hehehehe Jay Day Planner. Knew he had it in him but wasn't really looking at the points difference till you pointed it out. lol

I bet Carl is kicking himself in the ars about that point reduction. He could have had it. OH WELL. Maybe next year

What ifs are really useless........... Everybody is playing with the same set of rules....... it's all fair no matter what anyone says.........and no truer words ever spoken: "Complaining about the Chase is beyond pointless"......... let the whining now begin..........and who will be first??

jimmie would have raced homestead differently they were using this points system. he had a top 5 car but choose to run a clean, uneventful race. in my opinion, jimmie still would have been the champ if using the old points system.

Busbee spits hot fire. Ha, good job Curl.
watch out Busbee, Curl is prone to fits of rage.

Besides, - had we been on the old points and it would have been this close during the race..........Jimmie would have definitely been driving a different race and probably NOT ended up 15th.........

Hadn't seen your post Joey.........but totally agree..........Jimmie just coasted because he knew he could.

Rich and Joey - you hit the nail on the head with these scenarios - the problem is people would have raced the ENTIRE season differently if there was no chase - Chad Knaus all but said that all they need to do is get in the chase, and then the whole ballgame changes - if that weren't the case, I think several drivers would have raced several races differently

Very good point Tammy...........they would have.

It's good to see that there are plenty of people who see right through the excuses others (ahem, Busbee) make out of figments of their own imagination for how what ACTUALLY DID happen really wasn't the correct result. A half dead monkey could see that the BEST DRIVER IN THE SPORT - and, uh, that's JJ for those of you sticking your heads in the sand on that question - would have almost assuredly finished higher, and likely much higher, in several races had the Chase format not existed. I will concede, however, that the points would have very possibly been closer than they were.

After due reflection, I've come to the conclusion that the Chase is useless. The argument about the Patriots is flawed, and here's why: over the course of a team sport season, teams do not go against the entire league rotisserie-style. Instead, they play head-to-head matchups based upon division, league, and inter-league "membership" (for lack of a better word). The longer the season, the more the difficulty of schedule issue is mitigated (well, except in the AL East). Ever get frustrated in a H2H fantasy league where you have the most points but the worst record? The flip-side is that in "rotisserie" style, you can fall out of the running pretty early.
So NASCAR has a 26-week season, and then a 10-week season, based on seedings from the 26 weeks. To me, this is the WORST of all possible systems. No H2H, and two partial rotisserie periods. In NASCAR, like in rotisserie, you're racing against the entire field. Then, you get reset, and put into a smaller rotisserie pool. The only way a playoff system works is if you have H2H games all year. A rotisserie playoff system just does not work. That's why the team leagues can have playoffs because those are H2H single-game or series matchups. They don't suddenly switch to rotisserie style in the playoffs. And they also don't let non-playoff teams join in any playoff reindeer games. That's just stupid.

By the way, I completely agree that each racer would race differently under the old format, in order to protect or advance whatever position they are in. What-if's about alternate system don't matter. That doesn't make the current system the right system. So they don't reset, and d00d, JJ, et al race differently. Good. That's the way it should be in a rotisserie set-up like NASCAR. You still end up with a better result, because the season isn't skewed by a super-short rotisserie points system.

Here's another view-point. Golf is very similar to NASCAR in that individual golfer's race to get to the end of 72 holes in the shortest amount of time (strokes) possible. Would you argue that when 3/4 of the season is over, the top ten reset and race for the final ten tournaments to determine the season winner? No. Golf doesn't have a season winner, they have a season of achievements, such as majors won, dollars won, etc. And there you go. Want to determine a NASCAR winner? HOW MUCH MONEY DID HE EARN at the end of a season!

Hell Sarge............all that and you could have just said..........Yep - agree........lol.

that's part of the point the cheating penalties are meaningless pre-chase, that 150 points didnt cost edwards but the additional 10 points for winning the race they took away. So teams can cheat early in the season and not have it really matter

Sarge, Golf has the FedEx cup.

Does anyone know what station is carring the NASCar banquet ?? I know it is on Dec. 5 but don't know what time or what channel its on. Can anybody HELP??
Thank-you
Bill from Maine

Rich: Yeah, but why take the easy way out? Joey: the FedEx cup is a gimmick, and not exactly must-see TV. I'd hardly call it a playoff.

# 14 makes no sense. Why compare golf to NASCAR? And as you prove in your post, they don't compare.........

ESPN usually has the banquet.................but haven't looked yet to know for sure.

"it's like saying the Patriots should have been given the Super Bowl last year just because they won more than anybody else over the course of the whole season"
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Funny you would bring up the Patsies since their owner runs the NFL and has been the benefactor of so many bad calls I've lost track from the misinterpretation of the tuck rule against the Raiders to the Patsies DB's breaking the 5-yard chuck rule to offensive line holding. What you may say.
The tuck rule says nothing about the passer pulling the ball back and fumbling when hit. That's a fact. Play called correctly they never played for their first SB title.
The next year team owners were complaining about the Patriots breaking the 5-yard chuck rule and pass interference. Paul Taglibue even made a snide remark when questioned about it especailly after the Patsies chucked, held, interfered, raped, had butt sex and gutted the Colts wide receivers in the AFC champ' game. Make the calls and no Super Bowl. Next year the league announces they will start calling the 5-yard chuck rule. Excuse me?
I have said the Patsies line gets away with holding for years especially last year. TYou can't stop them. Anyone who has an arm and can walk could be their QB when you have 6-7 seconds to pass. Their aint nothing to Brady. I know there were enough complaints made to the league. This year the league said they would put more emphasis on holding. Excuse me? Then you are telling me you were inconsistent when you called holding. The team that had the most holding calls should sue the NFL. They still aint enforcing it. Brady goes down and this unknown QB now is breaking every third down coversion record in the book. Proves I was right.
Bob Kraft runs the NFL. Another rich [profane] the league bends over backwards to appease his sponosrs and fans.

PC is there any sport that is not corrupt?

"was hot at the right time, and that's what matters."
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Really? Didn't Edwards win more races? Take away Talledega and he was hotter than Johnson now weren't he? Let's face it, ASSCAR makes damned sure Chevy is up front at the restrictor plate races and they want the rest bunched up. All they would have to do is make the engines at a 9.5:1 compression ratio and take away the restrictor plate and they would spread out the field. But they don't want that. Me thinks the Ford engine would make more power at 9.5:1.

"PC is there any sport that is not corrupt?"
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Pro: Pro wrestling.
College: College football. Look at what happens at a high level of play. No. 1 was knocked off last year a record no. of times. Nobody is going to convince me the 48 is that much better. They're cheating.