Beltran Tells Mets Fans to “Move On” from 2006 NLCS: Fan Reaction

What, exactly, is bullshit?

Bullsh*t! Beltran is nothing but a coward. This writer is a joke.

>>>"Edward, is it me or do you have a thing for Beltran."

It's you. It's absolutely you.

>>>"Either you are a teenager or you are simply a fan of his..."

And don't forget that I hate America. You left that out.

"...but you cannot possibly say he is the best CF the Mets ever had."

I just did.

"He missed over 200 games,, ..."

He played quite a few also.

..............the Yankee's look good this year.

Don't care so much that he struck out but the fact that he didn't even take a hack at it. That is what bothers me. When was playing baseball in high school I refused to strike out looking. When it came down to it and I had two strikes you take a cut at anything close. Protect that plate or you strike out looking.

I always blamed Aaron Heilman in that game for giving up the tie breaking two-run home run to Yadier Molina. He had only hit 4 home runs all season! I never liked that guy and I was so glad when the Mets dumped him.

Edward, is it me or do you have a thing for Beltran. Either you are a teenager or you are simply a fan of his, but you cannot possibly say he is the best CF the Mets ever had. He missed over 200 games, having never crashed into the fence, run out an infield grounder, a made a horizontal diving catch. For God's sake, Endy Chavez played better and harder. Beltran has talent, there is no doubt, but given the rapid rate of which his body is deteriorating, it's not far fetched to suspect PEDs. Still, even if it IS God given and non-enhanced, he doesn't play hard, never did, and he's been known to play a deep outfield. I won't deny it, I think he is not only a PED user, I think he's classless and gutless. Personally, I feel sorry for him despite his wealth. If you look back at the greatest catches in Mets history, Beltran isn't even in the TOP 10....

Now 1 last time, this is about Beltran as a Met, not a Royal or an Astro....as a Met for $219mil. Prior to signing with the Mets, Beltran averaged 141 games a season. With the Mets he averaged 123....and after all the money was in his pocket, Beltran refused to visit our War Veterans......he was to busy with his own agenda. Guess he couldn't find 2 hours for our Heros.........and you keep on worshiping the guy as if he's Joe D or Willie Mays.

If Buckner with his injured ankles , standing way back almost on the outfield grass, fields it and beats the fatsest player in mlb at the time and gets him out, they continue playing nimrod, because the game was already tied at that point. Sick of this idioctic notion that the mets wouldnt have won if not for that play. They win one @#$% ws in 40 years and people cant even give them the credit for what a great team they were

I was having such a good day, why'd ya have-ta mention, "Aaron Heilman!" Now I'm goin' drive home angry; and maybe kill some innocent bystanders. And... in my opinion, never hire a cross-town rival ex-player to be your team's manager, i.e. Willie "Chill" Randolph and Bryan "Trots not Torts" Trottier. And... every bubblegum card pack I bought (or stole) as a kid, always had a Don "LOL" Hahn card in it. I got all 150 of them up for bid on eBay but nobody's buying. :(

The writer should get the facts straight: It was an 0-2 pitch that Beltran looked at. He watched the first one. I believe it was a fastball. He whiffed on the second pitch, which I believe was a breaking ball. By the time the third pitch came, Wainwright was in total control and just killed Beltran. His mistake, in my opinion, was not taking a call strike three; it was taking strike one -- the only hittable pitch he saw in that AB. Be that as it may, Wagner and Heilman both gave up 9th inning runs in tie games, so there's plenty of blame to go around. Oddly, Oliver Perez gets none of it!

"Personally I remember him as not only the guy who didn't get his bat off his shoulders with the game on the line in 2006, but also as a guy who never ran hard to first base, collected a big paycheck and then ripped the fans on his way out of town."

Can you cite these jogs to first or those ripping statements he made when he was traded?

"Only a true Mets fan still feels the pain of that 3-2 breaker, and how Beltran was a bust from the get go."

True Met fan here. He was the best centerfielder the team ever had.

Only a true Mets fan still feels the pain of that 3-2 breaker, and how Beltran was a bust from the get go.

Geez, what a bunch of idiots. That curve from Wainwright was one hellacious pitch. Tip your cap and move on. I blame the 06 loss on Aaron Heilman - not Beltran. The collapses in 07 and 08 had nothing to do with Beltran - it was that Met relief pitchers were dropping like flies ie Billy Wagner. Geez get your facts straight.

Personally I remember him as not only the guy who didn't get his bat off his shoulders with the game on the line in 2006, but also as a guy who never ran hard to first base, collected a big paycheck and then ripped the fans on his way out of town.

Beltran was an outstanding player. He had a fine career with the Mets, but the memory many fans have will always be his called third strike.

P.S. I am not the Edward from earlier blogs.

Edward, with all due respect, and trust me after reading your post there's very little, the article is about Met's fans holding a grudge towards Beltran for his lack of performance in the clutch, examples of which include BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO the called strike 3 in the NLCS of 2006, there are also the meltdowns of 2007 and 2008. As for the comments of Vincent A, Beltran's knees are in fact arthritic and he did freeze on a 3-2 pitch in his ONLY post season series as a Met. Granted the comment, "your ability to hit home runs in bunches when it really doesn't matter" is debatable, he really didn't perform well in the clutch. Furthermore, it was YOU who decided to use his career post season numbers to dispute the typical Met fan's opinion, including VincentA's, of Beltran's performance while with the Mets.

TO INCLUDE STATS FROM HIS POST SEASON WITH HOUSTON IS ABSURD BECAUSE THE ARTICLE AND THE COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS AND BASED AROUND HIS TIME WITH THE METS. Now get off your soap box and go learn how to talk apples when people are TALKING ABOUT APPLES. What's your next move? Are you going to include Jason Bay's numbers with Boston when evaluating his performance with the Mets?

Bottomline is crystal clear, Beltran is a CANCER. A selfish, self-centered, egotistical, soft-hearted, gutless wuss. He even refused to visit wounded war veterans, not that you'd consider that a character flaw. Anyone who knows baseball would take Victorino, Kemp, Hamilton, and half dozen others over Beltran. Hell even the Yankees didn't think he was worth the money he was demanding..........AND THEY OVER PAID EVERY ONE OF THEIR FREE AGENTS FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS.

>>> "This comment is directed to Edward.....or maybe it's really Eduardo..."

So, let me get this straight. You're being racist? Somehow accusing me of stating plain facts with a racial self-interest? Really? Or maybe you're just dangling race bait?

>>>"those number may be accurate..."

They are accurate. There's no "may be" about it.

>>>"... if you include Beltran's "miraculous" post season with the Houston Astros."

That post-season wasn't miraculous. It actually happened, performed by real people using their real bodies.

>>>"If you remove those stats..."

And why should I do that? The man wrote that Beltran was "always choking in the big spots where the most was on the line." He couldn't possibly be more wrong.

>>>"...from his post season totals you'll have an entirely different story."

Yes, we all look worse if you remove the best data.

>>>"Allow me to enlighten you...."

You're being a smug racist now?

>>>"Beltran's numbers individually

OPG - Houston .531 / Mets .433 result Houston enjoyed 25% MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided
SLG - Houston 1.024 / Mets .444 result Houston enjoyed 250% MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided
OPS - Houston 1.156 / Mets .888 result Houston enjoyed 36 % MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided

Based on these FACTS the Mets received considerably less production across the board,"

Which, of course, isn't the issue. I was speaking to. We're talking about whether or not Beltran was "always choking in the big spots where the most was on the line."

I don't know what an "OPG" is. If you're discussing OBP, the idea that a post-season on-base percentage of .433 is bad is risible, as is the notion that a post-season OPS of .888 is bad.

>>>"and the slugging percentage isn't even CLOSE and they paid him100Xs more salary......."

Hundreds? Why not millions, if you're going to make up numbers? Why not zillions?

He played for Houston for about half a year before his free agency eligibility, so to compare his salary there to his 6 2/3 seasons in New York is absurd. But during the time with the Mets, he made about 22 or 23 times what he made during his 90 games in Houston.

Come on. Don't be like this. Don't be that guy. The sports world has enough hate-mongering racists. The world does. Try something else. It'll be great.

This comment is directed to Edward.....or maybe it's really Eduardo....those number may be accurate if you include Beltran's "miraculous" post season with the Houston Astros. If you remove those stats from his post season totals you'll have an entirely different story.

Allow me to enlighten you....

Beltran's numbers individually

OPG - Houston .531 / Mets .433 result Houston enjoyed 25% MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided
SLG - Houston 1.024 / Mets .444 result Houston enjoyed 250% MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided
OPS - Houston 1.156 / Mets .888 result Houston enjoyed 36 % MORE production/not on the top 10 list you provided

Based on these FACTS the Mets received considerably less production across the board, and the slugging percentage isn't even CLOSE and they paid him100Xs more salary.......

ADIOS Carlos............don't let the door knob hit ya where the good Lord split ya

Beltran was the best centerfielder the Mets ever had, a hard worker, and a gentleman throughout his career.

"If I want to hate you because of your arthritic knees, your ability to hit home runs in bunches when it really doesn't matter, and your penchant to freeze on 3-2 breaking pitches with the playoffs on the line, you know what? I will."

Yes, but sadly, you have the facts wrong.

All-Time On-Base Percentage Leaders, Post-Season
1. Bobby Brown .500 (46 PA)
2. Jose Offerman .491 (53 PA)
3. Willie Aikens .490 (49 PA)
4. Ichiro Suzuki .488 (43 PA)
5. Hank Thompson .486 (37 PA)
6. Carlos Beltran .485 (101 PA)
7. Lou Gehrig .477 (150 PA)
T8. Babe Ruth .467 (167 PA)
T8. Pepper Martin .467 (60 PA)
10. Billy Hatcher .466 (61 PA)

All-Time Slugging Percentage Leaders, Post-Season
1. Carlos Beltran .817 (101 PA)
2. David Freese .794 (71 PA)
3. Carlos Delgado .757 (43 PA)
4. Troy Glaus .756 (88 PA)
5. Babe Ruth .744 (167 PA)
6. Juan Gonzalez .742 (66 PA)
7. Lou Gehrig .731 (150 PA)
8. Willie Aikens .725 (49 PA)
9. Chris Young .721 (53 PA)
10. Hank Aaron .710 (74 PA)

All-Time OPS Leaders, Post-Season
1. Carlos Beltran 1.302 (101 PA)
2. David Freese 1.258 (71 PA)
3. Willie Aikens 1.215 (49 PA)
4. Babe Ruth 1.211 (167 PA)
5. Lou Gehrig 1.208 (150 PA)
6. Bobby Brown 1.207 (46 PA)
7. Carlos Delgado 1.199 (43 PA)
8. Chris Young 1.174 (53 PA)
9. Troy Glaus 1.154 (88 PA)
10. Sean Casey 1.131 (41 PA)

Adam Martini, just so you know, if Buckner beat Mook to the bag in '86, the game was already tied. Do your research and you won't come off looking like a dweeb!

Carlos Beltran got paid to play like a superstar for the Mets, and he failed. The Giants acquired him in a trade (giving up a top pitching prospect) to help the offense and over take Arizona, and he failed. Don't expect much Cardinal fans.

Hey Beltran! If I want to hate you for always thinking of yourself first and always choking in the big spots where the most was on the line, I will! You're a bum, you've always been a bum and you'll always be a bum! BTW, you went to the Giants and dragged them down as well; wait till you do that in St. Louis-they'll chase you right out of town-good riddance!

You make millions of dollars, Beltran. If I want to hate you because of your arthritic knees, your ability to hit home runs in bunches when it really doesn't matter, and your penchant to freeze on 3-2 breaking pitches with the playoffs on the line, you know what? I will.