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Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:07 pm EDT

Shamrock-Shamrock a no-go?

By Dave Meltzer

Frank Shamrock's biggest fight promotional idea is a concept called "Blood Brothers," a match against adopted brother Ken Shamrock. 

The pairing has a unique storyline of two rival athletes brought up as brothers in a group home, with one (Ken) becoming a star in a sport and then training his brother (Frank) to follow. 

There were real-life issues of teacher vs. student, both becoming successes and later drifting apart as the family fell apart. 

Combined with both Shamrocks' legendary hype ability, it could have made probably the second biggest non-UFC fight (behind a potential Fedor Emelianenko vs. Couture match-up) from a business standpoint. 

But the financial backers for a proposed early 2009 fight have gotten very concerned in recent days after Ken lost on March 8 night to the unheralded Robert "Buzz" Berry in London.
 
Frank noted they would have paid Ken not to fight, but Ken was confident going in that he was at little risk in taking the fight.  In doing so, he has put the value of the much bigger fight at risk.  Frank feels the type of casual sports fan that would be intrigued by the "Blood Brothers" promotion due to the story isn't likely to have seen Ken's most recent fight.
 
Shamrock also talked with Tito Ortiz, whose UFC contract ends after his May 24 fight, about having a rematch in late 2009 as the ten year anniversary of their original match.

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  1. Steven W
    1. Posted by Steven W Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    I'm not really interested in seeing Ken get beat up by Frank, but I would love to see Frank vs. Tito in a long overdue rematch. Would be interesting to see how the fighters have changed in a decade.
  2. The Overlord
    2. Posted by The Overlord Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:06 pm EDT

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    I hate it when older fighters don't know when to retire. I really liked Ken 10 years ago, but now he just needs to teach. Still, watching brothers go at it would be a first!
  3. mathiasmorciglio
    3. Posted by mathiasmorciglio Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    i agree with #1 Ken and Frank while an interesting story would probably be a pretty one-sided match, ken just doesn't got it anymore, but Tito vs Frank, not that would be a fight worth watching, I always like to watch Tito get beat down.
  4. jimmyjackfunk21
    4. Posted by jimmyjackfunk21 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Ken really should have retired after his first fight with Tito. He showed his warrior's heart, gave an unforgettable performance, and "passed the torch." It would be interesting to see Ken and Frank go at it, but just from a 3-ring circus perspective; it would be no contest.
    Tito and Frank would be GREAT. That would definitely do the highest numbers a non-UFC fight would do, in my opinion.
  5. D C
    5. Posted by D C Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    agreed. ken is done. and i really think tito would thump frank even tho i dont like either one.
  6. sunshine
    6. Posted by sunshine Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:57 pm EDT

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    Ummmm....NO Tito would not thump Frank. Frank is a master on the ground and has evolved as a very dangerous striker. You want to see an intriguing fight Anderson Silva Vs. Frank Shamrock. In that fight Frank wins in the second round via submission.
  7. MMA GURU
    7. Posted by MMA GURU Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    #6 is right, depending if Frank breaks Cung Le I think Frank would snap something on Silva, but submission would come in the 3rd.
  8. MMA GURU
    8. Posted by MMA GURU Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    #6 is right, depending if Frank breaks Cung Le I think Frank would snap something on Silva, but submission would come in the 3rd.
  9. Shaqtastic
    9. Posted by Shaqtastic Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    #6 you are insane, frank is my idol, but he doesnt have what it takes to beat anderson, he is not used to fighting great fighters anymore. the only people who can give anderson a run for his money is lyoto machida if he could drop to 185 (probably can't) or GSP if he can gain some more muscle and fill out a 185 frame. but i would like to see a tito frank fight. tito is bigger so i might have to give him the edge in that fight.
  10. golfur5
    10. Posted by golfur5 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Ken must be completely broke to take either fight. Frank would whip him, but Tito could literally beat him retarded. Someone please tell Ken to give it up.
  11. Charles H
    11. Posted by Charles H Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    #6 and 7...you guys are out of your minds if you think frank can beat anderson. joke. anderson has proven what type of fighter he is by annihalating great fighters with ease...et.al. sakurai, franklin (2), and henderson. anderson is a beast...he does amazing things in the ring that fighters only dream about and try in sparring sessions...he is truly a martial ARTIST. GSP would be no match for him...his stature and limbs are too short...silva would pick him apart. Only challenge for him now would be at light heavyweight. A fight I'd like to see would be hendo vs. shamrock.
  12. Texasfun
    12. Posted by Texasfun Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:17 pm EDT

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    Would love to see Ken beat Tito but if it turns out like the last Shamrock fight on UFC I may never buy another fight again. Just like the Lesner fight Ken got robbed.
  13. Nikko C
    13. Posted by Nikko C Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:04 pm EDT

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    ken should retirE! he aint good anymore
  14. J.A.
    14. Posted by J.A. Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    Somewhat agree with #11.
    Frank would get destroyed by Silva. Even a prime Frank Shamrock would not make it out of the 1st round with Silva. Frank and Tito would be a good fight though.
    As far as GSP not being a match for Silva, I think that is slightly absurd. GSP is the only guy in the UFC that has a shot at beating Silva if either changes classes. It probably wont happen, and even if it does, it wont happen until 2010.
  15. amayseng
    15. Posted by amayseng Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:52 pm EDT

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    watching ken is just painful. dont want to see him get hurt, especially against his brother.
  16. mathiasmorciglio
    16. Posted by mathiasmorciglio Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:11 pm EDT

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    Frank Shamrock is no match for Anderson Silva, that dude is just too good. As far as GSP vs. the Spider, while I like GSP, he doesn't have the size, or the reach, or the chin. Let's face it if Matt Serra can knock GSP out even if it was a lucky punch (which i'm not 100% it was), then he wouldn't stand a chance against someone as accurate and powerful as Silva.
  17. steve m
    17. Posted by steve m Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 pm EDT

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    to everyone who thinks tito can beat frank, YOUR INSANE!!!!!!!!!! tito cant even beat rashad evens, he barely beat forrest and patrick cote. frank is a freak and would destroy tito.
  18. giuseppe franco
    18. Posted by giuseppe franco Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    i would never count shramrock out his training regimen is another level he could give silva a run for his money i dont care what u guys say
  19. Grant
    19. Posted by Grant Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:06 pm EDT

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    Geeesh, stop with these Ken Shamrock match up with anybody!!!! He's done and anyone who watches MMA knows this. Maybe he could fight Tank Abbott????
  20. MMA GURU
    20. Posted by MMA GURU Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Frank would break Anderson Silva in my book.
  21. clarenceworley
    21. Posted by clarenceworley Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:32 pm EDT

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    Ken would need to completely inhale the vial of Warrior Spirit he stole from Royce years ago. Steak and Chicken Baby!
  22. MMA GURU
    22. Posted by MMA GURU Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    #22 is right.I would much rather see frankie than lesnar in the ufc,but beating silva would be great for frankie.
  23. twodragunns
    23. Posted by twodragunns Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:25 pm EDT

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    For anybody that thinks that Frank Shamrock is over the hill and unable to give Anderson Silva a good fight "they don't really know much bout mma". Frank Shamrock not only would give Anderson all he could handle I think he has the ability to submit him as well as any other middleweight in mma. After he demolishes Cung Le I think we're all gonna get to see how well schooled Frank really is as Mr White who btw has been trying to sign Frank to a contract for many years will in fact succeed in his signing of Frank and then we can all enjoy this much talked about Shamrock & Silva match. We as fans deserve to see the best that mma has to offer and a Shamrock - Silva match is about the best middleweight match up out there at the present time.
  24. Steven W
    24. Posted by Steven W Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    there's a lot of talk about frank and anderson....i concur. best middleweight match would be frank shamrock vs. the spider. screw all the other so-called top middleweights. and i also agree that anderson is too much for gsp to handle. someone already said it, but gsp doesn't have a chin and if he is attacked by someone like anderson he would crumble.
  25. Steven W
    25. Posted by Steven W Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    and while we're talking about contenders to fight anderson, did everyone forget about b.j. penn? this is a guy who has publically stated he wants to hold belts in as many weight classes as possible. he once fought lyoto machida and lost at light-heavyweight i believe. b.j. has the skills to beat anderson, but he has a lot of other ground to conquer before he goes that route.

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