World Series hasn’t been played in sun in 25 years

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DETROIT (AP)—Bud Selig wants a throwback game in the World Series—one in daylight.

The sun hasn’t shone on baseball’s biggest stage since 1984, when Detroit beat the San Diego Padres in Game 5 at Tiger Stadium to win the World Series. There was a single day game three years later, but it was played indoors at Minnesota’s Metrodome.

Ever since, the game’s signature matchup has been played under the lights, with some flickers of twilight helping illuminate the first inning of West Coast games.

Baseball’s commissioner acknowledged he might not get the change he’s hoping for.

“I want a day game in the World Series,” Selig said in a telephone interview this week with The Associated Press. “It’s been a favorite subject of mine over the years because I grew up watching the World Series during the afternoon in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s.

“But our objective is the have as many viewers as possible.”

The New York Yankees and Philadelphia Phillies will open the Series on Wednesday night at 7:57 p.m. EDT—about 30 minutes earlier than usual—and will end each game when most children, at least those living on the East Coast, are sleeping.

Rather than catering to kids, Major League Baseball and Fox are shooting for the highest ratings they can get to help sell the commercials that pay the bills.

“World Series games, for more than 20 years, have been played at a time when the greatest number of fans can watch from coast to coast,” Fox Sports president Ed Goren said in a statement. “This year, we worked with MLB to move postseason start times 30 to 40 minutes earlier, and we would be very willing to consider televising World Series games played during the day if the fee to acquire those rights reflected the smaller audiences that day games would naturally produce.”

When Goren’s comments were relayed, Selig wouldn’t close the door on lowering rights.

“I am sensitive to the issue because I love baseball games during the day,” he said. “I’m willing to continue to discuss it with Fox.

“We’re starting earlier this year—7:57—and that’s quite early if you’re not in the East. The fact is, though, the networks have a lot of commitments on the weekends with football and day games ratings are never as good as they are at night when more people can watch TV.”

Both parties got more incentive to keep the games at night when the Yankees played the Los Angeles Angels in the AL championship series. The five prime-time games had an average rating of 6.9 while the one day game drew a 4.8—a 44 percent decrease—according to Fox.

The last Series, though, seemed to give MLB and Fox a reason to pause and evaluate how late to make the first pitch this year.

Philadelphia and Tampa Bay—with scheduled starts from 8:29 to 8:35 p.m. and 3-plus hours games—drew a Series record-low 8.4 rating that was 17 percent less than the 10.1 average Detroit and St. Louis had three years ago.

Game 1 this year will have the earliest first pitch since Game 6 between Florida and Yankees in 2003, which began at the same time, and the earliest first start for a regularly scheduled weekday matchup since 1971, when Baltimore and Pittsburgh played Game 5 during the day.

Coincidentally, the 1971 Series also featured the first night game.

“Charlie Finley made the suggestion to play the games at night,” famed broadcaster Ernie Harwell told the AP last month. “Then, TV took over and decided when the games would be played—at night.”

Sparky Anderson, who led the Tigers to the title in 1984, said it’s a shame the Series is played so late.

“It’s all about money,” Anderson said. “Period.”

Alan Trammell, the World Series MVP that season 25 years ago, fondly recalls watching baseball’s best in the late 1960s during the day as a kid.

“I started getting the gleam in my eye; the dream started,” Trammell said. “I was fortunate that my teachers were sports fans. They used to bring a TV in the back of the room and I used to be the one who could go back and get updates on the games to give the class a report.

“Day baseball is a thing of the past. I wish they would bring it back.”


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Updated Oct 27, 2:28 pm EDT
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    AndrewS Sun Jan 17, 2010 09:24 pm PST Report Abuse
    TV execs need the idea pitched (no pun intended) the right way. Yes, total ratings will be down; but there will be an increased viewership among spoiled children who tell their parents what to buy and don't know the value of a dollar.
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    Bob Wed Oct 28, 2009 05:50 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Late autumn and late nights lead to a greater chance of bad weather, uncomfortable conditions and that scenario adversely affecting play; weather that baseball was not meant to be played in. In MLB's hunt for the quick buck, the impact and "buzz" of the Series is also greatly diminished. What was once a unique national event with widespead appeal is now a Made For TV commercial. It's not just kids who miss out. Anybody who works has trouble staying up to see most of the games. With satellite radio and the internet, people can tuned in during the day and most adults and kids get to see the best part of the game (the finish) live. As it stands now, too many people can only see the first few innings. It shows just how great the game is that no matter how much MLB tries, they can't kill it.
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    doc Wed Oct 28, 2009 09:33 am PDT Report Abuse
    #50 You are so right. Bud you are the commissoner make the call. If you want it during the day do for it. There is too much money going out there any way. During the regular season games are played during the day so why not the World Series? Weather at night in November in northeast is cold so why play every game at night?
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    Mike R Wed Oct 28, 2009 09:19 am PDT Report Abuse
    I was ten when I saw my first world series game on TV ... Dodgers-Twins in '65. I was hooked. In '68 I snuck my transistor radio to school just to hear Gibson K 17 Tigers. Point is, I could see and hear the series because they WERE day games. At night, it was homework, shower and bed by 9 PM. I have loved baseball ever since, and I wonder where the game will be in twenty years if today's kids aren't allowed to develop the love for the game we did back then. I'll be old and so will you. What sport will they follow?

    As to making $$$, CBS doesn't seem to have trouble interupting programming and selling ad time all day long for US Open tennis, etc.

    Finally, if people at work can't watch the game live, the same TiVo that let's them FF through commercials will let them watch the game later .... and I guarantee REAL fans will know the score, real-time regardless of where they are.
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    MichaelF Wed Oct 28, 2009 08:49 am PDT Report Abuse
    If you have day games, people will complain that they can't watch because they are at work. If you have night games the kids can't watch. At least an 8pm start allows fans from the east to watch it entirely and still get enough sleep for work the next day and fans from the west to at least be getting done work in time to watch. while its easy to argue a traditional 7pm start with 2 east coast teams in it...the goal is to shcedule the games so the MOST people can watch (which of course has to do with money).

    As much as i'd prefer better start times, its hard to argue against a system designed to make it so the most possible people can watch coast to coast
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    Nico Wed Oct 28, 2009 08:33 am PDT Report Abuse
    Wow. The most stupid and childish rant I have ever read...

    "Doing this for the sake of kids is stupid. First of all the only people that are going to watch the World Series are those that are fans of the teams that are playing in it. For fans of teams like the Pirates, Indians, Royals, A's, Twins and the other 25+ teams that stand close to zero chance of winning a World Series due to the way MLB allows teams to spend whatever they want (low or high), if they're team was so lucky that the Yankees or Red Sox or Dodgers have an off year, those fans will stay up to whenever to watch the Series"
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    dean Wed Oct 28, 2009 08:31 am PDT Report Abuse
    i say start the games at 5:30 kids can watch a good portion of the game if not the whole game alot of people are home from there jobs the game would end before 9:00 and all the east coast people could watch more post game coverage
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    john Wed Oct 28, 2009 08:19 am PDT Report Abuse
    Baseball only has to tell Fox this is the schedule, series starts on saturdays, series will have 3 day games, and the series will always end in October. If Fox does not like it somebody else will.
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    Jake Wed Oct 28, 2009 07:45 am PDT Report Abuse
    Games are at night so they can have as many viewers as possible? The two teams this year are in the eastern time zone with an 8:00ish start time. If they last as long as an average game (which they usually don't) that means a finish of between 11:30 and midnight or beyond. Bring back the afternoon world series. If people want to watch it they'll find a way. Besides, the World Series is has extended two months into the football season. Bring back the 154 (or less) game schedule.
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    dj ominous Wed Oct 28, 2009 07:17 am PDT Report Abuse
    first off why do we allow a team owner to be the commish any how, seriously he cares about money and lives in the past , we need a indy commish some one with no ties to any team , we need some that cares about the game itself, and yahoo needs to fire the guy who does the times for there web site, they had monday night football listed at 7:30 and game 1 set for noon for the longest time , yahoo has screwed the pooch so many times in game time area its not funny,. and btw yankees fans why the personal attacks to the posters is that the best u have i got attacked for pointing out game 4 would be a dangerous place for NY fans due to the fact tailgating between the eagles giants game and game 4 would end up being a bad thing , never attacked anyone personally and got called white trash , you new york liberals are so PC
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    Final Justice Wed Oct 28, 2009 06:56 am PDT Report Abuse
    When will the fans get smart enough to organize. Like say, maybe boycott opening day. When that works boycott the first weekend game. Then boycot for a whole week. When the owners and players and dear Mr Selig see how well that works maybe they will come to their senses. Probably not, we the fans seem content on creating millionaires out of people who could not otherwise hold a steady job or perfect any skills. When was the last time you saw any modern day Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, Babe Ruth, Wilie Mays, Hank Aaron, Bob Feller, Satchell Paige etc. When was the last time you saw a pitcher who could not care less about pitch count and did not need a middle reliever and closer to make them look good. When was the last time you saw a .400 hitter. Its developed into a sad, sad example of what used to be America's National Pastime!
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    Final Justice Wed Oct 28, 2009 06:43 am PDT Report Abuse
    I doubt Selig can find his way to get out from under his rock early in the day. He is laughing all the way to the bank. Figure out how much he makes a day on his big bucks salary. He really does not care about the fans, the clubs, the owners etc. When public opinion forces him out he will be laughing all the way to the bank because the remaining suckers who still choose to follow baseball have made him a very rich man and he will be set for the rest of his life and we helped him accomplish it. You want to affect baseball real fast, start by telling advertisers you are going to boycott them and then do it. Trouble is we are not smart enough to follow thru so what else do we expect.
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    irishbuckeye Wed Oct 28, 2009 06:41 am PDT Report Abuse
    bud, bud ,bud, this guy is totally clueless! this will be the first time ive ever agreed with anything TRICKY DICK, has ever said!! ( not you the real one) enough said
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    irishbuckeye Wed Oct 28, 2009 06:37 am PDT Report Abuse
    37. Posted by Peter Joachim Tue Oct 27 9:25pm

    this dumbazz has been on every thread posting this @#$% ! who cares , you know larrusa stupid ,hes bringing in a 260 hitter to teach the best hitter in baseball now thats funny!!!
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    richard nixon Wed Oct 28, 2009 05:48 am PDT Report Abuse
    hey, bud, you're the commissioner of major league baseball, you tell tv what time the game starts and they can interrupt their game shows or soap operas or reality crap or talk shows and start broadcasting whenever they're ready. that might also alleviate the 39 degree night game problem if perhaps they played during the day in sun, assuming you want to keep playing professional baseball through the first week of november. i'm a baseball fan, but please, end the season already, we're buying halloween candy and shopping for turkeys. speaking of turkeys, bud...
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    Wed Oct 28, 2009 05:27 am PDT Report Abuse
    Doing this for the sake of kids is stupid. First of all the only people that are going to watch the World Series are those that are fans of the teams that are playing in it. For fans of teams like the Pirates, Indians, Royals, A's, Twins and the other 25+ teams that stand close to zero chance of winning a World Series due to the way MLB allows teams to spend whatever they want (low or high), if they're team was so lucky that the Yankees or Red Sox or Dodgers have an off year, those fans will stay up to whenever to watch the Series.
    Not being a fan of either the Red Sox or Yankees and thus not realizing what it's like to have my team buy, I'm sorry, I meant win themselves into the World Series, I can't really say if I'd like a change of pace once in a while and see a World Series game during the day. I guess if my team purchased themselves a spot in this series every couple of years I too might want to change things up a little.
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    Wed Oct 28, 2009 05:20 am PDT Report Abuse
    "Rather than catering to kids, Major League Baseball and Fox are shooting for the highest ratings they can get to help sell the commercials that pay the bills."
    Note to Larry Lage, writer of this article - please do not make any of this sound like they need this to "pay the bills" - this sentence should have been, "Rather than catering to kids, Major League Baseball and Fox are shooting for the highest ratings they can get to help sell the commercials that makes them the most profits."
    The most profits is all that professional sports in the United States are about. The NBA started that back in Jordan's day and continues it today, the NFL is taking away games from local fans and sending them overseas and baseball allowing the Yankees and teams like the Royals to compete the same league is all you need to know that this has nothing to do with "paying the bills". It is all about the owners and players maknig as much money as possible, maybe possibly to pay the bills from a fifth house they just bought......
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    Trey Wed Oct 28, 2009 04:45 am PDT Report Abuse
    Peter J., nice to see I compelled you to add my name to your dumb spam :)
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    kevin t Wed Oct 28, 2009 04:26 am PDT Report Abuse
    I would like the world series to end in October, the season is too long, I don't think games played during the day works. The world series is better in prime time
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    the big stogazz Wed Oct 28, 2009 04:21 am PDT Report Abuse
    Selig is the worlds worst. its a toss up landis or selig that will go down as the worst comm. they pay him 15 million a year for what!!! he is robbing his pay without a mask.
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    HAWK Wed Oct 28, 2009 04:01 am PDT Report Abuse
    Who cares professional sports just sucks anymore. its all about the $$$$ and the fans are the one that has to pay the price of tickets for the big $$$$. its pretty sad when the economy the shape its it and yet the professional players salaries just keep climbing.i've always been told when you deal with millionairs, you deal with crooks in all statutes. fans gripe about the money they make and yet they will still fill the seats.. i just dont get it. only way i go to games if tickets are free and i've had many of those, cause i damn sure wont pay for it. y'all have a nice day
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    Jack Wed Oct 28, 2009 01:25 am PDT Report Abuse
    Peter J, I have been seeing the same thing on all your blogs. Say something new or get out. You said like the Rain man! ya ya def, def definently K-Mart sucks ya ya def, def, definently!!!
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    Paul Tue Oct 27, 2009 09:26 pm PDT Report Abuse
    I work. I like everybody else in philly missed 3 of the four games between the phillies and rockies because they started in the early afternoon. or ended at 2am
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    Dave Tue Oct 27, 2009 08:14 pm PDT Report Abuse
    @#27 - Peter J.

    Got any proof? If not, please remember that, even if you are blogging, slander and libel rules still apply. See you in court!

    Albert Pujols

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