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The message boards and the Google translators along with the message board translators and the weird little division between the whole message (guys with goatees who used to call themselves "the Rocket Guy," what a guy ...) and Its Translators seemed to go a bit nuts about Ben Gordon yesterday. 

If things are in order, it appears as if CSKA Moscow has offered Gordon a 5.5 million dollar deal to play basketball for them next season, which would appear to be a step below the 6.4 million the Chicago Bulls offered him to play this season, or the starting salary of a little over seven million (part of a six-year, 59 million dollar deal) they offered Ben beyond that.

As it stands, all of them would trump the 0.00 million dollar deal any other NBA team has offered him thus far.

As it stands, Ben looks a right nutter for not taking Chicago's shorter offer. He isn't.

As it is, Ben is a right nutter for not taking Chicago's longer offer.

As it should be pointed out, Ben will make quite a bit more money than you'd imagine if he'd pass on both Chicago offers, and go to Russia for a season. Then again, who knows what money he'd be forfeiting by playing one year overseas and coming back to the same exact situation (working as a restricted free agent under Chicago's thumb, being offered the Qualifying Offer of 6.4 million) next summer?

That said, 5.5 (CSKA) ain't 6.4 (Bulls, QO). Or even 7.5ish (Bulls, extension).

Even if he did take the Russian contract, Ben wouldn't be making "less" with CSKA. He'd be making more. Much more. If the reports are correct, suggestions that I've read on the internet are true, and my iffy math met with help from people are trusted are to be, uh, trusted, Ben would stand to gain a little under nine million bucks all day from signing with CSKA for next season.

With the Bulls, at 6.4 million for 2008-09? Ben would make about four million total after taxes. Or, a little less, depending on whom I would listen to. Yes, he'd be in it for the money. But he'd also be in it for more than twice the money. Wouldn't we all?

And he'd also be turning down a six-year, 59 million dollar contract. Wouldn't we would not be? You heard me.

The Bulls would hold his QO rights after this season in that scenario which, let's face it, in today's NBA climate means quite a bit. Half the teams out there seem to be clearing space for 2010, and most of the teams that appear to want Ben (New Orleans always seems to be at the top of that list) don't have the means to either clear space or send players Chicago's way in return to put Ben on the team at the price he thinks he's worth and on the team he thinks he wants to be on.

And while there are a batch of non-2010 teams willing to sign players in 2009 without thinking that they're going to grab LeBron/D-Wade/Chris Bosh the year after, would these outfits be really willing to put the money across necessary to secure Gordon's services?

Especially because Ben believes that he's worth 12-13 a year this year, and after taking what he'd consider to be a pay cut (remember, diminished exposure means a lot to these guys, throw that in with what they believe to be a diminished salary despite the tax breaks, and most American free agents would expect bidding teams to pay for the perceived sins of other teams), I just don't see any from next year's batch being willing to pay Ben what he's wanting right now.

Or, he could take that Russian offer, watch as the Bulls trade away Andres Nocioni or dump Kirk Hinrich after Hinrich spends one more year as Chicago's point guard with a teenaged Derrick Rose on the sidelines, and come back to a Bulls team willing to come just as close to the luxury tax as they were this summer (that is to say, just under it) while paying Gordon what he thinks he deserves.

Would Chicago fans put up with that? The smart ones would. The pull-up-your-bootstraps ones? Yeah, they wouldn't go for it. And they'd have to deal with another season full of 88-79 losses. And they're still ticked that Ditka went with Doug Flutie over Mike Tomczak and that Channel 26 started showing Homeboys in Outer Space a decade ago.

(Actually, when it comes to those last two, I can't complain. But the Gordon stereotypes are still wrong.)

The tough guy buildup regarding Ben's approach to offense, and a supposed lack of defense, it's pointless. He's not horrible defensively, and that's not on a relative scale while including his height issues. I'd much prefer him chasing around a top shooting guard to, say, Ray Allen or Michael Redd. Gordon, at least, seems to care.

The Bulls were 1st in defense in 2006-07 with Ben playing 33 minutes per game. This isn't like baseball, where you can pick and choose things working in spite of mitigating circumstances ("but the Cards won the Series in '06 with Eckstein at short!"); Gordon was there, he did his best, he didn't hurt things. The "he's short" ideal just doesn't work.

Worse, without Gordon, Chicago would boast the most inefficient offense of any talented team you could possibly imagine. It would be ridiculously bad, and that's taking into consideration the expected improvement of the team's young core, and the addition of Derrick Rose.

And I know what you -- Mike North-missers, all -- are thinking. The idea that people have about scoring types on poor offenses, how they couldn't possibly contribute to an efficient one ... I'll never get it.

Chicago has been horrible for years on the offensive end, despite a few winning seasons. That doesn't mean, working within an improving and more efficient offense (with, crazy idea, better players around him), that Gordon couldn't ease off and contribute more once the ball didn't end up in his hands 25 feet from the hoop on 75 percent of the possessions he took part in. You remember. With the offense and his coaches and his team begging him to save the day after yet another play fell short.

Gordon has taken his fair share of bad shots as a Bull, but as an ardent watcher an objective observer of the inner workings of the team (not the team itself, natch), it's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of these bad shots (or, memorable bad shots) have come because he's had no other recourse than to take a bad shot. Except, of course, recourse in taking in a 24-second violation. That may have been preferable. It's listed as a team, and not a personal, turnover, after all.

The guy has been in a hopeless situation. He's not Dwyane Wade. He has the quickness, but not the strength, none of the length, and he's lacking the big hands that make guys like Wade, Allen Iverson, or Rod Strickland such brilliant finishers in the paint.

(Which means, of course, he should get half what someone like Wade gets. It means Chicago's offer is fair. It doesn't mean Bulls fans should turn up their noses at Gordon, or expect the worst should he come back.)

Gordon is World B. Free, or Vinnie Johnson, but with a better attitude. You can't tell me otherwise. We'd all like to see him get to the free throw line more, but that's not happening with his gifts.

And despite this embarrassing summer, his attitude about playing (he's the hardest-working Bull during the offseason, he's hardly made a stink despite ample opportunity about being taken in and out of the starting lineup for arbitrary reasons by coaches who were grasping and struggling with superstition) has been the best Chicago's Bulls have had to offer in recent times. You won't see him mope like Hinrich, loaf like Deng, or take his frustrations out inappropriately like Joakim Noah, Nocioni, or Tyrus Thomas.

And as a partial observer, what with those red and black bedsheets and all, I can tell you that Gordon is far, far down the cringe list of the "no, no, DON'T SHOOT THAT!" fulmination register. Nocioni, Hinrich, the dearly departed Chris Duhon, Luol Deng ... the list goes on. It seriously does.

That's not me trying to make a point. Desperately trying to retain a 6-2 shooting guard flies in the face of every bit of basketball knowledge that I've spent years wasting away/putting together.

No, I wouldn't trust him to watch my kids, but he can help this team. At the price they're offering.

And taking the Russian offer, it won't help things. It won't help him get a better deal this upcoming summer, because those things just aren't out there. And those desperate teams just won't be pushing to fly past the luxury tax (once they sign Gordon outright and extend their own players a year later) to make him happy.

It's an uneasy partnership, I submit, but it's beyond ridiculous that things have gotten this uneasy between Gordon and Chicago.

Deal with it, Ben.

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  1. JP
    1. Posted by JP Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    i know its the end of summer and probably the slowest time for basketball news/gossip, but that was probably the most poorly written article i have ever read on this site. the first nine paragraphs were unreadable. throughout, the sentences were choppy and unnecessarily wordy and parentheses were grossly overused. the author is overwriting, causing the ideas in the article to be drowned-out by superfluous language and confusing sentence structure. it is really difficult to read (and not in a good james joyce kind of way).
    here are two basic grammatical suggestions for the author:
    1) try not to write like you speak, even if it is a blog
    2) in most cases simpler is better
    i regularly visit the site and actually really like kd's basketball analysis, but i felt like something had to be said.
  2. Hooch
    2. Posted by Hooch Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    This is going to end up a Lose-Lose situation. Ben isn't going to get near the money that he
    currently wants and the Bulls will probably lose him and get little in return. The Bulls will be
    better next year but this is an unbalanced team. Paxson tries and I understand most of his
    basketball decisions. He doesn't seen to be a very good negotiator and misses out on
    opportunities. Deng is good but the Bulls paid way too much for him, same as Noch and Kirk. The Bulls need a better Business man involved in these personnel decisions.
  3. Duk
    3. Posted by 'Duk Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    The fact that there is zero hand-wringing, griping or, heck, even talk about this around town should tell you all you need to know about Chicago's feelings toward Ben Gordon.
  4. Trey
    4. Posted by Trey Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    Sorry KD, but JP is right. I love your content, I've learned a ton from you, but I'm not a fan of your style. It's just exhausting.
  5. HP
    5. Posted by HP Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Hate to do it, but I have to agree with JP. Much of this post is unreadable, and doing terrible things to my pre-coffee mind. Guess you can't win em all.
  6. Fran T
    6. Posted by Fran T Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    ah, the first paragraph is jumbled but there's no content there so it doesn't matter. the rest was fairly easy to read.
    i didnt know strickland (and ai for that matter) had big hands. what's your source KD? did Rod try to strangle you when he found out you're named after Kelly tripuka?
  7. Ty
    7. Posted by Ty Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

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    "Wouldn't we would not be?"
    At this point, my head hath exploded. (See: Scanners)
  8. hardwoodparoxysm
    8. Posted by hardwoodparoxysm Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:16 pm EDT

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    I can't really agree with the copy editing, but then, I have no sense for such things.
    I think Gordon's worth what the Bulls are offering. That's it. Instead of blaming the front office for dragging their heels (which is something they do a lot of), they should be applauded for refusing to overpay a player who doesn't bring the value to the court for the money he desires. Just because he's not worth $13 million a year over 3 years doesn't mean he's not worth anything. But why would you handicap yourself down the line with so much young talent by investing heavily in a player with a limited skill set and ceiling? It's true that primary if not elite scorers don't grow on trees, but they're not near as rare as a competent set of point guards or an interior scorer. If the market was vastly different, Gordon's skills would probably justify his demands. But it isn't, and they don't.
  9. Scott A
    9. Posted by Scott A Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:53 pm EDT

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    I totally agree with every comment here -- Kelly's train of thought was hard to follow, and Gordon has been made a fair long-term offer (considering his role on the team and how long he can be expected to last, physically).
  10. KD
    10. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    I'm pretty much bored with the way that most sports write-ups are taken care of, and I don't really care to sound like anyone else, so it's just going to run how it runs at this point.
  11. The Devil
    11. Posted by The Devil Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    Considering Isaiah Thomas is unemployed at the moment, I doubt the Bulls have any viable way of unloading Larry Hughes and his ridiculous contract. I've heard the Blazers are offering Outlaw and Przybilla in some concerted effort to get Hinrich, but the Bulls don't need either of those guys. However, if they could unload Hughes and Hinrich and find some way to get Webster thrown in on the deal, I'd say do it. Then bring Gordon back if they wanted. They need to do something soon though, because right now they only have 11 players under contract. 12 if they re-sign Demetris Nichols, which they probably won't unless Gordon doesn't sign. Waiting on his decision may end up costing them a decent back up center, which they need when you consider they're working with Noah, Gray, and Cedric Simmons at the 5. They could go for Juwan Howard. He's from Chicago and would be a good veteran presence for Noah and Thomas. Howard's always been known as a classy guy, even if he doesn't have any game left he could still contribute in the locker room. Same goes for Lorenzen Wright and Raef LaFrentz.. Sorry, I'm just tired of the only Bulls talk being about Ben Gordon...
  12. khandor
    12. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    KD,
    re: your personal style of writing
    They are all wrong; and, you are all right. :-)
    re: Gordon's situation in Chicago
    There IS no 'situation' in the Windy City ... if 'Da Bulls' just do the right thing and trade Kirk Hinrich.
    Rose, Gordon and Hughes ... at the Point ... are more than adequate for Chicago.
    Hinrich is the one asset that has to go in return for a more offensively talented Post player and/or an athletic Wing.
    Rose, Gordon and Hughes
    Sefolosha, Nocioni and Deng
    Noah, Thomas, Gooden and Gray
  13. swimmer
    13. Posted by swimmer Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    please ben go to russia you loser.your a virus that needs to be put out.get out of chicago!
  14. khandor
    14. Posted by khandor Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    #13 ... if the Bulls could possibly get Travis Outlaw from Portland in exchange for Kirk Hinrich ... Chicago would be absolutely idiotic to NOT make THAT specific deal. :-)
    The Bulls don't need a player like Travis Outlaw in your opinion.
    Are you suffering from Mad Cow's Disease, perhaps? :-)
  15. Uncle Stanley McGoober
    15. Posted by Uncle Stanley McGoober Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    "wouldn't we would not be?" ok.......
    The Bulls should bring back Gordon. If they really use an up-tempo offense this year Rose can drive the ball and kick back to Gordon all day long. Honestly I'd rather have Gordon than Hinrich and his 13 points per game.
  16. silentbob420bmfj@...
    16. Posted by silentbob420bmfj@... Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    i have no idea what you guys are talking about with the grammar thing, except for i have no idea what is being said in the first paragraph
  17. Mathias
    17. Posted by Mathias Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    KD - tell me this isn't the first time you have been compared to James Joyce, right?
    secondly - guys, this is a brilliant sentence;
    " As it stands, all of them would trump the 0.00 million dollar deal any other NBA team has offered him thus far. "
  18. pwingf
    18. Posted by pwingf Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:23 pm EDT

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    this is the worst article ever. I had to constantly read and reread the whole thing over and over to try and decipher the content. That's the problem with blogs - any idiot with a keyboard can write one...it's just beyond me how the keep getting put on the internet in such a high-profile area such as Yahoo.
  19. tyger1147
    19. Posted by tyger1147 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

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    Christ, people, don't you get the jumbled writing is supposed to be representative of the jumbled mess this is? Does the headline not tell you that? (well, that's what I got, anyway)
    For what it's worth, Rose won't be a "teenager" once the season starts; he'll be 20 in October.
    What about Gordon taking $500,000 less per year and signing a 2-year deal w/ an opt-out after one? If the Bulls suck massively at their SG tryout between Hinrich, Sefolosha and Hughes, and don't get to draft DeMar DeRozan, maybe they want to go after someone like Danny Granger or, or... whatever. (They'd have to trade Hughes, Hinrich or Nocioni for an expiring deal). Gordon's $14 million cap hold would keep them from doing anything next season.
    If the Bulls want to go aggressively after someone like Granger, then they don't tender Gordon the QO, he opts out (which he could do if they decide they do want him), and he becomes a UFA. If the Bulls decide they're happy w/ the 38 wins they'll get this year w/o him, they tender him the QO, and he stays in Russia another year. There's obviously no they don't let him out in 2010. He'd be a decent consolation (cheaper) prize for anyone who misses out on the 2010 sweepstakes.
    If Gordon's ego can handle it, he could just plan on being in Russia for two years, making "more" than what he would in his first two years on the Bulls offer, and everyone walks home a winner.
  20. Fred
    20. Posted by Fred Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    If you have an idea to communicate and you want people to understand what you are saying (both of which are in doubt in your case), the proper method is to use concise, direct, declarative sentences. Here is a simple example: "you are a moron." Just emulate that and your writing style will improve immeasurably.
  21. big Sco
    21. Posted by big Sco Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:40 pm EDT

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    fugg this, football season is about to start and the Cubbies have the best record in the Bigs. NUFF SAID!
  22. Daspoont
    22. Posted by Daspoont Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    the fact that he has led them n scoreing the last 3/4 seasons. Or he won 6th man of the year,(should have been rookie of the year) Emeka Okafor did not deserve it. He has a true point to get him the ball. Loul Deng and Capt.Kirk are not burning up the house.Keep Ben trade Hughes.
  23. Daspoont
    23. Posted by Daspoont Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    the fact that he has led them n scoreing the last 3-4 seasons. Or he won 6th man of the year,(should have been rookie of the year) Emeka Okafor did not deserve it. He has a true point to get him the ball. Loul Deng and Capt.Kirk are not burning up the house.Keep Ben trade Hughes.
  24. The Devil
    24. Posted by The Devil Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:04 pm EDT

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    Khandor, you don't understand much about basketball outside of NBA Live, do you? The Bulls have Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Drew Gooden, Thabo Sefolosha, and Andres Nocioni at the forward positions. How would Outlaw fit in? Sure, he can play a little at the 2-guard, but he's not an outside shooter or a good ball handler. Please explain to me how the Bulls could use Outlaw. I'd love to have him on the team if there was room for him. Unfortunately, they can't trade Nocioni because he's the only one who can hit a three. They're certainly not going to trade Deng. Gooden is the best rebounder on the team, so that wouldn't work. They're going to need Thabo's ball-handling if they get rid of Hinrich. That leaves Tyrus Thomas. I would definitely trade Thomas for Outlaw if I were the Bulls management, but I don't think they will. I don't think Portland would either. Oh yeah, by the way, I went on to say that if the Bulls could unload Hughes and get Webster in the deal, they should definitely trade for Outlaw. Did you even read my entire post?
  25. Crazy Joe
    25. Posted by Crazy Joe Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:31 pm EDT

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    Not sure who you're talking to on those after-tax numbers, but they are definitely wrong. BG would still have to pay US income tax on both his salary and the Russian taxes paid for him (not to mention all the perks like free housing are added to US taxable income). He would then get a credit for those taxes paid on his behalf against his US tax bill. It should still end up as more money for playing in Russia, but nowhere near double.

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