Is roy really worth all that?

Thanks for your input, Cracka. I know you didn't want to type a lot for one of two reasons, either to be "first," or because you're switching over your entire wardrobe to Yankees apparel from Phillies apparel. Which was it?

So I guess they arent after a bat.

I hope the Yankees nab Halliday. He's a good starter and if Chein Main Wang gets back in shape and they sign Pettite back they'll have quite a good rotation.

Im an A's fan jacka$$...so dont ever question my loyalty to teams that arent winning...dont be bitter just because the Sox are a joke franchise

the yankees have nothing to give in a trade, and neither do the Red Sox. The Angels have a deep farm system and have so much talent waiting to play in the Majors. I think they will make some pretty good trades. And yes, Halladay is worth it. He's been consistent and goes deep in the game like no other pitcher.

So switching over your wardrobe to the Yankees from the A's? I'm questioning your loyalty to teams right now. And right now. And now. And now. An A's fan calling the Sox franchise a joke. Ironic?

This Yankee fan would be happy to just see Halladay out of the AL East.

This Yankee fan would be happy to just see Halladay out of the AL East.

nando, last I saw, the Red Sox farm had a higher rating than the Angels.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3848691
and
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/83381-baseball-prospects-ranking-al-farm-systems-1-14
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Both are from earlier this year, as publications only rank farm systems once each year. The Yankees and Red Sox both probably have deeper farm systems than the Angels.

Nando are you an idiot or do you just like to spout bullcrap. The Yankees had the player of the year in triple A with Austin Jackson and have one of the top rated minor leaguer's catchers not to mention Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy to dangle if they so choose. That's one of the reason's the Yankees will always be a winner. All you have to do is check out the roster from the world series and you will see that it was loaded with home grown talent.

Cracka... explaination why the red sox are a joke franchise when you are a fan of the athletics?

i would only make the deal if the red sox include clay buchholz, jacoby ellsbury/casey kotchman, daniel bard, michael bowden, and casey kelly (whoever he is) for halladay.
buchholz is overhyped. he is already 25. (linecum is a 2 time cy young winner at 25.) i don't think he could ever be an ace for a contender. he is probably a #2 or #3 at best and a bust at worse.
ellsbury is a centerfielder who can hit for average and swipe the bag. it gives the jays insurance in case all the prospects flame out.
bard will probably be a closer one day or at least a dominant setup man. how long he can keep that velocity remain to be seen.
bowden is no longer an elite prospect. his upside is probably an end of rotation filler or a long reliever.
kelly is raw and could very well be a bust, but since he is a top prospect, might as well roll the dice.

we have to keep in mind that roy halladay is best pitcher in the game of baseball not named johan santana.
you could even argue he is even better than santana given that santana was in AL central and is now in the offensive weak. there is no way linecum will have the same success he is having in the NL west if he is in the AL east. halladay is also just as durable as cc sabathia, has better stuff than cc, and his 2.79 era this season and sub 3.00 era in the past few years in the potent AL east means that he is probably the most valuable player in baseball.
look at josh beckett, john smoltz, brad penny, etc, they were dominant in the NL and became afterthoughts after coming to the AL east.
a combination of top prospects and 1 or 2 panned out regulars as insurance (in case all the prospects flop) are needed to swing a deal.

@ john: Im not really sold on Austin Jackson. he will be 23 by the time spring training starts. while he is good defensively at centerfield, his offense hasn't catch up. im not even sure if he will be an upgrade over melky cabrera/brett gardner. if he doesn't suddenly become an impact player in the upcoming season, he would be considered a bust.
the minor league catcher you are talking about is still at single-a or something. no one knows how well he will adapt to triple-a much less the big league. he could be a bust like jarrod saltalamacchia for all we know.
kennedy already lost his appeal as a prospect. he seems like a fringe major leaguer and journeyman in the making instead of a top of the rotation starter. the guy is almost as old as tim linecum.
chamberlain and hughes are both failed starters and successful setup men to mariano rivera. i highly doubt either of them will be anchoring the yankees (or another team's) rotation anytime soon. too bad the yankees only need one closer when rivera retires. they should trade one of them, but then dominant setup men are not that hard to find.
cashman effed it up when he could've had santana for melky cabrera and hughes. santana is way better than sabathia ever will be.
sabathia is a workhorse who gives the team a chance to win while santana is the closest thing to pedro martinez in his prime (whether linecum can keep this up remain to be seen.)

Those are some good thoughts dagoldeneagle.
It looks like the Red Sox, who have a need for more offense than they do pitching, like Adrian Gonzales and would likely need even more talent (if they are thinking about two trades) to reel him in. I had read an article that the Red Sox could potentially move Papelbon before he becomes afree agent. Since you have to give up talent to get talent, I wouldn't be surprised if they send Papelbon (IF they think Bard can be the 8th inning man, with Billy Wagner closing for the next year or two) in a package for either Gonzalez or Halladay. It would take a lot more than that to get Halladay however.
Honestly, when you look at Beckett, Lester, Dice K, Bucholtz, and Wakefield, that rotation is pretty darn solid. How many rotations can boast of a guy who has the potential to win 15 games in the number five hole like Wakefield can? To boot, they all can potenially win about 15 games each! Why add an arm like Hallady for $20 million a year when offense is more of a need with Ortiz and Lowell in decline and under control for only one more year? They'll need the moolah for their left field situation plus Gonzalez, if they get him.

Don't overestimate the value of a top-rated prospect. Most turn out to be disappointments.
For example, what do Rick Ankiel, Bruce Chen, Matt White, Paul Wison, Amando Benitez, James Baldwin, and Brien Taylor all have in common? They were all, at one time, the top-rated minor league pitching prospect in baseball.

Yankess cant get Roy because they cant buy him and other teams are their farm club so a trade wont happen

I agree with #19 Deniz. As cool as it would be to have Roy in the Sox Rotation, our top priority is offense. The Sox need to plug in that LF hole, and possibly get another middle of the order bat.

The Jays would be absolute idiots to trade Halladay to the Yankees or Red Sox!

dagoldeneagle--------------Ajax will be 23...wow he's crazy old. Give me a break. He's a Denard Span (25)/McCutchen (24) type of OFer. He still has pretty good upside and the power might come. If you think Brett Gardner is an everyday player you crazy. I'll take my chances with Hughes and Chamberlain thanks very much...these guys are YOUNG. "Dominant setup men are not hard to find"...hahahahahahahahaha, you are kidding right? Ask the Phillies if one is hard to find. How could Cashman have effed up not trading for Santana? The Yankees WON A RING with Sabathia. CC has been a beast the last 3 seasons...get a clue dude. The one's who should be pissed are the Twins cause the got rolled in that trade. They would love to have Melky and Hughes right now.
PS: Halladay will not be on the Bosox or Yankee next year.

The Sox offseason will be a busy one for sure. Not only do they need another starting pitcher, they have offensive concerns, and need to field both the shortstop and rightfield positions as well.

if the Blue Jays deal Holiday to the Red Sox I will have to reconsider my allegiance to the team.
he Jays are reminding more and more of the Expo's, growers of great talent, only to be plucked by other MLB teams.

I believe Wells is part of any Halladay deal. If the Red Sox lose Bay, Wells, with a healthy wrist, will provide needed outfield help and add a bat. They'll have to give up a hoard of prospects and be willing to put out some serious dough.