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There were days around the Las Vegas offices of UFC that it appeared event No. 60 was going to be an impossibility. Forget about a UFC 100. Dana White and the Fertittas were four years into running the promotion and Lorenzo Fertitta had hit the wall. There was little media coverage or support from venues outside of Las Vegas. The costs of running and promoting the events put the Fertittas $44 million in the hole by 2004.

"I’m telling you the first four or five years of this thing I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy," White told the Las Vegas Sun. "It was miserable, it was harder than I could ever image, or ever explain to you."

White was getting trashed by the Fertittas' wealthy friends:

"We were looked down upon and we were the red-headed stepchild of Zuffa — 'Oh God, this thing is never going to work. They're burning all the guy's money. This was a horrible idea. They listened to Dana and all this [expletive],'" White told the Canadian Press.

Lorenzo Fertitta finally hit the wall in the middle of 2004:

"The business was building. It wasn't building at a pace where you're going to get your $44 million back, you know what I mean. That's crazy big money. And Lorenzo called me one day when I was in the office and he said 'Dana, I can't do this anymore, man. I can't continue to blow all my money and my brother's money on this thing. I've got to get out of this, man," said White. "Get out on the streets and see what you can do. See how much money you can raise.'"

White said he hustled that day making phone calls trying to drum up some additional money:

"He called me back around 8 o'clock at night and he said 'What's up.' And I said I know for a fact, I can get you $4 million, maybe six, maybe seven, I don't know but four for sure. And he was silent at the other end of the phone and he says 'OK., I'll call you tomorrow.' So that night, I actually told (chief operating officer) Kirk Hendrich, I said 'Dude it's over, man. It is over and we gave it a shot and whatever.'"

Fertitta called the next morning and told White to keep it going. They had to dump more money into to get bankroll the first season of The Ultimate Fighter and that's when things took off. It's pretty amazing progress in just over four years. White told the Las Vegas Review-Journal they were offered $1.2 billion for the company last year.

Neil Davidson's story on the early days is a good read. Make sure you check out the part where White talks about having to filter through lots of people to find the right mix as far as his staff.

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  1. Rob R
    1. Posted by Rob R Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:07 pm EDT

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    That is why they deserve to keep a big chuck of the revenues as opposed to passing it all through to the fighters. Those guys took a huge risk. If the Fertittas and Dana (he has a small percentage stake, right?) didn't take that risk, these fighters wouldn't be making one-tenth of what they're making today...at least not in the U.S.
  2. Peacock
    2. Posted by Peacock Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:27 pm EDT

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    The fighters in the UFC make over 100,000 per year. Not a lot if you consider all they put into it. However, it is a lot better than the 500 they would make on thier local shows. Not a bad payday with the potential to make a lot more.
  3. John O
    3. Posted by John O Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:30 pm EDT

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    The word is "Big Chunk" not Chuck stupid
  4. Allen
    4. Posted by Allen Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:37 pm EDT

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    If you consider 100,000 a year not much, you are nuts.
    They are lucky to fight 4 times a year.
    And here's an example.
    Do you think Rich Franklin would rather be teaching or fighting?
    I am sure his teaching job paid peanuts compared to what he makes now.
    And why is everyone so concerned about the salaries of the UFC fighters?
    Are you all labor rights organizers or millionaires?
    Do you really think the fighters give 2 chits as to what anyone thinks about what they make?
    If they are unhappy at their job and salary, join the ranks of America.
    And that is a seriously sweet Pride shirt.
  5. Rob R
    5. Posted by Rob R Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:50 pm EDT

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    Wow. One typo and all of a sudden, I'm "stupid."
    You might want to consider the using a comma before insulting someone else's intelligence, chief.
    But anyway...Good job addressing the actual SUBSTANCE of what I wrote. You've really contributed to this blog. For that, we are all grateful.
  6. Rob R
    6. Posted by Rob R Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:07 pm EDT

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    Peacock....You've pretty much summed it up.
    Are UFC fighters across the board paid as well as pros in other sports? No. But they're paid that way because they have no leverage and no union.
    Like you said, the fighters are much better off in UFC than they would be anywhere else. And they're probably much happier fighting than working a 9-to-5 in an office. The top guys - the ones that draw the big gate and PPV numbers - are paid much more than $100,000 per year, despite what their disclosed salaries are. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar, Mir, and GSP end up taking $1 million out of this PPV.
    I think that in the years to come, now that Zuffa has recouped what it lost and is likely operating well into the black, Zuffa will start to pass more of its revenues along to the fighters. Surely, Zuffa appreciates that without the fighters, there is no UFC. But for those first few years after the first season of TUF, Zuffa was completely justified in paying down its debts and enjoying the profits.
    The fighters obviously care what they make, Allen. That's clear from the recent interviews from Faber and Torres. But like you said, they can deal with it or find somewhere else to work.
  7. SplashOfPee
    7. Posted by SplashOfPee Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:11 pm EDT

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    I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when that money started coming in. UFC is the next major cash crop. They should become traded on the market so I can make money off them as well.
  8. Rob R
    8. Posted by Rob R Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:41 pm EDT

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    Too late, Splash. I'm not saying they've maxed out, but I think the steepest part of the curve is behind them, at least as long as Dana White remains the mouthpiece of the organization.
    Make no mistake...Dana White played a massive role in getting it where it is...but the networks probably don't want to associate with a guy with his mouth. We'll see how the global thing works out.
  9. alex m
    9. Posted by alex m Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    bunch of meatheads, why can't white trade places with mcnair
  10. Patrón
    10. Posted by Patrón Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    Yahoo finally sold out and changed the MMA tab to UFC. Guess we can look forward to a lot of Dana UFC love and no mention of anything else MMA, wonderful. Have to start going back to Sherdog and elsewhere to learn anything meaningful. Thanks Yahoo!! (by the way, I realize they have NFL and NBA rather then respective sports... but those don't have competition, UFC does)
  11. rap34fan
    11. Posted by rap34fan Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    @ 4 and 6
    Totally agree
  12. Patrón
    12. Posted by Patrón Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    The rationale that "it could be worse" or "they still make good money" is besides the point. The fighters should be given a fair share of what they help build/promote. With Strikeforce and Affliction (assuming they don't fold) the fighters now have options. Competition is good for consumers, and in this case the fighters, business 101
  13. Patrón
    13. Posted by Patrón Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:24 pm EDT

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    Ok I get it. Apparently Yahoo, coverage, writers, bloggers and commenters is one big UFC gangbang. Time to leave, I'll go back to the other sites. Somehow this got turned into a socialist / capitalist type argument
  14. jped1968
    14. Posted by jped1968 Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    If a UFC fighter signs the contract, then I do not feel sorry for him at all...read the contract and know what it contains...if you don't like then don't sign it...
  15. Social Networking
    15. Posted by Social Networking Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Lots of UFC 100 blogging. I love it when UFC gets some social networking media love. I'm going to Vegas for this one.
  16. Rob R
    16. Posted by Rob R Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:59 pm EDT

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    Allen...You're completely misunderstanding me. I'm defending UFC's payscale. Read and actually digest my posts. Faber and Torres have nothing to complain about. Neither do the guys in the undercards of the UFC events. It's supply and demand. If they think they can make more elsewhere, they can try, but they'll fail...unless they want to burn bridges with UFC and get one big payday from Affliction before they go under.
    Patron...The fighters are given a fair share of what they build. The guys who draw the money get paid accordingly. You're completely ignoring that the people who bankrolled the whole thing were more essential to building and promoting it. They went $30MM in the hole and then put another $8MM at risk to do the first TUF series. Just like in any business, the INVESTORS deserve to reap the benefits of what they invest in. The fighters are employees. Skilled employees with publicity value, but still employees. If they think they can negotiate for more, they're free to try...but right now, they'll fail. Strikeforce can't afford to pay UFC money, and Affliction has to be a scary option for a fighter because who knows how long they'll last. Again...it's supply and demand. THAT'S Business 101.
  17. BF
    17. Posted by BF Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:44 pm EDT

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    WHITE IS STILL A D-B AND NUTSK ! Patrón...WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? ITS BEEN THAT WAY FROM THE START WITH Steve Cofield ! He cant get far enough up Dana nutsks Whits behind or get his lips removed from it .
    You did know in order for yahoo to make more money they (yahoo) made a deal with China on what can be on yahoo over there. Yahoo agreed to sensorship for MONEY to get into Chinas market.! YAAAAHOOO !
  18. Mark S
    18. Posted by Mark S Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:54 pm EDT

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    The pay thing is a toughie. Some of you are just looking at the pay for the fights. UFC has set up royalties for the fighters so every time Spike replays UFC xyz, they will get a check, like the cast of Friends gets for re-runs. They get money from the sales of the video game, toys, etc.
    Having said that, I do think salaries will continue to creep up (and should - the stars are the ones who drive the PPV numbers) as long as Zuffa can grow it. It won't get much larger in the US due to the violence - I can't believe there are too many people who enjoy fighting sports haven't discovered it yet. The key will be to continue to find new countries to sell it to.
  19. John J
    19. Posted by John J Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    The simple fact is without D.White and the Fertitta brothers there would be no live MMA available to any of us. Even if you hate Dana or the UFC, but like MMA (strikeforce, affliction, ect,) you have to appreciate or at minimum acknowledge what they have done for MMA in the states and now slowly other countries as well.
    I'll take Dana running the UFC (Obscenities and all) over any boxing promoter in a New York minute.
  20. BallsMickCarthy
    20. Posted by BallsMickCarthy Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:41 pm EDT

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    oh that's something Ferititta did he made the world go around. White is under that desk every morning with his bagel. 100k thats a buck a second if my puter is working right at the library.
  21. mike5o
    21. Posted by mike5o Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:03 am EDT

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    Does anyone here know who actually came up with the idea for TUF? I don't get out much, so maybe I missed that info. earlier? If people working at Wal-Mart need health care, they can develope a marketable skill set, and go find a job that provides health care. Someone will replace them when they depart. We can complain here all we want about fighter's salaries, the most important voice on this subject is that of the fighters. So long as they are signing the contracts, and the contracts are honored, it's all good. Good to see some people here with a logical thought process for a change. Speaking of health care, does anyone know how the fighters are covered for the fights? It would truly suck if they were paying out of their purse to cover fractures, ct scans, etc.

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