I hope he doesn't tick around. I want to see him compete with the other guys in DREAM. And when Dana and the Fertittas loose the money from WEC, then maybe they'll realize what they lost.

BCin LB....A lot of people do their jobs with heart. But they're paid based on simple principles of supply and demand.
If Faber wants to fight for a living, and he doesn't want to go to Japan, and nobody else wants to pay featherweights to fight, then he'll just have to accept what WEC gives him...or...figure out a way to make himself and the WEC brand more valuable.

...or...take a risk and puff up to lightweight and go get that UFC money. I have to think he'd have some difficulty in the UFC lightweight class though.

Urijah's ony loss other than the 2 to Mike Brown is to Tyson Griffin....who is maybe a top 5 lightweight in the UFC...but that may be a stretch...so I think Faber would have trouble at 155lbs...he's too small for the big LWs in the UFC....
Hopefully the WEC starts doing PPVs sooner than later so they can pay guys like Brown, Faber and Torres the $$$ they deserve....

Bye

Faber and Torres are underpaid, they are the face of the WEC. If they leave, they are taking the WEC viewers with them.
Another option is for Torress and/or Faber to go up in weight class.
Whatever the case, I don't see too many fighters in DREAM giving them problems, if they want to live in Japan, which I doubt. I don't see why Affliction or Strikeforce won't be interested in star attractions like them.
You guys who think that the UFC and WEC pays handsomely better think again. You only get teh six figures in the UFC if you are a top HW or LHW. Most of the fighters are paid below $10k per fight.
How many times a year do they fight? Twice, maybe three times? I can find a job making $30k and not have to get my teeth kicked in.
The UFC has turned from a tournament into a profit center. If you ain't Chuck Liddell or Brock Lesnar, don't ever expect to make those kind of dollars.
Or you can do what Anderson Silva wants to do, Box professionally on the side. Boxing is where the money is, not MMA.

If that were true Dubya, Silva wouldn't want to box professionally on the side, he would want to box professionally period.

They don't have to live in Japan to fight in DREAM, just make the flight a few days before their fight. I'm really hoping that Strikeforce can grow and show UFC/WEC how to pay their fighters fairly and properly. Does the WEC really need a PPV to make more money? It seems like it's doing well already with the numbers of viewers that they're getting on Versus that are surely only going to continue to grow, which is impressive for a sport event on an obscure basic cable channel.

Dubya B: Yeah....they're the face of WEC...but WEC doesn't make a whole lot of money. The gate was $800K for WEC 41, then throw in whatever merchandise and TV money they got. Then they had to pay 20 fighters plus fight night bonuses. They had to pay the commission's licensing fees. They had to pay the arena. They had to pay their staff...marketing...overhead...all kinds of things. There's just not that much money to throw around when that's all done. Not like in a UFC event where they gross close to $50MM for their bigger shows.
UFC doesn't pay great, but it's not awful. A low-end guy that fights three times a year will probably get something like $40,000-$50,000 provided he wins one or two of his fights, then he gets paid by his sponsors, then he has the opportunity to make fight night bonuses.
Face it...It was never a "tournament." It always was, and still is, a business.
If Faber and Torres want to leave, fine. WEC still has Aldo, Benavidez, Bowles, Brown...plenty of guys hungry to take their place. And if viewership falls off the map, Zuffa will just fold it...it's probably not all that profitable right now anyway.

Stevie Boy, Why not title the Article, "Money issues heating up with Faber and Dana White"?
This is just what Affliction or some other organizations needs!!! Let faber and Torres jump ship!! Would be a big mistake for UFC (WEC). I bet Dana Will have to go deeper into the Ferrita's pockets because he is primarily concerned with crushing the competition....although lowballing fighters is a close second!

pity the fool said,
"If that were true Dubya, Silva wouldn't want to box professionally on the side, he would want to box professionally period. "
No that is incorrect. Race car drivers like Earnhardt Jr. can make more money boxing, but he won't stop racing altogether just to make the money. MMA/Vale Tudo is Anderson Silva's core, boxing is like his Micahel Jordan to baseball. Jesus. Get real!

Rob R said,
"Dubya B: Yeah....they're the face of WEC...but WEC doesn't make a whole lot of money. The gate was $800K for WEC 41, then throw in whatever merchandise and TV money they got."
Do you know what the advertisers paid? The sponsors? No you don't. We are talking millions.
" Then they had to pay 20 fighters plus fight night bonuses. " which came up to what? $215k?
"They had to pay the commission's licensing fees."
So? That is the cost of doing business.
"They had to pay the arena. They had to pay their staff...marketing...overhead...all kinds of things. There's just not that much money to throw around when that's all done. Not like in a UFC event where they gross close to $50MM for their bigger shows."
Yawn. Again that is the cost of doing business. When has the UFC ever made $50 million for a show, even with PPV?
"UFC doesn't pay great, but it's not awful. A low-end guy that fights three times a year will probably get something like $40,000-$50,000 provided he wins one or two of his fights, then he gets paid by his sponsors, then he has the opportunity to make fight night bonuses."
No a low end guy makes around $1000-$5000, and if lucky will make bonuses. Who in the UFC fights three times a year? A manager at walmart makes more than most UFC fighters.
"Face it...It was never a "tournament." It always was, and still is, a business."
Yes it was a tournament, that is what it started out as. It was an elimination match of several groups of guys in one night.
"If Faber and Torres want to leave, fine. WEC still has Aldo, Benavidez, Bowles, Brown...plenty of guys hungry to take their place. And if viewership falls off the map, Zuffa will just fold it...it's probably not all that profitable right now anyway."
Except for Brown, those guys are all second tier. Brown still doesn't have half the following or charisma of Faber. Besides, you are assuming that those guys are happy with their $10k or $30k pay days.
You keep bringing up the organization's expenses, but forget to mention that for the fighters. They have to pay expenses for training equipment, coaches, training partners and for gyms. That could account for almost half of their $30k pay days.
Look at most of the fighters, they are living at home with their parents or living in trailer parks. Pulver owns a home in a lower middle income area and from his own words he implies that he is struggling. Faber has to make ends meet by being a wrestling coach at a gym.
Like I said, Walmart management makes more money per year than most WEC/UFC fighters make in one year.
Boxers, on the other hand, still make the big bucks. Mayweather, Roy Jones, Tyson, James Toney etc., even at their ages can bring in seven figures for one fight. In some fights they have earned up to $10-$30 million for a fight.

Any one know how the fighters are covered medically, for injuries sustained in the ring / octagon?

BYE BYE....Move on to dream fighting in the land of the rising sun is a perfect place better money more attention, (God knows he needs that) just perfect for a third placed fighter, Behind Brown and Aldo...

People always seem to forget the fact that Boxing has been around longer is the only reason why it is paying more. Do you honestly think Boxing got rich over night,if you do your crazy. Give UFC another 5 to 6 years,and I guarantee UFC will be paying just as much if not more money than boxing.

All this p!ssing and moaning about 10k. I'd fight anybody for 10k.

Nutcracker: Pavlik and Taylor, I believe, fought on PPV. I imagine the whole take from that event was MUCH higher than WEC 41.
Dubya B:
The TV advertisers paid Versus, not WEC...and probably not much for a show that probably didn't pull a 1.0 Nielsen rating. There is no way the sponsors paid into the millions...might have bumped the total gross up to $1MM, but not "the millions."
The 20 fighters plus fight night bonuses came up to a DISCLOSED $215K, but they get other bonuses on top of that. Don't be surprised if Faber and Brown got a percentage of the gate, though probably not a big one.
You say "Yawn, that is the cost of doing business." Well?! Don't they have to recoup that cost somehow? How do they make money other than holding events. The cost of doing business comes out of their gross revenues from their shows. The difference is that "overhead" type cost is relatively fixed, and it's a much bigger percentage of a WEC show's gross than it is a UFC show's gross.
Penn/GSP and Lesnar/Couture each sold more than 1 million PPVs just in North America. At $50-60 a pop, that's more than $50-60MM right there. Throw in gate, big-time sponsors, merchandise, the DVDs on the back end, and worldwide PPV, and I wouldn't be surprised if they gross close to $100MM from Penn/GSP. I can just about guarantee they gross $100MM from UFC 100. That's GROSS...not how much they MAKE.
If you want to make MMA your job, you find a way to fight three times a year. If you're not fighting three times a year, you have time to get a job outside of MMA. Again, the fighters are paid undisclosed money and sponsorship money. I imagine even the last guy on a UFC PPV undercard makes $10K. I believe many UFC fighters are under contract with their camps so that they don't have to pay them as long as they fight a certain number of times and help train other fighters.
If a Walmart manager makes more than a MMA fighter, then maybe the MMA fighters are in the wrong job. They do it because they love it. If I did what I love all day (you don't want to know what that is), I wouldn't get paid as much as they do.
The boxers you named are some of the biggest draws out there, even if they're not the best anymore. And they wouldn't get seven figures if their fight was on Versus on a Sunday night.
While the original format of the UFC shows was a tournament, it was still a BUSINESS...not a charity event or free exhibition. And if the UFC goes back to 8 man tournaments, guess what...That's 7 fights out of the card where 8, instead of 14, guys get to fight. That means 6 guys a month that would otherwise have a fight are doing nothing.
It's simple economics. If WEC could pay them more, or if they could actually threaten to go somewhere else to make more, they'd get paid more one way or the other. That hasn't happened. Supply and demand.

Also, Dubya...Urijah Faber and Miguel Torres didn't go millions of dollars into debt to build Zuffa into a profitable venture. They still get paid according to their contract even if the gate isn't what they expected. Zuffa/WEC shoulders all the risk when they put on these events...their costs are essentially the same no matter how many tickets they sell...the investors should reap the bounty when the event does exceptionally well. That's how business works.

pay torres. he's worth it. faber has earned it, but unless his next fight is a dominating win against a top tier opponent, he might not be worth it.

They better give him what he wants, Faber is their one and only superstar right now, even though he is without a belt, I believe its a matter of time before he gets that back, I love to watch him fight

It's a rock and a hard place. You leave WEC and no one pays as much. So the WEC loses some fan base but the fighter goes from 20 to 40K per fight plus bonuses to getting 4K with no bonus. WEC is not big enough to make real PPV money, if it was PPV then it's be as small as KOTC where you hear about it, but it does not sell enopugh to even base pay 20K. Fighting is hard work for a living and I hope the fighters the best, but leaving just kills the fighter salary

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Boxers, on the other hand, still make the big bucks. Mayweather, Roy Jones, Tyson, James Toney etc., even at their ages can bring in seven figures for one fight. In some fights they have earned up to $10-$30 million for a fight.
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in boxing the main event, usually the only fight shown makes 5 million, and every other fighter on the card barely break 3K. So by your want Faber and brown should get 200K and every other fighter should be lucky to make 1k?