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After being blistered on the internet for 36 hours, Cecil Peoples, one of the judges from the disputed Lyoto Machida-Mauricio Rua is firing back. Fans have been crushing him and the UFC over the Machida 48-47 decision. Many fighters outside the cage believed that Rua won the fight. One media member said the UFC [expletive] up and Dana White needs to stop blogging and fix the sport. Peoples told CageReport.net that there is a lack of understanding on how to score a fight: 

"First of all what you need to understand is that from where the judges are sitting, we get to see things that the fans at home may miss. Mauricio Rua was being aggressive but it wasn't effective aggressiveness which is what we as the judges look for when scoring a fight. The way I saw it, Lyoto was landing the more cleaner and damaging strikes throughout the fight - if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Rua threw a lot of low kicks they were not as damaging as Lyotos diverse attack in the earlier rounds which is why I scored the first three rounds for Machida."

I have zero issue with that explanation. Judges in boxing differ on their philosophy as well. It's the old volume versus precision argument. That said, I disagree that Machida landed the cleaner strikes in the first round but Peoples is entitled to his own opinion. 

"You have to keep in mind we always the favor the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don't do that."

See now there might be a problem with that statement. It sounds like Peoples believes that head strikes are the only to finish the fight. So does that means all leg and body strikes can't lead to a finish? 

"When both fighters are engaged in a striking match what I always look for is the fighter who is being judicious, picking his spots, being accurate and landing the cleaner strikes which ultimately is what Lyoto did more effectively than Rua. Lyoto made Shogun come after him, he determined where the fight took place which in my opinion constitutes as effective Octagon control."

This could be another issue. Do counterstrikers generally get the nod in Peoples' opinion. 

"I recognize the fact that Rua did have a few takedown attempts during the course of the fight however Lyoto defended them all successfully which counts as effective grappling in his favor, where as unsuccessful takedown attempts are not scored at all. Therefore going by that criteria, I believe Lyoto won the fight clearly. I'm just glad the other judges on the panel saw it the same way and I'm sure the fans who understand the technicalities of the sport agree with the decision too."

That's a nice shot at the end, "fans who UNDERSTAND the technicalities." He can take a shot at the fans but the media support for Rua was pretty overwhelming:

Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
Kevin Iole, Yahoo!: 48-47 Rua
Dave Doyle, Yahoo!: 48-47 Rua
Dave Meltzer, Yahoo!: 49-46 Rua
BloodyElbow: 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua
ESPN: 49-46 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Adam Hill, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 48-47 Machida

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  1. tdube09
    1. Posted by tdube09 Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:39 pm EDT

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    That picture definitely states why machida won...
  2. tdube09
    2. Posted by tdube09 Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:49 pm EDT

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    That leg kick pictured wasn't clean at all!
  3. Mainevent
    3. Posted by Mainevent Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:50 pm EDT

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    I say we have Shogun kick Cecil Peoples in the leg. Then maybe he'll understand how damaging they are.
  4. mrbk
    4. Posted by mrbk Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:53 pm EDT

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    wtf!!!! ok..ok...if shogun really wanted that belt...then why the hell didnt he go in there and try and finish..instead he kept throwing leg kicks..hoping it would take machida down!!! but machida didnt go down and just kept countering hahahaha!!! machida fought how he usually fights...boring..countering...but he did defend!!! close fight !!! i even thought shogun won at the end...and im a big machida fan!!!...shogun just didnt do enough to slay the dragon!!! machida countered/defended...thats what a champ does....!! rematch shogun will get killed hahahahahah
  5. Shaun
    5. Posted by Shaun Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:54 pm EDT

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    @ 1 - lol
  6. jayyolf1
    6. Posted by jayyolf1 Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:56 pm EDT

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    That"s right!!!!!! right on!!!!!
  7. sinrobot17
    7. Posted by sinrobot17 Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:57 pm EDT

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    http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html Enough Said
  8. jayyolf1
    8. Posted by jayyolf1 Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:58 pm EDT

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    Allen - Yes you do get points for good defense, including escaping submission attempts, avoiding takedowns, etc. It makes perfect sense IMO
  9. ericfmcclung
    9. Posted by ericfmcclung Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:59 pm EDT

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    Rua did not try to close the fight out. It's his fault for making the fight as close as it was. It tried to take it easier later in the fight and he got burned. Everyone should just settle down and wait for the rematch.
  10. jayyolf1
    10. Posted by jayyolf1 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:01 pm EDT

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    "You have to keep in mind we always the favor the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don't do that."
    HELL YEAH!!!
  11. austizz1e
    11. Posted by austizz1e Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:02 pm EDT

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    anyone gonna interview cecil peoples anytime soon and try to argue with/challenge his opinion?
    Maybe its a job for the cagewriter or anyone else to interview and embarrass cecil peoples so everyone knows for sure that the judging was a huge mistaje
  12. jayyolf1
    12. Posted by jayyolf1 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:07 pm EDT

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    "I recognize the fact that Rua did have a few takedown attempts during the course of the fight however Lyoto defended them all successfully which counts as effective grappling in his favor, where as unsuccessful takedown attempts are not scored at all."
    I fkkkking told ALL of you......confirmation right there..........I told y'all so!!!!!!
    I bet NONE of you gave Machida credit for stuffing the takedowns, which score points!!!! Why don't you go rewatch the fights now and add those points with his big KNEES, punches, and kicks........
    MACHIDA WON a CLOSE Decision...........GREAT DECISION IMO!!!!!!!!
    All of you QUIT CRYING about it, and get over it
    The REMATCH will tell all.......so until then STFU!......the end, PERIOD
  13. Villain85
    13. Posted by Villain85 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:07 pm EDT

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    Rua not only landed cleaner hits, but also had more effective hits. Machida had a basketball-sized welt on his ribcage and both legs. Rua was relatively unmarked.
    Besides an impressive knee-flurry in the 1st round, Machida did absolutely nothing to finish that fight. He backpedaled and was highly ineffective in his counters.
    You could say Lyoto made Shogun come after him, but why in other instances is it called 'taking the fight to the opponent'? The problem there is that Lyoto was ineffective. If he had some success with his avoid and counter style, then sure he is dictating the fight. But when he's landing few shots while getting his legs and ribs battered, it's clear that Rua dictated the fight no matter if he was walking forward or backwards.
    Nice try Peoples.
  14. tdube09
    14. Posted by tdube09 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:08 pm EDT

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    you see what happened to rashad when he tried to finish??? That's what i don't get the go get 'em style typically doesn't work against machida. Rua was putting himself more at risk when charging forward and attacking him. Rua stuck to his game-plan and countered much more effectively than machida did. look at machidas face throughout the fight. he was surprised he was getting hit so much and so hard by shogun.
    Please take a few thai kicks and try walking around.
  15. ryan w
    15. Posted by ryan w Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:11 pm EDT

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    Cofield: "That's a nice shot at the end, 'fans who UNDERSTAND the technicalities.' He can take a shot at the fans but the media support for Rua was pretty overwhelming:"
    It's too bad for you that "media support" still falls under the category of "fans" (not officials). But it was a nice try at a "nice shot at the end".
  16. tdube09
    16. Posted by tdube09 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:13 pm EDT

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    jay please. youre a joke. do you have any idea what you're even talking about?? take a thai kick or 2, unchecked at your local gym, not even by a trained professional fighter and tell me how much you liked it. then take 40 more and let me know how your legs feel. make sure you get it on video too i want to see you crying on youtube.
  17. Roger
    17. Posted by Roger Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:14 pm EDT

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    Watch it on mute and tell me who won?
  18. jason
    18. Posted by jason Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:17 pm EDT

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    Since when did a blog become legitimate media? and since when did the scoring that the so called "media" count for anything?
    a bunch of dudes with blogs dont get to decide who wins fights. and the score from ESPN.....puh-lease. ESPN has gone out of its way to avoid MMA in general, and the UFC specifically, but yet they will cover a bunch of fat loser gamblers in what is laughably called the World Series of Poker.....
    Wake up you blogging morons.....you're not media, and even if you were, your scores dont count.
  19. Sandman
    19. Posted by Sandman Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:18 pm EDT

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    In support of #8:
    If the infor given on http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html is correct, Peoples is wrong and Rua won the technical battle.
  20. frazierfan86
    20. Posted by frazierfan86 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:21 pm EDT

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    "You have to keep in mind we always the favor the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don't do that."
    Get this guy OUTTA HERE!
  21. John A
    21. Posted by John A Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:22 pm EDT

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    I agree with the Referee... You don't a Championship with leg kicks that don't do any damage! Yes, Machida did slow down in the fourth and final round, but don't think Rua did enough to deserve that belt!
    If Rua knocked Machida down a couple times with the leg kicks, then I wouldn't agree with this decision. But Machida did land some cleaner punches and defended the takedowns very well!
    Yes, Machida was favoured because he was the Champion. Remember, Machida OWNED THE BELT and Rua was the CHALLENGER!!
    I'm not saying the Champion can just show up, cruise through a fight and expect to win.. But if your the Challenger, you have to show why your deserve the belt and demonstrate clearly how you beat the Champion! Period!
  22. Frank Buster Barns
    22. Posted by Frank Buster Barns Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:32 pm EDT

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    Peoples, Peoples is right on! Those kicks were not any thing special its like a guy with a quick jab flicking it out and landing only to make your nose red. If those kicks were so good why didn't he knock him down with them and make him quit or break his arm like Cung Lee did to Shamrock. Nope not even a single time did Machida limp or fall down and have Rua on him. So you weekend warriors keep watching Joe Rogan and his partner in crime Goldy yell every time Rua threw a kick. Safe to say they had some money on Rua with the upset. Machida will never be beaten and thats a fact you can stick in ya dream pipe.
  23. B M
    23. Posted by B M Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:35 pm EDT

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    I have no problem with Cecil Peoples and how he scored the fight. He had round 1, 2, 3 for Machida. Fair enough, round 1 was a toss-up. But Nelson Hamilton gave round 4 to Machida. There is no way that he won round 4. He might have been the only person in the world that saw Machida win round 4. Like, seriously.
  24. jayyolf1
    24. Posted by jayyolf1 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:37 pm EDT

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    tdube09 - uhhhhh yeah assclown, I do know what I am talking about. I've been watching MMA since '95, so let me turn on some MC Hammer for you - You can't touch this!!!! LOL!!!
    Leg Kicks do NOT score that high bro!!!
    Come on, I can't believe you ppl can't grasp this concept. I bet it's because you bet on the fight and lost or something. Boy am I glad that Allen and Steven W talked me out of betting for this fight AND I am SO glad that I didn't pay good money to go see this fight live......I would have been P'Oed!!!!!!
  25. frazierfan86
    25. Posted by frazierfan86 Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:37 pm EDT

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    @John A:
    He ws fighting Machida. He took the fight to Machida as well as he could: you can't go balls-out against him or you'll get rocked. Shogun played Machida's game and even though Shogun was the aggressor most of the night, he got just out of punching range and sat there until MACHIDA came in. Shogun beat a top-10 pound for pound fighter at his own game and was robbed, which is why a lot of fans are really pissed off.
    I definitely feel for Shogun.

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