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Todd duBoef, the president of the powerful boxing promotional company Top Rank, clearly does not understand mixed martial arts very well, as his recent comments in a Los Angeles Times article would indicate.

During a media day workout for Manny Pacquiao on Monday, duBoef questioned the safety of MMA based upon the finish of the Brock Lesnar-Randy Couture heavyweight title fight on Saturday at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Lesnar knocked Couture down with a right to the back of the ear and then finished him with a series of blows on the ground.

That caused duBoef to question the widely held belief that MMA is a safer sport than boxing in an interview with the Times' Lance Pugmire.

"When I see stuff like that, it looks like nothing more than a Toughman contest," duBoef told Pugmire. "There's no way it's safer than boxing."

Au contraire, Mr. President.

The UFC was founded in 1993 and began the modern era of MMA. Since that time, there have been two deaths in MMA competition. Douglas Dedge died on March 18, 1998, from injuries sustained in a fight on an unregulated card in Kiev, Ukraine, two days earlier. And in 2007, Sam Vasquez died on Nov. 30, 2007, from injuries sustained in an Oct. 20 fight in Houston.

The Journal of Combative Sport has documented 71 deaths since 1993 in boxing, including several from shows that Top Rank promoted.

DuBoef's comments did not escape the notice of UFC president Dana White, who ripped him upon reading the Times story.

"What Todd duBoef said the other day in the L.A. Times, this is the same Todd duBoef who got the free tickets from me to be at that event that night," White said. "He said that the Randy Couture stoppage proves that boxing is much safer than MMA. [Top Rank chairman] Bob Arum is 95 years old and senile, when he says crazy [expletive] you know, it goes over your head because you expect it from him. Bob has been saying crazy [expletive] since Day 1. But Todd duBoef? What does Todd duBoef know about MMA?

"I have a study from Johns Hopkins that proves that MMA is safer than boxing. Todd duBoef ought to stick to what it is he knows, but I don't know what that is. He's Bob Arum's stepson and that's how he got that job at Top Rank. This is insane. Bob Arum's stepson commenting on MMA safety? He doesn't know what he is talking about. I don't know what he knows, but whatever it is, he ought to stick to that."

The Johns Hopkins' study White referenced was published in the July 2006 edition of the Journal of Sports Science and Medicine.

In it, it makes several references to the fact that MMA is a safer sport with fewer traumatic brain injuries than in boxing.

"With MMA competitions, the opportunity to attack the extremities with arm bars and leg locks and the possibility of extended periods of grappling could serve to lessen the risk of traumatic brain injury," the article noted.

In its conclusions, it noted that "Knockout rates are lower in MMA competitions than in boxing. This suggests a reduced risk of TBI (traumatic brain injury) in MMA competitions when compared to other events involving striking."

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  1. yep thats me
    1. Posted by yep thats me Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    drunkatlunch you are gay for saying your first
    and here comes another endless discussion about Boxing vs. MMA.
  2. chano
    2. Posted by chano Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:02 pm EDT

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    Dangerous for the sport would letting Lesnar continue to pound on Couture while knocked out. Couture got caught went to the ground Steve M. was right there to see how he was doing saw that he was in danger not protecting himself then stopped it. So duBoef shutup!
  3. Ican2
    3. Posted by Ican2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    Blazin...I'm gonna sit this stupid boxing VS MMA blog out too..YAWN..Chano..carry the torch bro show them your knowledge..My man...
  4. Ismael K
    4. Posted by Ismael K Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 pm EDT

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    derka
  5. yep thats me
    5. Posted by yep thats me Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Chano I was actually suprised the ref let Lesnar hit him as many times as he did, but obviously he could see better than anyone if Couture was still ok or not.
  6. Jim
    6. Posted by Jim Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

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    Erm, actually the ref was Mario Yamasaki. Steve M. was the ref Lesnar specifically requested would NOT ref the fight. But, yeah, ref was right there.
    Most brain injury is not done with one shot. Repeated head shots over an extended period of time cause swelling of the brain, which is what kills most boxers. The fact that MMA fights usually end the first time a fighter is rocked prevent this -- there's no standing eight count, no time to recover, it's just done. I liken boxing to allowing a concussed player to return to an NFL game, it can be done but it's not healthy.
  7. Rob R
    7. Posted by Rob R Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    next time you watch a major boxing match that goes the distance, look at the compubox totals. in an active fight, you'll see guys landing upwards of 100 power punches and 100 jabs...many of these to the head. it's these repeated concussive blows that make boxing so dangerous. in mma, if you get hit once in the right spot with a power punch, it's lights out. that's not good for your health, but i'd rather take 1 ko punch than 100 non-ko punches.
  8. Rob R
    8. Posted by Rob R Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    basically...i agree with everything jim said before me.
  9. Farthammer
    9. Posted by Farthammer Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    I agree with White, but thought this was funny:
    "He's Bob Arum's stepson and that's how he got that job at Top Rank." - Dana White
    And you were a failed boxing promoter with school-ties to the Fertittas, and that's how you got your job. What's your point, Dana?
  10. ruckaone
    10. Posted by ruckaone Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    Boxing is DEAD, people need to get over it.
  11. Nutcracker
    11. Posted by Nutcracker Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:22 pm EDT

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    Cofield, there you go again.. Yes there are more ring deaths in boxing vs. MMA. But all boxing deaths vs. all MMA deaths is like comparing auto related deaths in the US vs. China.. There are very few MMA cards held in the US, let alone globally.. There is a boxing card every night in every corner of the globe. So to say one is safer than the other is misleading. Compare the overall number of boxing matches vs. MMA matches, then compare the deaths per match ratio... Big difference. The only thing safer about MMA is the smaller ounce gloves. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but the smaller ounce gloves actually allow for less of a beating over several rounds. What is meant to protect the hands ironically does way more damage to the brain. Not to mention sparring which is where most serious boxers use even heavier ounce gloves and headgear, thus enduring even more damage.. Having said that, do you think Lesnar could be a coach on TUF?? I mean, he would be great at teaching the finer points of striking/boxing.. I am being facetious of course, but my point is not lost on those that regard MMA as anything but a "MIxed" discipline...
  12. Nutcracker
    12. Posted by Nutcracker Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:22 pm EDT

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    ruckaone..... MMA is a fad... LIke mullets. You will be embarrassed you liked this garbage in 5-10 years. But enjoy your truck and Tapout stickers while it lasts.
  13. Ican2
    13. Posted by Ican2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    OK..I get this now..There are several bloggers here who are all the same person...Very clever...
  14. Matt
    14. Posted by Matt Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:31 pm EDT

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    You should have mentioned that the 2 fatalities in MMA happened to two people who never should have been allowed to fight in the first place.
  15. Ican2
    15. Posted by Ican2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    HAAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaha..OH MY this is good stuff...way better then any blog from cofield or saggy...
  16. SouthCal21
    16. Posted by SouthCal21 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    I love both sports and must contest that boxing is most definitely not "dead", ruckaone....that being said, with all the alphabet titles and promoters intentionally dilluting competition to make more money, it couldnt hurt boxing to put on better events....
    nutcracker, i understand your point and agree with you for the most part but i think they were saying that the actually art and act of boxing is more dangerous than that of MMA rather than comparing them strictly from a statistical standpoint (number of deaths)....the j hopkins study referenced in the blog is talking about the type of damage inflicted in both sports (# of headblows), not the amount of people that have been killed.....but goodpoints nonetheless....
  17. Farthammer
    17. Posted by Farthammer Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Nutcracker just gave himself away. Older than Dana? So you are in your 40s? That explains everything. There may be some kids on your lawn you can yell at...
    Being a boxing fan and MMA fan are not mutually exclusive. I like both. But continually mocking MMA on an MMA blog shows how much of a cranky old man you really are. Of course MMA practitioners are not as good at punching as boxers; they have to worry about a million other things aside from getting punched! That's like pointing out that Boxers have terrible takedown defense.
    The only thing I agree with you on is Dana and his sugardaddies.
  18. Bidz
    18. Posted by Bidz Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 pm EDT

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    There is no mention of the millions of more boxing matches worldwide on record when compared to mixed martial arts fights. I think 71 is a low number when you take into account how many more boxing matches there have been. Probably much lower than mma would be at the same number of fights. One study doesn't make things fact, however I would like to see the criteria of that study. I think both sports are safe enough not to have to talk about it,
  19. Brian
    19. Posted by Brian Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    If boxing wants to eliminate some the injuries, bring back the standing 8 count. This give the ref a chance to look at a fighter before he gets hit too many time and check if he's actually hurt. It was taken away based on it slowing the action and affecting the outcome of fight by being a 1 point deduction. Take that provision out and allow the ref to do his job and protect the fighters, otherwise you will continue to see boxers suffer more brain injuries than there should be.
  20. Nutcracker
    20. Posted by Nutcracker Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:22 pm EDT

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    Fartyhammer.. I am 39.... Still younger than BHOP who i am sure could throw you or the kids on your lawn a beating. I sparred last month with two top rate cruiserweights and more than held my own.. So dont worry about me cupcake. Yeah MMA fighters have more to worry about, mostly some guy that cant box shooting for your legs (ex. Maia) . But there always comes a point where distance closes and you have to throw.. And at that time, you either throw proper punches with good form, or you look like a plodder like most MMA fighters. So dont give me the 'so much to worry about' argument. You either throw a punch well, or you look like wild retard (ex. Leben, Sherk, etc etc,).... At least you are smart enough to agree on the sugardaddiy part.. The rest of your response it typical MMA dribble........
  21. Crazylegs $wam
    21. Posted by Crazylegs $wam Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:13 pm EDT

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    ha, i jumped all over this in a previous blog, even money says Dana read and ran with it!
  22. Nutcracker
    22. Posted by Nutcracker Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:22 pm EDT

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    In the end, strictly speaking from a death and or serious injury risk, equestrian show jumping is way more dangerous than Boxing and MMA combined..
  23. SouthCal21
    23. Posted by SouthCal21 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    nutcracker, in MMA, even when the distance is closed doesnt mean that you have to throw a punch...the fighters can actually shoot for a take down, knee, kick, elbow, etc....just because the distance is reduced doesnt mean the MMA fighters have to become boxers....they have a MIXTURE of options....
  24. SouthCal21
    24. Posted by SouthCal21 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm EDT

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    and i just cant wait for Holyfield to mix it up for the Heavyweight title soon!!!!!...id way rather watch that than BJ vs GSP....yank yank....boxing cards are ridiculous and so are their fans that dont respect MMA....
    i agree with D rok...

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