't talk about Chalmers so where was this article really headed? Bad article.
  22. Fernando
    22. Posted by Fernando Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    Shaun com back to L.A
  23. fattbank64
    23. Posted by fattbank64 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:58 pm EDT

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    Poster number 4 was correct. Elgin Baylor refused to trade Livingston for Allen Iverson because of potential. What a crock of s#$t. Whether you like A.I. or not, 25 ppg scorers do not grow on trees. As added insult to injury (bad joke), the Clips missed the playoffs by two games that season. Think A.I. could have helped?
  24. sithlord0623
    24. Posted by sithlord0623 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:25 pm EDT

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    D-Wade is one of the best and im a Mavericks fan, the dudes not the best team player true but give him time. It took Kobe like nine years to be a good team mate, but he got the idea. HELLO HE HAS A RING I HATE THE HEAT,GO MAVS

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