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Did y'all hear there was a race at Talladega this weekend? Some greenhorn – Kelly Kapowski or something like that – won, and got-dayumn, it was insane.

As a race I won't soon forget, I'd even go so far as to call it legendary. I defend my characterization thusly: you know a race was crazy when it gets equal billing to a pandemic influenza outbreak. Improbably, the outcry over both happens to be safety, one justifiably, the other preposterously.

I'm not even remotely qualified to comment on science, plus I dig on swine (well, bacon), so I'm going to leave this solemn influenza topic alone. But I have to add my nickel to the 'Dega conversation. I feel obligated to defend it, particularly in the face of flippant commentary, crafted only to incite controversy.

Of particular note (and I hate to even point a finger in his direction and, in any infinitesimal manner, increase his market value) is Jay Marrioti's (another Jay!) drivel over at Fanhouse, which was equal parts traveling salesman and Hollywood-hypeman stereotype. Of course, he was not alone, as some of my favorite NASCAR journalists and voices joined in the chorus.

To sum up their collective point: Talladega will kill somebody someday and NASCAR is the devil reincarnate because of that.

Or paraphrased, NASCAR is wrong for something that hasn't happened.

Yes, it would be bad, very bad, if someone died at a NASCAR race. I understand this and empathize with the notion. Sadly, deaths have occurred at auto races and motor sport events to drivers, staff, crew and fans alike. There is precedent, and there was precedent before Carl played catch with the Talladega fence. Automobiles, in fact, are wildly deadly, the cause of some 50,000 deaths annually in the U.S. (placing it just behind seasonal influenza).

To sum up my point, and this should be rather obvious to anyone who has actually watched Talladega: Driving a 3,400 pound, 750 horsepower NASCAR stock car around a 2.66 mile tri-oval track at 197 mph without ever touching the brakes, inches from 42 other cars who happen to have no brake lights, turn signals, or patience, all with glory, fame, possibly a supermodel, and fortune on the line is deadly. It can kill you - you the driver, you the pit crew bloke chasing the tire into the infield and you the fan standing behind the wire catch fence (if the 23 beers you've consumed starting at 8:30 that day doesn't first).

Inherently, I know this. And I think most, if not all, NASCAR fans do, too. I do not delude myself. I do not think that such a thing is rational. I do not think that such a thing is safe. I have stood in the stands at Talladega, sweating buckets in that got-awful humidity, legally deaf and carbon monoxide buzzed, and there wasn't a single lap where I didn't question the lunacy of it all. These aren't radio flyers chasing gravity. They are combustion rockets, designed to laugh at the limits of physics. This is blatantly obvious to all of your senses when in attendance.

I damn near killed myself in high school racing a 1973 Volkswagen Thing to swim practice, and it can't sniff 60 downhill with a tailwind. Outcome: one front end and three moving violations, even though I was "stopped" at the time. Strap me into a CoT and I'm pretty sure I might just kill myself.

Partly, ah hell, mostly, this is my attraction to the sport. It's dangerous; I watch NASCAR because it isn't trading baskets, smacking ground-rule doubles or running out the clock, and I'm pretty sure that NASCAR knows this about me. (And this doesn't stop them from taking safety precautions with me in mind, such as those that actually saved lives on Sunday.) I like NASCAR because there is an inherent insanity and risk to it, even as a fan. Not to mention that it is cool as all hell.

Look, risk has a life-long love affair with reward, and that isn't NASCAR's doing. It's part of its allure. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it, and better yet, don't comment on it.

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  1. SportsFan
    1. Posted by SportsFan Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:33 pm EDT

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    don't you mean to 'incite' controversy? If I am wrong I apologize, if I am right, shame on you James.
  2. cwr43
    2. Posted by cwr43 Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:33 pm EDT

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    I do NOT think Nascar's fan sitting in the lower sections believe they have a good chance at getting killed. The driver? Yes. The crew? Yes. The average fan? Don't be daft James.
    Nascar isn't devil incarnate. What they've done in the past is not relevent. Frankly I don't care if the drivers were idiots to not recognize what full face helmets and HANS devices offered them. Served them right if they died- they made a choice, as you point out. Just as if you strap into a COT- go nuts buddy. I think you (intentionally) miss the point that drivers/pit crew unmistakingly have a different risk tollerance that the fans.
    What is now relevent-- is that now that NASCAR realizes that they were a foot or two (or maybe a degree or two, or 100 pounds or so) away from either a) clearing the catch fence and killing 50+ people or b) punching completely through the catch fence (because of an increase angle of attack or weight of the car) and 'only' killing a handful of fans. There is no c). To not do something to protect the fans now that they have irrefutable evidence that a disaster is impending would be negligent. Criminally negligent if someone at the next Talladega race was to get killed by a flying car. They have to do something to make an honest attempt to lower the risk to those sitting in the lower grandstand. Additional reinforcement and a finer mesh to the catch fence may be all that's warranted. I don't know. But you're not thinking right if you say nothing needs to change.
  3. MarkN
    3. Posted by MarkN Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:41 pm EDT

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    A Nascar fan has a better chance of dieing on the way home.
  4. Duane B Thomas
    4. Posted by Duane B Thomas Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:49 pm EDT

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    Advice: take a Claritin before your next flight for that "between the eyes" pain.
  5. Willy Doer
    5. Posted by Willy Doer Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:49 pm EDT

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    I went, good race, got a little heated. Considering i have seen people killed at almost every ractrack i have been to it tells me this: It will happen at some time or another...Do what you can without affecting the outcome of the sport, if you r gut tells you its dangerous, and you are scared..dont go, if it tells you its dangerous...and you still go..you bought the ticket. You strap yourself in. No one to blame but yourself. NASCAR can give you all of the evil dangerous speeding stockcars crashing into fences that it wants to, just use common sense. IT IS YOUR CHOICE.
    P.S. Markn..You are so right. 100,000 drunks leaving @ the same time!
  6. brinirmess
    6. Posted by brinirmess Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:51 pm EDT

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    Criminally negligent..come on. Did not read anywhere in that fantastically truthful article that Nascar had NO plans to increase safety. Everything Nascar has stated since this incident has said that they plan to look at others safety measures to protect all.Everyone who walks through the gates at ANY sporting event knows there is a inherent risk involved. They CHOOSe to do so. Trampled to death at soccer game, run over by a bull at the bull thing, hit by a bat at base ball stadium, flying tire into your camper, or mud pellets in the eye at the local dirt track. You worried about a car flying in the fence then stay home and for God's sake, don't bring your children if you do go.
  7. sportsnut888
    7. Posted by sportsnut888 Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:51 pm EDT

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    It's an intriguing dilemma, because the fans love restrictor plate racing, but you also want to try your best to keep them safe. The safer barriers are an excellent idea, and I wonder if NASCAR can do anything with the COT to make sure it stays on the ground. Going airborne is the dangerous thing for all involved (especially the driver), so maybe finding a way to ensure that the car stays on the ground is the key.
    I'm not an engineer, but possibly making the car heavier (base weight) on the chassis and frame is the answer?
  8. hugsx5
    8. Posted by hugsx5 Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:00 pm EDT

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    Damn.. James G.. I might start liking you yet.. (or should I say got -dayumn?) CLASSIC!
  9. MarkN
    9. Posted by MarkN Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:01 pm EDT

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    #7 that is total impossible Carl's car was coming down then Ryan hit him and sent him fling
  10. Carol
    10. Posted by Carol Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:11 pm EDT

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    Spotsnut if that were the answer they would have done it already. But suppose you did. Now you need a different type of tire, beefier suspension, higher horse-power engine... I think the COT is already just about as heavy as they can make it.
  11. Tammy
    11. Posted by Tammy Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:12 pm EDT

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    CRW43: how does the fact that the fence held, did its job, with minimal injuries constitute anything other than the fact that NASCAR has "done its job" and implemented a system (the catch fence) that protects fans and keeps cars from (a) clearing the fence or (b) punching through the fence?
    I, for one, would like to see an article about how the fence was designed/what impact it is meant to withhold. Maybe they do need to look at extending its height or strenght, but to paraphrase this article and a good article on NASCAR.COM (one of the few) the fence did its job.
    I've never been to a NASCAR race, but I've been to hockey and baseball games, and I bet if you look at a NASCAR ticket you'll see, like at hockey and baseball games, warnings that the sport is dangerous and spectators could unpredictably be hurt.
    I still bet more people required trips to the care center because of foolish behaviour in the infield than because of Carl's wreck.
  12. R N
    12. Posted by R N Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:17 pm EDT

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    What the media and everyone else going nuts over bulldozing Talladega and this and that are ignoring is that, basically, everything worked. Plus, we're talking about a freakish wreck that, apparently, happens once every 22 years or so. So in addition to the rarity of the accident itself, consider:
    Carl's car was going back down when he got hit by Newman. The roof flaps worked.
    He hit the fence really hard and it withstood the impact and put Carl's car back on the track with all four wheels on the ground. The catchfence worked.
    Carl then got out of a car which was on fire, and jokingly ran across the start finish line. The rollcages, HANS device, seat belts, and firesuit worked.
    The one problem is that debris did get into the stands and cause injuries, which I'm sure were not "minor" to the people that received them. But if that's the biggest issue here, than this makes NASCAR no more dangerous for the average fan than going to a baseball game, where hard hit foul balls go into the stands multiple times per game; forget about once every 22 years.
    There were a number of empty seats at Talladega on Sunday, so maybe the "solution" - if one is needed - would be to remove some of the seating closest to the fence and let those people sit elsewhere. Talladega would make about the same amount of money selling tickets, they'd sell out more often, and fans would, at least in theory, be safer. Not to mention that those low seats in the tri-oval suck anyway.
  13. NostraChronus
    13. Posted by NostraChronus Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:36 pm EDT

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    wait, I'm confused - so folks are saying that a sport predicated on cars running in excess of 185 mph around a constricted space with money on the line can lead to injuries or possibly even death? Holy cow, wow, no? Really? Car racing is dangerous? WTF? Since when? Since I needed to find a new favorite driver, apparently, thanks Carl.
  14. hugsx5
    14. Posted by hugsx5 Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:39 pm EDT

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    markN.. I don't know know if Ryan hit him so much as Carl landed on him. : ) *don't you know it is NEVER Ryan's fault'. but your point is valid..had Carl not made contact with Newman on his way down, he would have never been catapulted that high into the fence.. I am confident that this was a one in a million deal.
  15. Matt R
    15. Posted by Matt R Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:07 pm EDT

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    WOW GOOD COMMENTS... No one has mentioned that the spotters job is to tell carl that there was someone down low. I have never been to a race but I wanna go to one. If racers can't race then why have the sport. Spectators know the dangers when they buy the ticket. Its like going to a destruction derby you know there is going to be a wreck and parts flying of but you still go.
  16. SportsFan
    16. Posted by SportsFan Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:09 pm EDT

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    That accident was such a once in a lifetime event, I doubt all the engineers/mechanics/drivers in the world could re-create it.
  17. SportsFan
    17. Posted by SportsFan Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:10 pm EDT

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    RE: My post # 1, I see a correction was made.
  18. Jason Fuller
    18. Posted by Jason Fuller Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:51 pm EDT

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    I agree with NostraChronus (#13). We have "safe" racing, it's called bumper cars. NASCAR was one of the first extreme sports. The whole goal was to be the fastest, now we want to restrict speeds. Maybe we could buy some tanks from the army, plaster some numbers on them and have the drivers go around in those. We could call it the Subway Fresh Fit 161/2, after two and a half hours that is about all the miles you would get in.
  19. Jake D
    19. Posted by Jake D Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    What's the difference between someone sitting along the catch fence at a NASCAR race where there is a possibility of a wreck happening in front of you and debris flying your direction, and someone sitting above a dug-out at a baseball game where a hard hit foul could come flying your direction. Anyone who attends these events, sits in those positions, and thinks that they are free from harm are incredibly naive and completely stupid for believing so.
  20. Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments
    20. Posted by Spiderbandit88 - Read the Blogs, Not the Comments Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    I say slow the cars down about 10 MPH where they're supposed to be at during these events and maybe install some sort of thick, heavy wire mesh behind the fence to catch any debris.
    How you'd be able to see through that, I dunno, but...
    I watch racing for the racing, not the wrecks. That's just icing on the cake, but sometimes it's too sweet, if you catch my draft...
  21. brinirmess
    21. Posted by brinirmess Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Hugs, you know you're right there. With Rocketman as hard as steel, the impact of the 99just propelled him with such force, it was just steel on steel. Now if that had my man Smoke Edwards had hit, we'd of all just heard a big SPLAT!!!
    Disclaimer: this was an attempt at humor. If you did not see the humor, the ignore above mentioned comment, and pull your panties out your hinney. If you got it, then alright then.
  22. nic t
    22. Posted by nic t Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    lmao brini, that was priceless
  23. hugsx5
    23. Posted by hugsx5 Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:36 pm EDT

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    hang on.. I can't seem to get past the sentence 'Rocketman as hard as steel'. I am so distracted..
  24. NostraChronus
    24. Posted by NostraChronus Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    and I still don't see where the argument, what if someone dies during one of these races, comes from; Nascar lost a legend when Dale Sr. died at Daytona, and many others have perished over the years as well - if the Intimidator could give his life to the sport, why can't these other drivers who can't even hold a candle to him. That's obviously not something any of us ever want to see, but you didn't hear Junior campaigning to tear down Daytona after his daddy died; he just drives like a bat outta hell to prove that it's still the best racing around. As per fan safety, if you sit down by the track and don't recognize that there's an inherent risk to your life and limbs, a carburetor to the head might actually do some good. Three days 'til Richmond; boogity.
  25. brinirmess
    25. Posted by brinirmess Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    OMG, I should proof read before I post. Between you and Priss, Hugs, a girl has to think before she types..lol

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