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What a wild and wacky world we live in. According to numerous reports, Ron Artest(notes) will be a member of the Lakers come October, while Trevor Ariza(notes) is headed to Houston. Here's what they're saying out in the ether about the free-agent switcheroo ...

Sam Amico, PBN: "How well will Ron Artest fit in with the Los Angeles Lakers? 'Perfect,' former NBA coach and PBN contributor Eric Musselman told me. 'It's a perfect fit both for the player and the organization.' Musselman coached Artest for one season in Sacramento (2006-07), and has attended Lakers training camp as an invited observer. So he knows both player and organization well. '(Lakers coach) Phil Jackson loves guys who play multiple positions, and Artest is that kind of guy,' Musselman said. 'He can defend the other team's shooting guard, small forward or power forward. Offensively, Jackson loves multi-dimensional guys who can pass, shoot and dribble and do all three well.'"

Richard Justice, Houston Chronicle: "Trevor Ariza makes the Rockets younger, faster and better. He fits with the way Rick Adelman wants to play. Sometime next season, we're going to see Tracy McGrady(notes), Carl Landry(notes), Aaron Brooks(notes) and Ariza leading a fast break that will take your breath away. Finally, we're going to have an Adelman team that plays like an Adelman team. I'm so giddy about Ariza that I'm willing to forgive and forget with T-Mac. OK, so we're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's take a deep breath and go one step at a time. Ariza is a first-rate defensive player, threw in almost 50 percent of his 3-pointers in the playoffs, and is still only 24. Yes, there's still that hole at center. Give Daryl Morey a couple more days to take care of that issue."

NBA FanHouse: "... Pau Gasol(notes) might be the most endangered Laker in all of this. Kobe ain't giving up shots to Ron-Ron ... but someone will have to, unless you think Artest — who has in the past placed himself in the same league as Kobe and LeBron James(notes) — will shave half his offense to become Trevor Ariza II. I sincerely doubt our protagonist will be so generous. So the Laker attacker who requires the ball to be fed — Pau — figures to suffer. Even this past postseason, when the Lakers looked so dominant (save a tough series against Artest's Rockets), the chorus called for more Pau touches. It's the coda of the big man, the call for the ball, especially for a forward as selfless as Gasol. But teams get only so many possessions, and every touch for Pau this year (more or less) meant one less touch for Kobe, the reigning MVP. I would imagine most Lakers fans wished at some point last season Pau would get the ball more frequently, even if in the end the arrangement worked out famously."

Bill Plaschke, Los Angeles Times: "Less than three weeks after the parade, the NBA champion Lakers have already met the biggest threat to their throne. Themselves. What are they thinking? What are they doing? They just won a title that would not have been possible without the strong defense and stunning shooting of a 24-year-old kid with a limitless ceiling. Yet they send the kid packing for an aging nut whose greatest hits have occurred on the heads of fans. They just won a title with a locker room bathed in the soothing light of unselfishness, teamwork and a quiet temerity. Yet they cut the power and added the darkest of moods, a guy who has made a career out of hoarding the ball, the attention, and the anger. Tell me again, why did they get rid of Trevor Ariza for Ron Artest?"

Silver Screen and Roll: "You know the old saying, right? The one that goes 'If it ain’t broke, don’t trade for a guy who got suspended for a year because he attacked a fan in the stands.' The Lakers just did exactly the opposite. Considering Ariza just signed a contract for a similar amount of money, couldn’t the Lakers have just re-signed Ariza and had the same team that just won a championship? A team should be allowed to defend its championship, Ariza played an important role on that team, and he was a chemistry guy. Artest is a ball hog who ruins offenses, gets lots of technicals, and is on a shorter leash with the refs than Rasheed Wallace(notes)."

Empty The Bench: "If you’re Ariza, you feel disrespected. It’s hard not to take this personally when you just played a critical role in helping anybody win a NBA championship for anybody, let alone a storied franchise like the Lakers. This is the team synonymous with your city, the place where you grew up, where you played college ball. This is the team you dreamed of playing for as a pro ... and the team that, in the end, declined offering you the security of the long-term contract that you’ve damned well earned. Any other competitive team would be thrilled to have you, and you’d likely be the crucial missing piece for any one of them. You are that good. (Maybe.) And when you win that second ring with somebody else, you’ll be in store for an even bigger payday than this one. And then the Lakers will be sorry ..."

Dan Shanoff: "Is Ron-Ron a fit in the Triangle offense? Who cares? Will he freak out in the glare of L.A.? All the better! Artest is the best kind of acquisition: Talented AND interesting. Jordan kept Rodman in check and the '96 Bulls were one of the best teams ever. It is not an inappropriate analogue to think the same thing about Kobe and Ron-Ron, who are friends. Imagine that: Artest with a ring — and the last laugh."

The Baseline: "Shall we hand the Lakers the trophy now? OK, it is premature. The issue of Lamar Odom(notes) still needs to be addressed, and that could be a lengthy process. But, in signing Artest, the Lakers have responded strongly to new acquisitions made by the likes of San Antonio (Richard Jefferson(notes)), Cleveland (Shaquille O’Neal(notes)) and Orlando (Vince Carter(notes)), and have girded themselves against anything that teams like Denver, Boston, Portland or Detroit might do. The signing of Artest means that the Lakers have reasserted themselves as championship favorites. The 2009 championship trophy probably put an end to all those questions the Lakers had to answer about toughness over the course of last year’s season and playoffs. With Artest in the fold, we can (hopefully) give those questions a final and hearty farewell. Artest gives the Lakers the kind of unquestioned bruiser they’ve lacked in the post-Shaq era. He is a dogged defender, and though a loose cannon, he is the kind of player who intimidates opponents even before a game begins. It’s been a while since the Lakers had a presence like that who wasn’t named Kobe."

Barkley's Mouth: "For all the craziness and unpredictability that Artest’s reputation holds, you can’t deny him this — he wants to win. Artest quickly came to an agreement with the Lakers, not even considering the promise of other offers shelling out more money and, don’t get it twisted, those more lucrative offers were going to be there. Artest is a bulldog on defense and a legit threat on offense. Any team would want that on their team, but Artest didn’t want to be on any team. Artest wanted a team that could win a title now and because of that, he’s a winner despite making less money than Ariza who has to be considered the loser here ..."

The Dream Shake: "... I'm not so sure that letting Artest go was a bad thing. If Yao Ming(notes) were to miss much of next season (which is a distinct possibility), it would be the Ron-Ron Show, starring Ball-Hoginess, Bad Shot Selection, and Angry Postgame Tweets. I wouldn't be a fan. Why put up with Artest for another year when the chances of winning a championship would be slim to none? Why pay him when we can save the money for later? That's how devastating Yao's injury is. It not only cost us our best remaining wing player; it made the loss of Ron Artest somewhat necessary."

OhMeOhMy, Jello'sJigglin': "In regards to Trevor Ariza, Laker fans can only lament his sad fate and thank him for his hustle, hard work, and overall admirable services in helping the team gets it 15th Championship. However, as is so often the case in these sort of dealings, the business side of things had to come in and ruin the fun. Enter Agent David Lee(notes), who after hard-balling Buss and Kupchak for the past 24 hours and attempting to squeeze as much payday from them as he could, now finds himself having to tell his client (who grew up in LA, loves LA, and supposedly 'bleeds purple and gold') that he will have to settle for the midlevel offer and continue playing with a Chinese teammate ... except this new offer was not from the Lakers, and not with the Rising Sun Yue(notes), but from the Houston Rockets and the Fallen Tower Yao Ming."

Kevin Pelton, Unfiltered: "Last year, Ariza used 16.7 percent of the Lakers’ possessions while on the floor. Artest used 24.7 percent of Houston’s possessions, and has been over 23 percent every year since 2002-03. If Artest plays to his tendencies, it’s hard to see where those possessions would come from, especially when he is on the floor alongside the high-possession Bryant. I’m of the belief that possession usage is in many ways as much a skill as anything else, not something that can be largely dictated by coaches. Using a ton of possessions is in Artest’s DNA just as much as physical defense or crazy quotes."

Forum Blue & Gold: "Does anyone else have the feeling part of the Lakers looking at Artest was not wanting to deal with the public negotiations of Ariza agent David Lee? They put up with him in the Bynum case because there were no other options — young guys with Bynum’s potential are rare. But quality swingmen who want to be on a contender are more common. Lee tried to get the most for his client, but he negotiates in a very public way and the Lakers are a very private team (in terms of front office dealings)."

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  1. Lakergirl
    1. Posted by Lakergirl Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:19 am EDT

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    hey douchebags..........The Lakers didnt turn their back on Ariza, he turned his back on us!! i can feel the hate from some of these writers, i would too..........i believe the Lakers just got stronger hahahahaha
  2. a_pane_in_the_glass
    2. Posted by a_pane_in_the_glass Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:36 am EDT

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    "Pow" Gasol, meet BAM Artest. Wonder if they'll let Gasol sell lemonade on the court, since he's gonna have a LOT more spare time.... ?
  3. Professor Tracey
    3. Posted by Professor Tracey Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:37 am EDT

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    Can someone take down the names of all these folks whining about Ron Artest, so when they jump on the band wagon later, they can be denied access to the next L.A. Laker gravy train? If Bill Plaschke of the L.A. Times is bashing Artest, I'm supporting him. Plaschke was wrong about everything last season and was the first person waving the Laker banner when they won. He's too wishy-washy for my tastes.
    I love Ariza too, but he is not worth 34 million. Sorry. And I really don't understand letting your agent sign you to the same deal with Houston offered by the Lakers in the first damn place because you wanted to feel "respected". How dumb is that. The NBA is a business. You want to be signed and winning, first. You'll get the respect if you deserve it.
  4. qn
    4. Posted by qn Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:38 am EDT

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    Lakers had to make a change. Is this a gamble? Yes, of course. There is no guarantee in Ron ever. That's why you pay Phil big money. He's known for this and I think this will only brings Phil reasons to come back.
  5. Lajames W
    5. Posted by Lajames W Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:39 am EDT

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    I feel that the Artest signing is just unfair to the rest of the league. The Lakers are the defending champs and they go out and get the most valuable free agent on the market. First Pau and now Ron this is just insane. The Lakers are picking up pieces of a dynasty for next to nothing (in NBA monetary terms). This is rediculous for fans of any other team than LA. If I had to bet on the next three championships right now I'd put all of my loot on Kobe and company. They just got a hungry assassin that will only be satiated with multiple rings. Damn it. Portland NBA Champs 2013!?
  6. Kwok L
    6. Posted by Kwok L Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:39 am EDT

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    Still don't see how Lakers are still championship favorite. Artest can't replace both Odom and Ariza.
  7. AP66
    7. Posted by AP66 Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:46 am EDT

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    Looks like the last article had it right, Ariza's agent was trying to squeeze as much out of the Lakers money wise for his client, and a better earning for himself. Never mind the golden opportunity to win back to back titles, and possibly getting an endorsement or two out of it. In the end, Ariza gets signed to an inferior team for a little extra dough. I as a Laker fan will miss Ariza's talent.
  8. cc
    8. Posted by cc Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:47 am EDT

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    kobe you sucks, you should protect your teamate Ariza who support you and bring you to the top; Ariza. How can you let him go, YOU SUCKS, keep him and you will get bless or no more ring and you can never beat MJ. You should be the #1 better than MJ.
  9. Virginia S
    9. Posted by Virginia S Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:48 am EDT

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    Don't care what anyone says.......Artest is the sorriest piece of humanity in the NBA. Lakers always were a grand team...had the best players and Ariza was one of them. Without him, I don't think Lakers would have won the Championship..Kobe or not. I'm disgusted with having to witness Artest in a Lakers uniform. Hope the L.A. fans will all carry pepper spray in case Artest decides to rise up in a temper and jump into the stands and attack them. Also, didn't he recently state that Kobe was not the best player in NBA...that LeBron was so much better. Than why in the hell didn't he take his sorry ass up to Cleveland. Ariza, I wish you happiness and luck. Also, I hope you wipe the Lakers up with a mop when they play your new team. And, I'm a life-long Laker fan. What a mess.
  10. SQUARE
    10. Posted by SQUARE Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:51 am EDT

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    Blame Ariza's Agent David Lee, he tried to play Hardball and he FAILED now Ariza has to settle for the Rockets and the same money he was offered with Lakers, What did Agent David Lee think that the Lakers were going sit around with there fingers in there ARSE
  11. SQUARE
    11. Posted by SQUARE Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:56 am EDT

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    Agent David Lee's Quote " LAKERS WILL NOT GET A HOME TOWN DISCOUNT " for Ariza no but Houston did get the discount , David Lee's tactics backed fired, Ariza should fire him
  12. Baldfixx
    12. Posted by Baldfixx Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:58 am EDT

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    Yehhaaaa break the bostons 17th title and go for 20 for a record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LAKERS RuLZzzz all ya hatas
  13. gio s
    13. Posted by gio s Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:01 am EDT

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    Lee is an idiot. plain and simple. oh well. moving on. Lakers 09-10 champs. Lebron can go fishing with Shaq.
  14. QuAzY
    14. Posted by QuAzY Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:02 am EDT

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    Its that freaking agent David Lee's fault .... I don't get it ... it was the same amount of money which Ariza just took from the Rockets this agent of his knows that LAKERS gots the money and tried to milk it some more ... well sucks to be you ... but the sad thing about this is that Ariza is out of the Lakers .... Daym does money driven freaking agents.
    Goodluck Ariza in your endevours ... but I will welcome Artest whole heartedly!!!! 2010 Champions = Lakers
    1st Game of the season Lakers VS Rockets
    Dec 25 Cavs VS Lakers
    Fosho!!!
  15. golfnut
    15. Posted by golfnut Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:10 am EDT

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    Ariza is good, Artest is better. Think about this. Do you think the Rockets would've pushed the Lakers to 7 games last playoff with Ariza instead of Artest? Don't think so. Artest is far better scorer than Ariza. He can create shots for himself where Ariza can't. Only question is whether Artest can work with the Lakers, but I would think he can especially w/Phil Jackson coaching.
  16. DEREN J
    16. Posted by DEREN J Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:20 am EDT

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    Ariza's agent played the wrong angle. He never should have made the public comments.That really put Dr, Buss off. I wish him well with his new team, but I really think he would have preferred to stay in LA. I hope LO is cool with a 3 year $27 Million offer. I heard he was asking for $10 million per year. LO is the 2nd unit, re-signing him is a must.
  17. jeezee10
    17. Posted by jeezee10 Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:22 am EDT

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    Can't really blame David Lee for wanting more money for him and his client Trevor after what Trevor did to help the Hollywood Lakers win the championship. Well, Trevor now has the ring, so the next thing to do is to get those milions available out there. Nothing bad about providing for yourself and your family, no?
    The Lakers got a good player in Artest. Pau will benefit from having a good rebounder contrary to what others wrote.
    The Lakers will be a more explosive team, IF THEY DO NOT IMPLODE! The Zen Master can handle things. Why not? He was able to rein in another head case before in Rodman!
  18. Michael K
    18. Posted by Michael K Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    Just let it play out ladies and gents. Time will tell. Follow Phil and take a chill pill. Go watch a Dodger game or something. One thing this will bring is "toughness" a commodity not so abundant with our Purple and Gold of late.
    Trust me, Kobe hated to see Trevor leave but, he loves the juices that flows through Artest's veins. He's thinking, "finally, a kindred spirit"! Two "assasins" on the same team!!!! The league is holding their collective breaths. Is there risk, absolutely but, with great risk comes great reward. Hopefully.
  19. CrazyLegs
    19. Posted by CrazyLegs Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    Poor Ariza. Totally duped by his own agent! What's up with the sleazy tactics of agents? Of course he ( his agent ) uses the "respect" card. The only thing Lee had on his mind was green. I'll say it again, poor Ariza! That dude was LA inside and out, and before he could say what-the-heck-did-my-sleaze-ball-agent-just-convince-me-of, he's manipulated into making down-grade career move. The crazy thing is, he could have negotiated after the three years for an even bigger payday than what Houston offered him. I mean the Lakers were giving him $6 mil a year for the first three -- his five year with Houston averages to $6.7 for five. That marginal $ .7 mil per year could easily be made up with a more lucrative contract once the Lakers start to pile up the rings. Sad, sad, sad. Shame on you, David Lee.
  20. aznid4
    20. Posted by aznid4 Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    I can't believe ariza turned his back on the Lakers. He signed a similar deal with the rockets. Artest will fit in just fine in La. He moves from the 2nd option to the 3rd or maybe 4th option. His fg % should increase due to that. Laker's should be the favorite to win it all in 09-10
  21. BAM
    21. Posted by BAM Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:31 am EDT

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    this is david lee's fault......ariza can take lesser money but i think lee told him that it's all about the money....if you really want to win it's not about the money..it's your will to play the game and to sacrifice.......don't know bout artest but he can help l.a to win but ofcourse they should get back lamar...........still lakers 2010 champs
  22. Remas83
    22. Posted by Remas83 Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:32 am EDT

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    Regardless, this will be a spectacular outcome, the only question remains good or bad.
  23. CrazyLegs
    23. Posted by CrazyLegs Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:34 am EDT

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    ...oh, BTW, welcome Artest! You can be our Rodman!
  24. erick p
    24. Posted by erick p Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:35 am EDT

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    Damn these stoooooopid agents!!
    good luck , trevor,come back in a year?
    welcome, ron-ron and behave yourself while your here....
  25. Mighty Mouse
    25. Posted by Mighty Mouse Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:44 am EDT

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    Ariza was just below the league average in Scoring and Rebounding and just above the average in Assists. Artest was just above the average in scoring, assists, steals and 3 pt made.
    Anybody that says that this was not a good trade off is thinking with their heart and not the facts. Ariza has potential and he does seem to make plays when it counts, but Artest is a proven scorer and defensive threat.
    If Phil comes back, he should be able to fit him into the starting line up.
    Also, I think the Lakers could do something with their bench. It was the only real problem they had last year. Maybe with Morrison coming back from injury and Sun getting a year in the d-league, they will find somebody to play in Walton's place. Sasha needs to step up and earn his contract, because even with the Lakers winning the Championship, he was not a good player for most of the year and all of the playoffs.

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