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Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:15 am EST

Can the UFC possibly cut Neer?

The UFC set a precedent with its decision to not discipline Quinton Jackson after his driving rampage in July. Jackson served no penalty and wasn't fined, so what can the UFC do to Josh Neer after his world's wildest police chase act on New Year's Day? Neer isn't so confident that he'll be fighting on Feb. 7 at Ultimate Fight Night 17 on SpikeTV. The UFC lightweight sat down with KDSM television in Des Moines and was grilled by reporter Elias Johnson.

Johnson said once you're done with the UFC, you're done! Is that entirely true? How many fighters has the organization cut based on disciplinary issues? It is very likely that Neer could be axed if he's blown out by Mac Danzig and drops to 3-5 in the UFC.

Neer was charged with OWI (DUI). Is there a difference between Neer's state of mind and Jackson's diagnosed delirium? Or does star power enter into the mix when making a decision on Neer's future?

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  1. knuckle sandwich
    1. Posted by knuckle sandwich Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    "Jackson served no penalty and wasn't fined"
    you know what Cofield? Dana White also flew to Cali and bailed Quinton's a$$ out...so add that into the equation.
    that's one thing about the UFC that no one tries to hide. You make 'em money you get treated differently.
  2. KJ-MMA Armchair
    2. Posted by KJ-MMA Armchair Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    Jackson's lack of sleep and energy drinks doesn't make him an illegal driver. Neer's over the limit blood alcohol level does. The comparisson is apples and oranges.
  3. Farthammer
    3. Posted by Farthammer Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Jackson's wild police chase and clipping of civilian cars made him an illegal driver.
  4. Kegg L
    4. Posted by Kegg L Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    the UFC possibly cut Neer?
    DUH of course whats so rare about neer there are tons of up n coming studs who would flip him like the burgers they are now.
  5. mmafan
    5. Posted by mmafan Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:46 pm EDT

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    I don't think he should lose his job just because of a dui......i know a few people who made the mistake ,paid the price and continued to work. if everyone who ever got a dui lost thier jobs unemployment would be even worse than it is now. since it didn't happen on the job I don't see how that should effect his employment. his punishment should be handed down from the courts.....not his employer. If he was a truck driver....well....then yes......he'd lose his job since his license will be suspended. but he's a fighter and he should be allowed to fight.
    that said.....i don't condone neer's actions. he was totally in the wrong . he should have to pay.........but we don't need to throw the baby away with the bath water. he deserves a chance......just like we all would if we found ourselves in a similar spot.
  6. Pork S
    6. Posted by Pork S Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:55 pm EDT

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    The standards that apply to fighter A do not apply to fighter B. If that was true, Junie Browning would've been kicked off of TUF after his first incident. Other fighters that were kicked off the show did less than Junie but were kicked off.
  7. fightchica
    7. Posted by fightchica Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:53 pm EDT

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    I agree with Pork S. But what happens to him if he loses remains to be seen. He made a mistake true, was he representing UFC at that time of foolishness no he is just a fighter in the UFC so there is the fine line I think of being axed for his actions in the immediate. He remains a draw..... well money is always the bottom line
  8. Darkness!
    8. Posted by Darkness! Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    I don't know if I'd ay either of them deserve to lose their jobs with the UFC; but both Neer and Rampage deserve to be punished. Both Neer and Rampage knowingly abused their bodies... just in different ways. As a pro athlete- there is absolutely NO way Jackson could not know that SELF inflicted sleep deprivation and dehydration would have side effects; the same goes for ANY (not just a pro athlete) drunk driver- common sense tells u that there is great potential of danger involved with both of those choices. And both fighters knowingly and willingly made their respective choices to abuse their bodies, resulting in them putting their own, and several other innocent peoples' lives at risk. Therefore, they both deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for their inexcusable, and unbelievably STUPID, "I can do whatever I want just cuz I'm a pro athlete" attitude and actions. Rampage is a thug with money, and Neer is white trash; and they both deserve to be treated and punished as such... period.
  9. Steven W
    9. Posted by Steven W Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm EDT

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    i agree that neer, or any fighter should be punished by the courts...not by their employer, in this case the UFC. i think fight contracts are signed by #of fights as well as a time frame, if they are not able to fulfill either of those obligations due to their legal battles....then that becomes an issue with their employer and should be dealt with accordingly, but until that point.....what's the problem? it's not like UFC fighters have a great reputation amongst the types of people whose opinions are easily swayed by news articles, so not much will change in that dept.
  10. HD guy
    10. Posted by HD guy Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:45 pm EDT

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    I think the UFC has to garner some control over the talent that is contracted to them. The NFL, MLB, MLS, HNL, and even the NBA all have contracts that each athlete signs in regards to behavior in and out of the arena of sport. Why not the UFC? If they want to stop these guys from going Benoit on their spouses and out the the news for this kind of BS then they need to clearly define what is and is not acceptable behavior and have them sign a contract as a condition of employment. Contract violations can be enforced with fines, suspensions and termination. I have to act a certain way as a condition of my employment as a government worker, so why not these guys.
  11. kruser
    11. Posted by kruser Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:54 pm EDT

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    im tired of this story already.
    he knows what he did was wrong and im sure he really is sorry.
    punishment from jon law is enough.
    the man is only human.
  12. Wreckinball
    12. Posted by Wreckinball Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    Send a message. Off with his head.
  13. MJ touched hearts and kiddies private parts
    13. Posted by MJ touched hearts and kiddies private parts Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    Rampage brings in money to the UFC, hence his special treatment. Josh Neer is just a soldier ant in the organisation, and as such, will receive much different treatment to Rampage. It's not fair, but business is business and Neer will be gone.
    |'ve said it before, and I will say it again. It pays ( in more ways than one ), to be one of " Dana's Boys ".
  14. Ican2
    14. Posted by Ican2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    Linas k...
    It appears you are aware of mma news got your finger on the botton as they say...NOT....The lady lost the kid in a totally unrelated situation..better stick to earth shattering announcements from the Kimbo camp..Like I herd McDonalds are going to have Kimbo figures in their Happy meals....
  15. Shaun
    15. Posted by Shaun Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:44 pm EDT

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    Yes They could cut him..maybe because he doesn't have a big name like Rampage...
  16. Ron H
    16. Posted by Ron H Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:38 pm EDT

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    Shuck shares alot of my setiments. However, fighting in the UFC is a privelidge not a right. It's the same thing that Roger Goodell say's about the NFL players all the time. They set up rules to protect there organization. If I take what your saying 100% accurately than Dana White should just stay out of the personal lives of these fighters and only worry about them come fight time. If that happens, then what do you do when instead of just getting a DUI he robs a person at gun point? Should Dana let him fight until the ruling comes out? Hell no!! Dana would not let that fighter stay around, because if he did then he would be critisized for being to leniant. Not to mention the fact that it would probably cost the company a ton of money in the long run. I agree, your personal life should be protected from your job, but when you are doing certain jobs (i.e. pro athlete, celebrity, famous musician..) you accept the fact that other people's money is riding on you and when you screw up it will fall back on your profession.
  17. sam d
    17. Posted by sam d Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:23 pm EDT

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    you cant compare rampages incident to neers incident. neer was under the influence rampage just lost his mind. rampage's situation wasnt fueled by alcohol or drugs it was fueled by red bull and lack of sleep. and believe what you want passing a blood alcohol test and a drug test proves he just lost his mind due to lack of sleep. and i dare anyone who reads this stay up for 48 hours straight and video tape your actions you seem really messed up. personally after 24 hours without sleep i cant speak english haha. neer needs to be cut. he intentionally broke the law getting drunk or high is not acceptable for a professional athlete like neer. Rampage is still in the UFC because he didnt intentionally do anything wrong. i determine intention by what someone decides to do under sound judgement. Rampage's actions were done when he was not able to sleep..neer's decision to drink or do drugs the article doesnt specify was made when he was sober.believe what you want but neer needs to be cut he doesnt deserve an oppurtunity to fight mac danzig febuary 7..rampages star power didnt have anything to do with him not being cut. reneto sobral "babalu" was cut by the UFC for breaking a rule..babalu held a choke far passed the referees attempt to stop him and the ufc cut him for it.. if i remember correctly babalu fought twice for the light heavyweight title so the UFC had a lot invested in him..unlike babalu Rampage was saved because he didnt break a rule.if dana white thought rampage broke a rule rampage would have been kicked out of the ufc so fast the headline about the incident would say "former UFC fighter gets arrested for driving incident"
  18. Darkness!
    18. Posted by Darkness! Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    sam d-
    so Neer Intentionally getting behind the wheel knowing he was drunk is wrong (without question); but Rampage intentionally staying up for 48 hrs. straight (most likely partying- but that is only assumption) is NOT his fault? Does Rampage have a medically diagnosed sleep disorder?- not that I have heard of. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that. But even if he did, he'd be on some kind of med. for it; and if he knowingly refused to take that medication, resulting in his lack of sleep and "Rampage", he is still at fault and should be held accountable for his actions... period.
  19. Karl A
    19. Posted by Karl A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    Cut him for a DUI? That's a little extreme. Neer with a DUI, Rampage evading police & hit and run, Sherk on Roids, Leben just did a little time for (something I forget) in Oregon....sounds like typical pro-athlete crap to me.
  20. ryan w
    20. Posted by ryan w Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm EDT

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    i dont understand what the big deal about this is. if neer gets cut so what. maybe thats what sports stars need is a dose of real life. if your working somewhere and you make them this much income instead of the other guy who is making much less of course you get treated differently. as a business man if that isnt your main goal you need to re-evaluate your situation. being PROFITABLE is another way to say JOB SECURITY.
  21. HAHA
    21. Posted by HAHA Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    the deadhorse: "please stop beating me"
  22. philyslam
    22. Posted by philyslam Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 pm EDT

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    I don't think Neer should be cut but he should be suspended for a period of time. Rampage should have also been punished but not as bad as Neer. The thing I don't get is Dana White's comments on Rampage saying he did nothing wrong? Risking civilians lives in a high speed chase is doing something wrong. Rampage should have been suspended for his actions. As big as this sport is getting Dana White & the UFC better start setting some punishable actions for the fighters that screw up outside the octagon. Can you imagine if Tom Brady was fleeing from the police as Rampage did?
  23. Patrón
    23. Posted by Patrón Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:01 pm EDT

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    If we don't hold the NFL to these standards why should we hold the UFC? Penalize him, but you can't ban him based on this. (on his ability maybe)
  24. Darkness!
    24. Posted by Darkness! Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    phillyslam-
    totally agree; however, not sure the Tom Brady/Rampage comparison is quite right. Last I knew- Tom Brady doesn't have a mile-long arrest record. Prob. Rampage/Pacman Jones, Rampage/Ron Artest, etc... that seems more accurate. U can take the boy out of the hood; but u can't take the hood out of the man. And before ignorant people try to twist my perception into a racial thing- same goes for Neer: u can take the boy out of the trailer park, but u can't take the trailer park out of the boy. Both of these guys are full grown men, and professional athletes who live their lives in the public eye; thus should have the integrity to hold themselves to a higher standard, with or without it being a clause in their contract. Both men committed Stupid illegal acts, and should be suspended (without pay) by the ufc until after their legal issues are handled. They should also both be punished to the full extent of the law- make examples out of both of them. Then, after they serve their time, probation, whatever- give them their jobs back, forgive and forget. But u can not allow an athlete to do, say, or act however he pleases- especially if he knowingly and willingly puts his own and other peoples' lives in danger in the process- without consequence. I cannot believe that people would actually argue about this. If a drunk driver, or self sleep deprived idiot, killed ur mother, father, gf/wife, child, etc. because of their ignorance of getting behind the wheel of a vehicle that they knew they were in no condition to be driving: would u want them to get off scott free, just cuz he fights for the ufc?
  25. Darkness!
    25. Posted by Darkness! Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    phillyslam-
    totally agree; however, not sure the Tom Brady/Rampage comparison is quite right. Last I knew- Tom Brady doesn't have a mile-long arrest record. Prob. Rampage/Pacman Jones, Rampage/Ron Artest, etc... that seems more accurate. U can take the boy out of the hood; but u can't take the hood out of the man. And before ignorant people try to twist my perception into a racial thing- same goes for Neer: u can take the boy out of the trailer park, but u can't take the trailer park out of the boy. Both of these guys are full grown men, and professional athletes who live their lives in the public eye; thus should have the integrity to hold themselves to a higher standard, with or without it being a clause in their contract. Both men committed Stupid illegal acts, and should be suspended (without pay) by the ufc until after their legal issues are handled. They should also both be punished to the full extent of the law- make examples out of both of them. Then, after they serve their time, probation, whatever- give them their jobs back, forgive and forget. But u can not allow an athlete to do, say, or act however he pleases- especially if he knowingly and willingly puts his own and other peoples' lives in danger in the process- without consequence. I cannot believe that people would actually argue about this. If a drunk driver, or self sleep deprived idiot, killed ur mother, father, gf/wife, child, etc. because of their ignorance of getting behind the wheel of a vehicle that they knew they were in no condition to be driving: would u want them to get off scott free, just cuz he fights for the ufc?

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