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The hype is finished; now it's time for several fighters to show if they can live up to the lofty reputations bestowed upon by some. After his win at UFC 98, Lyoto Machida was dubbed a guy with an "era" by UFC analyst Joe Rogan. Cain Velasquez has been called the future of the heavyweight division for the better part of a year now. Guys like former champ Frank Mir rave about him. Velasquez showed some holes on the feet in his last fight. Has he shored them up? Yushin Okami is the other fighter with a lot to prove. Some bloggers have trumpeted him as a candidate to challenge Anderson Silva at middleweight. If that's the case, he needs to handle Chael Sonnen easily.

Let's take a shot at finding some winners according to the Las Vegas odds. As always, these picks are based on value, not necessarily who will win the fight.

UFC 104 ODDS (Courtesy of Venetian Resort Hotel Casino)
Official plays in bold

Mauricio Rua (+375) v. Lyoto Machida (-550) - UFC Light heavyweight title
When the fight was booked, there were just a handful of folks on online who liked the matchup. As we get closer to the fight, people are beginning to remember just how good Rua was back in 2005 and 2006. He's not old or washed up. He just got a little lazy and suffered from chronic knee issues. Rua's conditioning should be back and he's the first fighter Machida has faced in the UFC who can actually strike with him. Machida should win the fight but Rua is no joke and delivers good value. UPDATE: Machida has jumped another 50 cents in Sin City to -600!
PICK: RUA +375 

Ben Rothwell (+200) v. Cain Velasquez (-250) - Heavyweight
This is another nice test for Velasquez. The former Arizona State wrestler is always a subject of intense debate. He destroyed Cheick Kongo in his last fight, but was unable to finish him. Critics came out of the woodwork to say Velasquez is overrated. He's a work in progress, but far from overrated. Rothwell looks to have taken his conditioning seriously, but will that be enough to avoid being manhandled by Velasquez? If Rothwell were an elite striker with a little wrestling, I'd be worried about the upset. It's not the case here. UPDATE: All the action is on Velasquez, he's now at -330.
PICK: VELASQUEZ -250

Gleison Tibau (-115) v. Josh Neer (-115) -Lightweight
This is another bout with Fight of the Night potential. Tibau is a dynamite ground fighter, but he looked a bit frustrated in his last fight when Melvin Guillard was able to stay off his back. Neer is bigger than Guillard and drilled his wrestling heavily after his loss at UFC 101 to Kurt Pellegrino. Tibau just doesn't have enough on the feet to compete with Neer, a heavy hitter with a huge chin. Watch for gas tank issues in this one. Both fighters missed weight and Neer took the fight on short notice.
PICK: NEER -115

Spencer Fischer (+200) v. Joe Stevenson (-250) - Lightweight
It is a nice step up for Fisher to face Stevenson, a guy on the edge of the top five at 155. Stevenson's career should reach a different level now that he's working full-time with Greg Jackson in Albuquerque. Fisher still lacks top-notch takedown defense. If he can keep it standing, he has a shot, but he won't be able to do it with Stevenson, who is one of the best grapplers in the world at lightweight.
PICK: STEVENSON -250

Yoshiyuki Yoshida (+250) v. Anthony Johnson (-330) - Welterweight
Most people were probably going to roll with Johnson in this one. His striking is too dynamic for Yoshida. But now there's an X-factor with Johnson missing weight so badly on Friday, at 176 pounds. The weight cut was so bad on Friday that he looked to be on the verge of passing out as he was being carried throught the streets of Los Angeles 90 minutes before the weigh-in. Will he be fully recovered for the fight? Will he have enough stamina? There are still some questions about Johnson's takedown defense as well. Buyer beware.
PICK: JOHNSON -330

Eric Schafer (+350) v. Ryan Bader (-500) - Light heavyweight
Schafer is always a dangerous guy to face if you don't have a complete game. Bader, a wrestler by trade who won the eighth season of "The Ultimate Fighter," is still trying to add striking and submissions to his game. Schafer has already pulled upsets on one-dimensional fighters in Houston Alexander and Antonio Mendes. The fighter's only losses in the UFC came against Stephan Bonnar and Michael Bisping. He's got more than a shot to pull off a submission on Bader. These odds are too good to pass up. UPDATE: Bettors have slammed Bader up to -700. That's a nice bet on Schafer at +450.
PICK: SCHAFER +350

Pat Barry (Even) v. Antoni Hardonk (-130) - Heavyweight
This one should be explosive. Barry and Hardonk are former kickboxing training partners in Amsterdam. It all depends on where the fight goes. If it's all stand-up, Barry has a great shot but Hardonk is too smart,  and he'll get it to the ground. Hardonk has a solid submission game. Has Barry done his work in the gym? We'll see.
PICK: HARDONK -130  

Chael Sonnen (+220) v. Yushin Okami (-300) - Middleweight
Okami is back after a long layoff, and he is facing his mirror image. Okami usually outsizes his opponents, but that shouldn't be the case with Sonnen, who cuts to middleweight from 215. This one will be waged on the ground. It's just a matter of who consistently gains top control. Sonnen's biggest weakness is submission defense. Okami has a sub game but doesn't use it often. We'll roll the dice that Sonnen can more than hold his own and bring home the underdog money.
PICK: SONNEN +220

Jorge Rivera (+150) v. Rob Kimmons (-180) - Middleweight
Rivera didn't look great his last time out against Nissen Osterneck but he did get a victory on points. Rivera is the much bigger fighter and his experience will shine through. Kimmons has never stepped up to this level. The only worry is Rivera's mental state. The fight against Osterneck was his first since the death of his 18-year-old daughter. His conditioning and mental approach will allow him to pull the upset.
PICK: RIVERA +150

Razak Al-Hassan (+115) v. Kyle Kingsbury (-145) - Light heavyweight
Al-Hassan looked terrible his first time in the UFC, a bout against Steve Cantwell. Cantwell isn't great and he toyed with Al-Hassan. This is a little easier assignment in Kingsbury, but the kid does have potential. He looks like the crisper striker and if it goes to the ground, he should be more apt to pull out a submission.
PICK: KINGSBURY -145 

Chase Gormley (+110) v. Stefan Struve (-140) - Heavyweight
There have been rave reviews about Gormley for a while. The 6-foot-11 Struve is very young, but was able to pull out his first UFC win against Denis Strojnic at UFC 99. But he suffered an awful cut in the fight before escaping with a submission win. His standup is too suspect to lay this kind of number. There are some advantages to being 6-11 but it's also a huge problem when trying to defend against a former NAIA All-American wrestler like Gormley. UPDATE: The Gormley hype has reached Vegas. This line has completely flipped with Gormley now -170. Oddsmakers still say they believe Struve should be the favorite.
PICK: GORMLEY +180

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  1. clbuzz10
    1. Posted by clbuzz10 Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:10 am EDT

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  2. Barry McCociner
    2. Posted by Barry McCociner Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:24 am EDT

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    your machida rua breakdown must be solely to get people to buy this ppv. What has changed in the last few weeks that is making us think more about how he looked 4-5 years ago? I, for one, am thinking about how bad he looked against mark coleman and how unimpressive it is to beat a one-dimensional past-his-prime chuck liddell. I am expecting the kind of beatdown lesnar gave mir. Not in that fashion, but to that "wow, he never had a chance" degree. Machida is at the level if not higher than rua was at 5 years ago in pride, and it will show. This fight should reinforce machida's dominance at his weight class, especially with all the cofields of the world that think rua has a chance. Apparently the bookies agree with me too, so umm..where is the value again?
    I dont think i know enough about rothwell or velasquez to make an opinion, but it is probably better for UFC if velasquez wins in convincing fashion. it gives em another reputable contender, whereas rothwell would probably have to win another to prove himself. For the goof, I will take velasquez by sloppy knockout and controversial (in rothwells eyes) toppage in the first round. This will be rothwell's nerves as much as velasquez showing anything good.
    i'll take tibau for no good reason. By choke.
    Stevenson will win by decision.
    I'll go with the bookies and pick johnson. The weight difference and power should make the difference.
    I would put money on schaeffer just because its MMA and those are good odds to take.
    Sonnen and barry will get embarrased.
    The rest...I dont care.
  3. Steven W
    3. Posted by Steven W Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:12 pm EDT

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    Barry, while i agree that machida should beat rua in convincing fashion i hardly think that the odds are spot on for that one.....do you really think machida should be anywhere in the realm of -600? i mean, if the accolades that rua carries with him don't warrant better odds than what would? it seems ridiculous to have it swayed so much, and if i was a betting man it would only make sense for me to put at least a little bit on rua. and it wasn't quite 4-5 years ago when he was still performing on an amazing level, but yes it does span that far back. and whether liddell was an easy opponent for him or not doesn't say anything, all it says is that he went in there and finished the job, like he was expected to by many...the fact that he ko'd a guy people expected him to doesn't hurt his odds does it? anyhow, having said that...i'm a believer in the machida era and call him to win tonight, but i'm not going to say i have forgotten what shogun can do...if only foot stomps were legal!
    for the rest, i'll take rothwell, tibau, stevenson, johnson (although yoshida might be the darkhorse here...sub win), shafer with the upset (also way too much of a dog), hardonk, okami, rivera, razak and gormley.
  4. Steven W
    4. Posted by Steven W Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:14 pm EDT

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    torres and faber both had it coming. they were over confident and lost to fighters who fought more technically sound fights. but i'm sure mir is anything but a good luck charm. i'm alright with rogan usually, but goldy's act got old a long time ago. not sure who i would prefer, but quadros comes to mind, not a mauro fan. oddly enough, i don't mind "the voice" i think he's kinda funny. the m1 challenge shows used to have a guy that was pretty good, but hey i don't get hdnet anymore....thanks time warner
  5. Chocolat
    5. Posted by Chocolat Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:53 pm EDT

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    Joe if you actually looked for the numbers perhaps you would find them. I have seen the pay per view numbers for the last several ppvs, and while they have declined since UFC 100, no one is hiding them from you.
  6. WORM
    6. Posted by WORM Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:28 pm EDT

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    my question is, why does okami have to win easily, is Dana afraid to let him fight Anderson and possibly beat him?
  7. Sandman
    7. Posted by Sandman Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:30 pm EDT

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    Actually, I prefer Randy as an announcer. He is less bias than Rogan and Mir in his analysis, makes intelligent comments, and provides genuine insights. Goldy is worthless and annoying.
    Machida will kill Rua. Velasquez is overrated; I don’t care what the Hype machines are telling us. He has never impressed me with any of his fights. Ben is less than tops, so I don’t know who is going to win. Velasquez better look damn impressive in order for me to believe his is not pure hype.
    Brown and Bowles proved that they are not hype. Brown has destroyed Faber twice. Bowles is going to have a nice run, as Torres was overrated. I hope Brown makes it to the UFC’s 155 Division.
  8. kimboisnotmma
    8. Posted by kimboisnotmma Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    The so called machida era is going to be short lived when Shogun catches him tonight. You can only run for so long, like he did with Tito. The dragon has like 2 ko's and a submission and the rest decisions in 15 bouts. We'll see if machida can take a pucnh tonight, couture is the best announcer. wouldnt mind seeing brown pride get knocked out to, kongo should have won that if he ever knew how to put anyone away. until next time, we'll see you "Inside the Octogan" stay up goldie! The "nightmare" era begins in December!
  9. Barry McCociner
    9. Posted by Barry McCociner Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    Sorry joe, but IMHO machida is not a hype machine. He is smart, light on his feet, and effective in all areas of MMA he has shown so far.
    Yeah steven, I think the odds are correct...when have you ever seen someone look so horrible and then come back to look even near of what they once were? It happens in all sports, and I have made TONS of money betting against people who bet with their hearts more than brains. Athletes hit the wall in every sport..liddell is a good example. I dont care what he does(excluding juice), he will never look like half the man we remember in the cage.
    Same goes for randy and nog...they lookd HORRIBLE in their last few fights and neither of them should be considered at the top of their weight class. Poor charger fans think tomlinson can "snap out of it" too. Jermaine taylor is done. Roy jones got thrown into the wall by tarver. Papi will never hit 50 homers again. it's just the facts.
  10. PaddyRite
    10. Posted by PaddyRite Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:36 pm EDT

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    I can't say I am going to get real excited about the main event. I notice about 40% of the hardcores are still pulling for Rua in some kind of return to "pride glory" of the good old days. There are a few realistic problems with this scenario. This isn't pride, different rules, cage ect. And Rua has not showed anything remotely close to the timing, speed, skill, take down ability or anything that shows he can compete effectively in any facet with Machida. I know everyone is saying well, he had a hiccup against Griffin, and a knee problem against Coleman, but, he "REALLY showed he is back by knocking out Liddell in the 1st round". Uh, hows that?. Rampage and Evens did the same, in probably more dramatic fashion. So that win only shows that he "might" rise to their level. But as Machida showed Evans, he is on a different plane. And I don't see where Rua is close. The odds betting on.
    In the Case of Okami vs Sonnen, I do think this is something worth watching. As we know, Anderson and his crew have been playing allot of games with the UFC in regards to the MW title. I saw part of a video yesterday where Ed Soares was stating yet again that he did not know if Anderson could be ready to fight by next Jan 2nd, blah, blah his elbow. Then he said that they did not feel Belfort deserved the fight, that his wins against Martin, Lindland and Franklin do not make him the #1 MW contender. When asked who he thought deserved the next shot, he said "truthfully, I think if Okami wins this week, that he is truly the #1 contender, and he and Silva have unfinished business". He also added that Anderson would have extra motivation to "heal fast" if such a match was made.
    I think its clear now that Silva is going to fight only who he wants to, only who he thinks is the best challenge and who will make him the most money. And I don't see how the UFC is going to be in charge of that situation really. I think AS has the power for sure.
  11. AvEnGeRx
    11. Posted by AvEnGeRx Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:35 pm EDT

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    Lyoto Machida has all the tools to win standing and Rua has looked tired when pushed in recent fights so this can be over quick unless it gos to the ground then an upset is not out of the question. Cain Velasquez is going to be tested just like his last fight and if he can survive the first round then should win by decision. Josh Neer by decision if he keeps it standing for most of the fight. Joe Stevenson should win easy if he fights like he did in his last fight. Anthony Johnson by KO 1st round as he has been going all out in his last 2 fights. Ryan Bader in a close fight as the -500 is best best of the bunch. Antoni Hardonk by decision. Yushin Okami in a brawl and wins a close one. Jorge Rivera gets the KO and the upset. Last two fights are up for grabs. Favorites should win easy this time around except as noted.
  12. puttukalees
    12. Posted by puttukalees Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:53 pm EDT

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    http://ufc104livevideos.blogspot.com/
  13. gerald h
    13. Posted by gerald h Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:16 am EDT

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    Somebody please call the cops on this one. The whole fight was stolen.
  14. Barry McCociner
    14. Posted by Barry McCociner Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:52 am EDT

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    wow..i was in shock watching machida get abused, and even more shocked at the decision

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