The Giants need to continue their youth movement... not add on a washed up has been. Let other teams overbid for Furcal and Renteria. Sign someone 28yrs old or younger to ensure the future.

I woould take Furcal over Renteria, or better yet go for Orlamdo Hudson , he has a much better bat and is a better defensive player

go for Hudson, lets get younger

The Giants don't need a middle infielder, especially one past his prime, like Renteria or Furcal, or one who is injury prone, like Hudson or again Furcal. Spend the money on a corner infielder who can be counted on for 30 home runs AND a high on base percentage. If nobody fits this year, be patient and save the money for next year. These rumored signings just don't make any sense and they sound a whole lot like the Giants past pattern of desparately trying to plug holes with whatever was available.

Think about it..Omar will not be back next season. So we have Fransen at 3rd Burriss at 2nd and Sandavol at 1st. Who plays SS?? If the Giants get a veteran IF it will do a couple of things. Consume salary cap space and provide the Giants a veteran IF that knows how to play the position and bat. Just think if Renteria can hit at least .300. Who in the line up hit .300 last year consistently besides Winn? I prefer Renteria over Furcal. Furcal is a Dodger..boo!!

If this year's team continues to do bad because of the free-agent signings, Sabean has to go! He's like the Matt Milen of baseball. He was once a great GM but since the success of been to the world series, his ego has gotten to him. The fall of the Giants started when they went all out the following year trading prospects for Ponson, and then like the fire that burned them, decided to go cheap the following year when they were so-close to making the playoffs. And then decided the following year, ok, we're not going to go cheap, we do want to make the playoffs, to then sign Barry Zito. All stupid moves. I have to agree, if they sign another has-been veteran or even land CC Sabathia, upper management better fire Sabean. What is the deal with this guy? Going only after pitching or veterans, or injury prone players. He might have gotten lucky early on as a GM with veteran player moves, but luck will eventually catch up!

Get Real....No bat wants to come to this park (period)...lets get the best dam pitching staff that can be bought. make the playoffs from this weak division and go THE FREAK,C.C.,CAIN pray for rain (snow)

kt_sketch,
I agree with signing an older indielder when they have some younger kids, but completely disagree about CC. Signing CC gives them a lot of trade options. With him, they don't have to be afraid of trading one of their pitchers, and not having a known quality starter to replace them. Sanchez, Lowry, and Cain can all be traded after that IMO. The CC signing wouldn't be something to stop at, it would allow them to do things they wouldn't even consider.
As for Renteria, he is too old. Furcal is the better choice in my opinion. Though why they keep going after the wrong position is beyond me. And don't give up on Sabean yet. Let's see what happens this year. He made some excellent moves throughout the years, and just recently made a couple bad ones. He wasn't put in a great position with having Bonds on the team, and trying to get him a ring. I think we need to look at the whole picture of what he had to deal with. As for Zito, I think he will turn the corner. May not be as good as he once was, but I see him having a better record than last year, which I think was not a good indicator of how he pitched.

Like R.A.G. said, no big bat wants to come play in ATT. It is a pitchers park plan and simple. Bring in a big bat, and watch their numbers drop. We don't need someone who can hit homeruns. We need guys who can hit for average, and speed. It is the only way the Giants are going to win games, is playing little ball. Get some pitchers in the bullpen, hope Wilson can add another pitch, and compete easily in the Division.

That the Giants have made an offer to Renteria is the worst news from the front office in a long time. Hudson, if possible! Otherwise, Burriss and some combination of Frandsen, Aurilia, and Velez. Yes, a corner infielder who can hit--really well, not just okay--is a great idea. But the only free agent who fits that description is Teixeira. Signing him should be the Giants' highest priority. If they can't, try hard for Hudson. If both those fail, see if someone good can be picked up in a trade for some combination of Winn, Molina, or Lowry. If that fails, go with Sandoval and the best of Bowker, Gillaspie, or one of their other young players. (Whatever happened to Ortmeier, by the way?). Picking up another decent relief pitcher and otherwise standing pat is not a great outcome at this point, but neither is it a disaster.

furcal is injury proned and is probably going to stay with the dodgers anyway!!! the giants need to sign hudson and sabathia also!!! sabathia grew up a giants fan and lived in vallejo, ca so i almost gaurantee he will be a sf giant

33 Years old and lost a step, this is the youth movement? We could get these numbers out of Rich Aurilla.

i don't get all this talk about burris being so good???? i just don't see it. I've seen him make some huge errore last year and the kid has no power and another thing, frandsen can't hit if his life depended on it. Come on people didn't you watch any giants games last year!!!???? hudson and renteria would be way better then haveing burris and frandson!!!!

In case you were wondering,
Aurilla: Games 140 At Bats 407 Average .277 Home Runs 10 RBIs 52
Renteria: Games 138 At Bats 503 Average .270 Home Runs 10 RBIs 55
and Aurilla would work for a lot less money, money that could be used to goi after Texeria

Renteria no longer has range at SS and at best will hit as well as Randy Winn. Whatever runs he adds with a few more hits will probably be offset by balls finding their way through the infield and allowing more baserunners. Don't underestimate the impact of good defense! While Furcal is a better defender he is also injury prone (a back problem given his twisting swing is not a good sign). Both guys are too old! The Giants need to cultivate young talent. Even if they could somehow make the playoffs this year by signing Renteria they would have not shot at a World Series ring. I will be disappointed if we spend money on either of these guys.
C.C. might make sense in that it opens up the possibility of trading pitching for hitting. But can the Giants afford to pay the hitter they get if they have two $100 million dollar contracts out to pitchers plus Lincecum's inevitable payday? Zito's contract handicaps the team for years to come. Not to mention that C.C. has thrown over 500 inning the last two years (including playoffs) which is a red flag when considering such a big contract.

Probably not the real answer, but entertain me...
Sign CC. Package Cain and Zito (to off-set each other's contracts and performance value) with Molina, for Fielder and Hardy. With Zito and Molina's contract off the books, sign Lowe, Burrell and a quality reliever.
And now... your "Highly Unlikely" 2009 San Francisco Giants:
Starting Lineup
1. Randy Winn - RF
2. J.J. Hardy -SS
3. Prince Fielder -1B (.444, 2 HR, 7 RBI, .724 SLG, 1.204 OPS in 27 AB at AT&T Park)
4. Pat Burrell - LF (.312, 5 HR, 18 RBI, .538 SLG, 1.010 OPS in 93 AB at AT&T)
5. Aaron Rowand - CF
6. Pablo Sandoval - C
7. Emmanuel Burriss - 2B
8. Kevin Fransden - 3B
Rotation
1. Tim Lincecum
2. C.C. Sabathia
3. Derek Lowe (4-1, 2.02, 1.07 WHIP, .232 BAA lifetime at AT&T)
4. Noah Lowry
5. Jonathan Sanchez (with potentail "passing of the torch" to Bumgarner or Alderson
Off the bench
Fred Lewis - OF
Nate Shierholtz - OF
Dave Roberts - OF (I have a feeling that his contract will be a hard one to deal)
Eugenio Velez - INF
Ivan Ochoa - INF
Travis Ishikawa - 1B
Steve Holm - C
Now that I've had my little daydream, please feel free to chew it to bits!
Oh, yeah. Average age when 2009 season opens: Lineup 24 years-old, Rotation 28.

you cant package zito he have a no trade clause in his contract

yeah... forgot about that no-trade clause... the balloon has officially busted

Even so, how exactly does this trade make any sense:
Zito, Cain and Molina....for....Fielder and Hardy? That trade makes SO little sense and the Brewers could get a much better return for Fielder ALONE. The contracts the Brewers would be taken on would way offset the contracts they'd be letting go. Sorry, I know it is a day-dream moment, but you cant throw out a deal like that and expect it to be taken even remotely serious.

Don't forget Renteria was batting in the AL against pretty tough teams.. His average is bound to go up just by coming back to the national league. I like the idea of Lewis, Renteria and Hudson batting before Rowand Molina and Sandoval.. Would also like to see Hardy/Fielder packaged for Cain and Sanchez/Lowry if we can land CC

Renteria sucks, I hopw Giants don't get him.

I'm just wondering if these clubs that bid 100 million plus realize they aren' t going to have many fans able to attend these games to see these over paid primadonnas play if the economy doesn't change .

T G,
I don't like the Giants going after these older veterans who are prone with injuries. My main beef with Sabean is that he does not address the holes and weakness directly. He seems to like to stock pile on positions that we don't need and using it as pawning chips. The only thing is, it hasn't work these last couple of years. I want Sabean to attack our weakness directly instead of beating around the bush. I like CC Sabathia, but like all expert opinions said, he was over-used last season as a rental player. I would highly doubt he will have the same success this season as he did after the trading deadline. Nor do I think he will be able to pitch that same number of innings before being injured. It really does not make any sense to invest so much money in one guy and not addressing their weakness directly. They need to go after Texiera, or other big bats like Manny. That makes more sense to invest money on a guy who will be playing almost every day. We need offense!!!
If we did go after anyone that was mentioned before, I wouldn't mind them going after Orlando Hudson. Someone young and not already peaked and going down hill. If they do get these veterans, I would rather they get a discount because I don't think they're worth face value. We've been through that period where we went after old used goods before. We need some fresh, young talent.

T G,
I don't like the Giants going after these older veterans who are prone with injuries. My main beef with Sabean is that he does not address the holes and weakness directly. He seems to like to stock pile on positions that we don't need and using it as pawning chips. The only thing is, it hasn't work these last couple of years. I want Sabean to attack our weakness directly instead of beating around the bush. I like CC Sabathia, but like all expert opinions said, he was over-used last season as a rental player. I would highly doubt he will have the same success this season as he did after the trading deadline. Nor do I think he will be able to pitch that same number of innings before being injured. It really does not make any sense to invest so much money in one guy and not addressing their weakness directly. They need to go after Texiera, or other big bats like Manny. That makes more sense to invest money on a guy who will be playing almost every day. We need offense!!!
If we did go after anyone that was mentioned before, I wouldn't mind them going after Orlando Hudson. Someone young and not already peaked and going down hill. If they do get these veterans, I would rather they get a discount because I don't think they're worth face value. We've been through that period where we went after old used goods before. We need some fresh, young talent.