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Boston Celtics 106, Detroit Pistons 102 

The thing that kept popping into my giant, Irish head during Game 5 was the idea that, "eh, I didn't really mind that."

Not the game itself, I really didn't mind that (who could have taken issue with that one?), but even the screw-ups that Boston and Detroit kept throwing out there every so often, the turnovers and missed shots and defensive slips ... I didn't mind those.

Most of the turnovers were forced, which is significant. Both Boston and Detroit turned the ball over on exactly 18.5 percent of their possessions, and for the Pistons it was quite a bit of a departure, because Detroit tied for the NBA lead this year by coughing it up just 11.5 percent of the time. 32 combined turnovers in a game like this is a lot, regardless of the speed of the action and the tempestuousness of the flow.

But they were forced. Things could have gone smoother, adjustments could have been made, passes could have been better, but this was more a by-product of the other team's sound play rather than the other messing up.

And missed shots? Early shots? These were layups that weren't going in. Rasheed Wallace missed a 16-foot turnaround jumper on the left baseline. You're never going to complain when Rasheed is aggressive offensively. You shouldn't, at least. Those were good shots that didn't go in.

Overall, this game was just a function of two teams that are on top of their games, at a point in a series (and season, for that matter, with the sheer amount of game tape to go through) where teams tend to know every play call and every angle in which to defend against or work through. That isn't to say the Celtics weren't prepped (and pumped, probably) beyond belief for Game 5. They were. Boy howdy, were they ever.

You can really tell that the Boston coaching staff had these guys ready to play. Plays were anticipated; picks were called out and steeled for seconds before the Pistons even got around to setting the damn things. Boston had Detroit's defense and offense sussed out from the absolute beginning.

And you know what? It almost didn't matter, because Detroit is that good. On the road, they still managed to make this a one-possession game in the final minutes, in spite of Boston doing just about everything right. God, what a game.

It was a faster game that you'd usually expect from these teams (92 possessions), and the offense was just spot-on despite the many, many miscues: Boston offered 115 points per 100 possessions, Detroit 111.

That's a lot, really, for any team; but for these Eastern Conference powerhouses, these clutch-and-grab specialists, these guys that prefer to contest jumpers rather than make them, that's just a remarkable accomplishment.

Loved Kevin Garnett, just filling in spaces, hitting jumpers (33 points on 17 shots). Loved Rodney Stuckey, screwing up all over the place defensively (shooting gaps, etc) but acting as Detroit's bailout guy in the closing seconds of some possessions, while giving his team 13 points and three assists in just 23 minutes.

Loved Paul Pierce - 16 points, six assists, five rebounds, just one turnover - amazing help defense and perfect man defense. This guy's help defense was incredible in Game 3.

Ray Allen! Jumping straight up, 29 points on 15 shots!

Richard Hamilton turned the ball over six times, but I don't mind it when you score 25 points on just 15 shots, and offer six assists and four rebounds. Kendrick Perkins had his second so-so defensive game in a row, but he was dominating the glass for Boston, and finished with 18 points, 16 rebounds, two blocks, and two steals.

Kendrick may talk a lot, but big talkers are often the biggest competitors on the court, and that's the reason Kendrick Perkins may have been the MVP of Game 5 of the Conference finals, and someone like Jackie Butler is somewhere far, far away.

Boston dominated the glass overall, 42-25, but I really don't know what the Pistons could have done different in this one. Rasheed Wallace has to check KG 20 feet from the hoop (Garnett only finished with seven rebounds himself), and the Pistons have had a somewhat floor-bound power forward in Antonio McDyess playing center all season.

Sure, the Pistons list Wallace as the center, but it's McDyess who has to handle most of the center-ly duties, and he didn't have a chance against the bigger, bulkier, and younger Perkins on Wednesday night.

Not a lot to quibble with, all day, save for some ESPN foibles. As usual, Mark Breen, Mark Jackson, and Jeff Van Gundy called a pretty good game, and the crew really stepped aside to let the action speak for itself at times. But, as it often is, Jax and JVG managed to be right about an instance in the game whilst being completely wrong about why, exactly, they were right.

For instance, P.J Brown's foul on Jason Maxiell in the first half wasn't a flagrant foul, but not because "it's the playoffs, man," or because of some other batch of hard-guy twaddle. It wasn't a flagrant because it wasn't a flagrant, Brown went for a shot block and Maxiell unfortunately fell hard to the floor.

Late in the third quarter, James Posey wasn't justified in picking up a technical (in concert with Rip Hamilton) because "he had his big man's back." Rather, he was rightfully ticked off at the two cheap shots a rightfully ticked off Hamilton threw his way in transition, following a blatant Kendrick Perkins foul on Rip that the referees missed. It wasn't because Perkins was fouled on the resultant break a few seconds later.

Also, you have to love the way ESPN throws up an "ESPN" graphic in the top left-hand corner of the screen when showing Derek Fisher's foul/no-foul on Brent Barry, with the purpose of obscuring TNT's graphic in the same spot. As if anyone with half a brain would turn to ESPN during those six seconds and assume that they were watching TNT.

For those of you counting at home, it was the second "ESPN" graphic on the screen at that time (there was a smaller one the bottom-right). There you go, Bristol, I mentioned your station four times in two paragraphs.

BBC America. BET Jazz. NBA TV. Now I feel better.

It was in line with ESPN's insistence in telling us on their tickers that the Western Conference finals can be found on ESPN Radio, rather than TNT. It's typical Bristol, they do a lot of brilliant work, but they also want to be your remote. So, there's that. Some great, a lot brilliant, some good, and some that makes you want to burn television sets.

Beyond that ... what a game! Nothing groundbreaking or earthshaking. Just workmanlike performances from two teams that cannot stop working.

It sounds like a throwaway line, but I really do appreciate the effort that these two teams have come through with over the last ten days. And all I can add on top of that is that the game is being replayed on NBA TV, with logos intact, at 3:30 this afternoon, EDT.

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  1. bigdog33_8
    1. Posted by bigdog33_8 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    "boy howdy"?
  2. the REAL Headless Chicken
    2. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    So much for the Pistons in six. Hopefully RayRay stays unshot.
  3. Rickish
    3. Posted by Rickish Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    Mike Breen is the only one out of the three that doesn't make incessantly stupid comments. Usually, jackson doesn't annoy me, but Van Gundy is just a putz. Still better than listening to Reggie Miller, but only by a hair.
  4. Ziller
    4. Posted by Ziller Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:16 pm EDT

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    What the hell, you didn't call out NPR!
    This series has been abnormally good, considering the pace/strengths of the teams.
  5. the REAL Headless Chicken
    5. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    The ball is a ball is a ball and it explodes.
  6. moon man
    6. Posted by moon man Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:12 pm EDT

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    Jeff Van Gundy is the most tenacious color commentator I can remember hearing during an NBA broadcast. I like JVG, but he should step back a bit and simply analyze the game, which he knows as well as anybody we could hope to listen to (except the unmatched Hubie Brown). Why, for instance, is he always calling out Mike Breen? For example, JVG was way out of line to tell Breen, basically, "you can never criticize a player (K. Perkins) for getting a technical foul in the fourth quarter of hard-fought game five of the Eastern Conference playoffs because you never played the game." Gimme a break.
    However, contrary to your reporting, KD: JVG's explanation of why PJ Brown's foul should not have been a technical was not simply the stupidly macho "this is the playoffs." In fact, JVG's explanation was more in line with your own reasoning -- something like, "it's a foul, but not a flagrant." Doesn't that match your own thoughts?
  7. Roger Mason Jr. = Hero
    7. Posted by Roger Mason Jr. = Hero Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    KD - Doug Collins back in Chicago - thoughts?
    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/977280,collins052908.article
  8. the REAL Headless Chicken
    8. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    moon man, I didn't hear it, but this here reads as if Jax said that about PJ Brown's foul.
  9. Divijbunghole
    9. Posted by Divijbunghole Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 pm EDT

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    Doc rivers is a bad coach. You know who you need to win a championship? You need Lawrence Frank. He understands what it takes to win. He is a winner everywhere. At the game, with friends and in the bed.
  10. fishonmyplane
    10. Posted by fishonmyplane Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:00 pm EDT

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    Great 4th quarter, but overall not a great game. The Pistons basically lost interest in the 3rd and played like crap, putting themselves in a huge hole. Then they snapped out of it in the 4th and utterly dominated the Celtics, but still came up short in the end.
    This game simply reaffirmed what every NBA fan already knows: when the Pistons play up to their potential, they are clearly the best team in the NBA because they can dominate any team on both ends of the floor. Unfortunately, they can't seem to put it together consistantly enough.
    Regardless, they're not dead yet. Pistons in 7!
  11. Older_than_Moses_Shaq
    11. Posted by Older_than_Moses_Shaq Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Now that finger pointing's what I call coaching in the NBA. Great job of pointing Doc.
  12. Jason F
    12. Posted by Jason F Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Detroit nearly had me breaking my tv with some of their ridiculous turnovers and unwillingness to drive more often. They got outplayed last night and I don't think they're gonna win two straight. Hopefully Rip's elbow is ok for Friday because they're going to have to stay fully focused for 48 minutes just to force a game 7.
  13. Joe Dumars Project
    13. Posted by Joe Dumars Project Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    KD sez: "It wasn't a flagrant because it wasn't a flagrant, Brown went for a shot block and Maxiell unfortunately fell hard to the floor."
    Sorry man, but PJ's hands were in Maxiell's armpits. The ball was a foot or so higher in the air. PJ simply was *not* making a legitimate attempt to block a shot -- he was shoving an airborne player in a dangerous and unnecessary way.
    The flagrant foul rule reads: “a. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul–penalty (1) will be assessed.” http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList
    I don’t understand how actions that are all but guaranteed to result in an airborne player crashing painfully to the floor, *without any hope of blocking the shot,* are anything but “unnecessary” and deserving of a flagrant foul. Indeed, this is why Breen was correct later in arguing that Maxiell or Prince did *not* deserve a flagrant for their actions in challenging a dunk — they made contact with the ball, I believe, or at least their hands were level with the offensive player’s hands. That was a basketball play and the contact was necessary to it. Brown was not making a basketball play, and his contact was entirely unnecessary & likely to injure. Hence, a flagrant foul was the proper call.
  14. Andrew K
    14. Posted by Andrew K Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    I don't understand the love for Van Gundy's commentary. Does anyone else find that guy annoyingly whiny?
  15. Todd
    15. Posted by Todd Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:14 pm EDT

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    I love JVG's color commentary. It's great for someone to have a sense of humor. He often throws out these Seinfeld-ian questions which are basically rhetorical. And I think he's right to say that it's hard to say that a tech isn't appropriate during crunch-time of a big playoff game. I get tired of sports announcers who make these blanket condemnations because they don't know what it's like when the juices are flowing and the adrenaline is rushing. It's rushing for everyone on the court. Those sorts of fouls are going to happen. When you're calling a game and you've never played, you have no idea what the players are feeling, what the rush of the crowd is doing to them. So I fully agree with JVG on that. And Jeff also gives a very pointed perspective of a very opinionated coach. That I like. One can say one doesn't like Jeff, but you have to respect his acumen, given his success with the Knicks and Houston.
  16. KD
    16. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    JDP -- Brown can't jump over the cat that's sitting at my feet. The guy made a legitimate attempt to jump and contest the shot, or at least foul the arms, and one (ONE) of his hands sort of went into Jason's right armpit. That wasn't "unnecessary" in the slightest.
    Andrew K -- I hear ya. He reminds me of Laker fans.
  17. KD
    17. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    The trick, Todd, is for JVG to keep the questions "Seinfeldian," and not "Reiserian."
  18. Mathias
    18. Posted by Mathias Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    terrific w by the c's - doc shortened his rotation and kept the vets on the floor when he needed to. for the pistons, stuckey is really playing superb ball - think joe dumars knows that he's doing?
    meanwhile - game 5 in la tonight. does anyone else think the spurs have used up all their good fortune this season just in getting to the conf finals?
    http://turvey.com.au/?p=147
  19. Joe Dumars Project
    19. Posted by Joe Dumars Project Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    KD -- if he can't jump, how was he contesting the shot? I don't understand how a defender is contesting a shot when the defender's hand is at the offensive player's armpit. I mean, I just checked my arm length roughly using a piece of 8 /12 inch by 11 inch paper -- it's more than 2 lengths of paper. I'm sure Maxiell's is a lot longer. So we're saying that PJ had his hand in Max's armpit -- or about 3 feet below the ball. And your contention is PJ was legitimately trying to contest the shot? Very strange.
    If PJ couldn't get closer than 3 feet to blocking the shot, then he's not making a legitimate basketball play, and his contact was unnecessary, given that Maxiell was airborne and the contact involved a significant risk of injury.
  20. Joe Dumars Project
    20. Posted by Joe Dumars Project Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    His hands were two inches from the ball huh?
    Sadly, no: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=82202f80d79ff595e33edaff64b4b68d-getty-80391836mh018_detroit_pisto&prov=getty
    Better luck next time.
  21. Joe Dumars Project
    21. Posted by Joe Dumars Project Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    From the photo, it's clear that PJ was not near the ball and that his objective was clearly slamming his hands, arms, and body into Maxiell at a maximum height of Max’s armpit. In other words, at a location nowhere near the ball.
  22. Victor
    22. Posted by Victor Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    So you are saying JDP, that a man cannot foul another man, without it being flagrant, just because a dunk is involved? Where is the intent?
  23. Joe Dumars Project
    23. Posted by Joe Dumars Project Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Definitely not, Victor, sorry if I gave that impression.
    A defensive player should absolutely "contest" a dunk in a manner that might, you know, in fact plausibly result in blocking the shot or altering the shot. Or, of course, commit a similar foul to PJ's when a player is *not* already airborne. When a player *is,* however, already airborne, pushing the player at the shoulder/armpit level nowhere near the ball is not contesting the shot and is simply an "unnecessary" non-basketball act that poses a significant risk of injury.
  24. the guy
    24. Posted by the guy Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    To begin, I'm a Warriors fan, and I think the call on P.J. Brown was correct. He made absolutely no play on the ball. The contact began before the ball was even in Maxiell's hands. That's not "contesting" a shot. That's pushing someone so you don't get dunked on. Regardless of that call, which could have gone either way, I didn't really care, I was appalled when Paul Pierce's mugging of Chauncey Billups didn't receive a flagrant call. Just because he patted him on the butt afterwards didn't make the takedown across the neck and head appropriate. With all that said, let's hear it for Kevin Garnett. Everyone is talking about the officiating and Ray Allen's slumpbuster of a game, but KG played like a man possessed. Every time Boston needed a big shot, he was there. I can't remember exactly how many times he hit a jumper as the shot clock expired, but I think it was 4, 5, possibly 6. I thought Detroit's experience would carry them through this series and it still might, but if KG has a duplicate performance next game, there might not be much they can do.
  25. EddieV
    25. Posted by EddieV Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    KD - WTF Why are Lakers fans singled out as whiny? I've been reading more of these blogs, and Jazz,Spurs,Pistons et al all sound about the same. If you want whining, about Spoor fans over the Derek FIsher non-call?

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