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Jimmie Johnson is the two-time reigning Sprint Cup Champion, and with Kyle Busch pretty much out of the picture, he's the odds-on favorite to win a third title this year. Three Cups in three consecutive years is pretty much unquestionably dominant; only Cale Yarborough has done it before, from 1976 to 1978.

Johnson is already one of the top drivers in the sport. Here's the question, though: should he win his third straight title, does his feat ascend beyond NASCAR? Are we on the cusp of witnessing sports history here? How does Johnson's run match up with those of other recent dynasties?

Let's consider some of them. The New York Yankees won four World Series in five years -- although none since 2000 -- and had movie-star leading men in Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens, abetted by a horde of anonymous players.

The Chicago Bulls won six titles in eight seasons, and they were led by the most iconic athlete in human history. (Yes, I'm talking about Jud Buechler.) Between Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and later Dennis Rodman, these guys were the almost-unquestioned sports rock stars of the 1990s.

The only other contender for team of the '90s was the Dallas Cowboys, another larger-than-life franchise that won three Super Bowls in four years. Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and the rest were gods, and lived like it, as documented in the exceptional new book Boys Will Be Boys. (Don't read the Charles Haley chapter to the kids, folks.)

See something in common there? All three of those teams will live forever because they individually captured the public imagination; the personalities were equal to the talent. Consider the 21st-century dynasties: the San Antonio Spurs are the most bloodless, soulless team of champions ever assembled, and the fact that they've won four titles in nine years doesn't make them a bit more interesting. The New England Patriots are another relentlessly dull team, making off-field news for underhanded cheating rather than stacking up ladies-of-the-evening like cordwood. And the Boston Red Sox so desperately attempt to be quirky and edgy that it leaves everybody south of Connecticut feeling queasy.

From that standpoint, Johnson fits perfectly into the 21st-century dynasty mold. He's a sponsor's dream -- handsome, well-spoken, well-behaved -- but the qualities that sell home improvement products aren't the qualities that get NASCAR fans out of their seats. But should that detract from what he's done? Is talent enough to declare a driver a legend, or does there need to be something more?

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  1. countryatheart
    1. Posted by countryatheart Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    considering how many times Chad Knaus has been caught cheating, this team should be grouped with the "cheating " Patriots, or the "doping "of Clements
  2. Hawkeye
    2. Posted by Hawkeye Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Fantasy page says this: "Deadline to change your roster is Sep 28 1:10pm CDT " which is waaaay too late.......i.e. wrong. And it's not letting me select different drivers right now. Shouldn't I still be able to change today before qualifying?? Halp!
  3. miss priss
    3. Posted by miss priss Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:06 pm EDT

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    rr you should be locked into the picks you have. all you can do is change who you are playing and who you have in reserve. that you can change up until the race begins. even yahoo makes mistakes. lol
  4. Reds24
    4. Posted by Reds24 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Richie - you have to make your picks at 2am PDT friday morning. I always start mine wed so I have them done by thurs. Don't know whats up with Yahoo
  5. Hawkeye
    5. Posted by Hawkeye Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Ok, oh well...........not like I really give a crap about it anyway, only signed up to see why the password wasn't working that one day.
  6. miss priss
    6. Posted by miss priss Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:06 pm EDT

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    it's actually telling you that you have till race time to make your choice in who you are playing. went in and checked what was going on.
  7. kinggeorge
    7. Posted by kinggeorge Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    That statement is correct by Yahoo. you have until 1:10pm cdt. to change your starting drivers which is before the green flag drops. It's 2am pacific on Thursday to choose a team.
  8. Hawkeye
    8. Posted by Hawkeye Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Got it - thanks all for the info............wanted to get Bowyer in, didn't, so now I hope he crashes.
  9. Edward M
    9. Posted by Edward M Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    Shoot ropes.
  10. kinggeorge
    10. Posted by kinggeorge Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    Sorry guys, you snuck in there before me.
    IF Johnson wins his third title it will be a huge accomplishment for a team in this era of competition. Will the rest of the sporting world care, doubt it. It may make a blip on the major sports channels but they don't consider racing a sport in the first place.
    Jimmie's championships are always going to be viewed with skepticism because of the multiple violations by Chad and the team. Is Chad Knouse a genius trying to expand the sport and the development of the race car or a low down rotten cheatin' bas*erd? That kinda determines if Jimmie's feats are exceptional or a travesty. I tend to favor the former on that question.
  11. Hawkeye
    11. Posted by Hawkeye Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Oh yeah, back to the thread...... Um, yep, nobody will care.......except for maybe JJ, his wife and Rick. Oh, and Lowe's .......a little bit. Ho hum, boring............ New thread please!!!
  12. 48 rules
    12. Posted by 48 rules Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:56 pm EDT

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    go jimmie go!!
  13. oldcorps116
    13. Posted by oldcorps116 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:44 pm EDT

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    johnson is jeff gordon lite. that is why he generates no excitement.
  14. Brent V
    14. Posted by Brent V Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:46 pm EDT

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    This just in....ALL teams in NASCAR "bend" or "break" the rules. It's not just the 48 team that's doing it. If you want a small sample, just look at what has happened in the past 2 seasons....I'm not saying it's right. All I'm saying is that don't burn one guy/team at the stake and overlook the other teams that are just as guilty.
    I personally would love to see the 48 win another one. Actually...anyone but that alien K. Busch. Which thankfully, appears to not be an issue...
  15. Paul A
    15. Posted by Paul A Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    Re: #48's violations - Of course, NASCAR's rules were never bent or broken back in Cale's era, right?
    To beat a dead horse, what WILL taint the accomplishment versus Cale's is the Chase format, although the longer the mass media conflates the two as equal, the more the equivalence of the two will eventually become the accepted reality.
  16. Nixiechick
    16. Posted by Nixiechick Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    Honestly, I think Jeff is the reason why no one's all that excited about Jimmie's wins. Jeff already set the precedence at Hendrick's and when Jimmie won it was just a matter of time. Same with the second win. If he wins a third, I can already see people saying "well of course he did, did you see how good he was last year?". It still won't be surprising or unexpected.
  17. GoneHiking
    17. Posted by GoneHiking Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    I would like to see Johnny Jimson win another title. However, I am not sure Hendrick should get four or five titles in a row and I am really hoping Mark Martin wins the title next year. (Since I am throwing out wishes here - I wanted Jeff Burton to win this years title.......)
    I want to see several owners winning titles, not just one, two, or possibly three *super* teams. Go Mikey!
  18. oldcorps116
    18. Posted by oldcorps116 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:44 pm EDT

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    chad and the cheating thing ain't nothing new. cup series teams have been cheating back to when the wheel was invented. it is a part of the sport that has been and will always be there. the best cheaters are the ones that win on a regular basis. so, i do not hold any contempt for those that cheat, if you get caught you pay the price. "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't winnin"- richard petty.
  19. GoneHiking
    19. Posted by GoneHiking Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Sorry, I forgot the purpose of the article. "Do we care?" You need salt and pepper to make things interesting. We've had a period of a "good" champion. Unfortunately, I do not see any "colorful" drivers in a position to "ascend" to the ranks of the larger-than-life rockstars.
    My answer, yes we care. It is becoming more and more difficult to have streaks due to the increased talent, where on any given day one of 10 drivers could win. Johnson's streak just won't be one that we really passionate about.
  20. JJfan
    20. Posted by JJfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:51 pm EDT

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    I am hoping Jimmie gets the 3-peat. I know I will be "excited" as well as all his other fans.
    Go Jimmie!
  21. Gar
    21. Posted by Gar Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 pm EDT

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    Who cares, It would serve the sport well if Biffle or Bowyer were to win. Besides Johnson is just a pretty boy!
  22. oldcorps116
    22. Posted by oldcorps116 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:44 pm EDT

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    #20 jjfan- all 3 of you.
  23. Hawkeye
    23. Posted by Hawkeye Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    lol....oldcorps116, ya beat me to it.........and I was going to give him credit for 7 fans........
    It's funny at the races, the only merchandise trailers that EVER have people lined up in front of them are: Jr., Jr Nation, and Tony Stewart. Yeah, the others get some traffic, but NEVER a 10-deep line, 10-wide........like Jr's (and he usually has at least 3 of those trucks there and they're ALL jammed). Jeffy's used to but not anymore. Oh, the # 3 trailer still as lines too.
  24. owlprowler77
    24. Posted by owlprowler77 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:47 pm EDT

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    Prove to me that he's been cheating with these recent wins (or any wins for that matter)? Besides, I'm sure there are a few crew chiefs & drivers alike that haev been busted for cheating. I'm mean, look at Carl Edwards. He got caught with numerous NASCAR violations after his win in Las Vegas earlier this year, and yet all he got was a slap on the wrist? That's screwed up; Dale should've won that race. Besides, everyone is applauding Carl when he wins a race and give shockingly thunderous comments...yet when Jimmie wins a race, he get applause to his face BUT criticism & scathing comments behind his back? Tell me, how backwards does that sound to you?
  25. Legg Man
    25. Posted by Legg Man Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:33 pm EDT

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    Well, personally, Jeff Gordon is my hero, but another Hendrick man is o/k.
    Now I'm not trying to brag, but as I type this I'm looking at a massive collection of #24 diecasts and am wearing a 24/Hendrick Motorsports hat.
    Impressive, isn't it?
    namthgiw

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