Selig: Some clubs lost money

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CHICAGO (AP)—Some teams lost money in 2009, baseball commissioner Bud Selig said Thursday after the final owners meeting of the year.

“There was no question about that,” Selig said. “I don’t think the concerns have been ameliorated at all. I think the concerns are still there because all these people have their own economists.”

Selig said final figures for this year are still being calculated and everyone is living in the most difficult economic times since the Great Depression. He declined to identify the teams.

“I think of all the heartache that’s in the world,” Selig said. “We live in this environment. We don’t live in a bubble. And so, I think the clubs in some areas have been hit a lot harder than others.”

Major League Baseball’s average attendance dropped 6.7 percent last season from an average of 32,528 in 2008 to an average of 30,350. Total attendance of 73.4 million was baseball’s fifth-highest.

“Given the economy, the fact that we drew 73.5 million people is a testament to this sport’s popularity and everything that has been done is remarkable,” Selig said.

With the free-agent market set to open Friday, teams and agents are uncertain whether the economy will impact salaries.

“Revenues as a whole were flat at best and I think there’s still a lot of people, and obviously we’re still focused on our fans, that are still struggling,” Angels owner Arturo Moreno said.

Moreno has two players who became free agents after helping the Angels win the AL West: right-hander John Lackey(notes) and third baseman Chone Figgins(notes). The Angels have already kept Bobby Abreu(notes), agreeing to a $19 million, two-year contract.

Re-signing both Lackey and Figgins could be difficult.

“I think there’s going to be X amount of players that are going to probably get great contracts and I think there’s a lot of players that I think it’s going to happen like last year, where there are going to be good players available towards the end,” Moreno said.

Selig said there was no discussion at the meeting of increasing the use of video review by umpires, a subject that has been debated following several missed calls during the postseason.

Owners also heard reports and welcomed new Chicago Cubs owner Tom Ricketts.

“It was very interesting. Once again, just learning,” Ricketts said after emerging from the meeting.

The Cubs, who drew over 3 million fans again last season, had the third-highest payroll at the beginning of last season behind the New York Yankees and Mets.

“I’m not going to make any predictions on the economy. I think we did OK as a team,” Ricketts said.

Texas Rangers owner Tom Hicks is putting together a group of local investors, including Hall of Fame quarterback Roger Staubach, for a bid that would enable him to keep majority ownership of the team.

Several other groups have been identified as potential bidders.

“I don’t know what’s going on,” Selig said. “The bids are due tomorrow and I’ll be anxious then to see them.”

Selig didn’t say much about the St. Louis Cardinals’ decision to hire Mark McGwire as their hitting coach.

“Let’s see how it all plays out. I’ve talk to Tony La Russa a lot about it and I’ve talked to Bill DeWitt about it,” he said, referring to the Cardinals manager and owner.

McGwire, who hit 70 homers in 1998 and retired in 2001 with 583 for his career, became notorious when he refused to discuss the past when testifying at a 2005 congressional hearing about steroids.

Owners also heard reports on the annual civil rights game, the World Cup, legislative affairs, baseball’s Internet division, the first-year MLB Network and the amateur draft.

Updated Nov 19, 3:43 pm EST
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  1. <i>leaselee</i>
    234. Posted by leaselee Tue Nov 24 1:01am EST

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    Major League Teams probably have more sets of "books" than Hollywood studios due when tax time rolls around.
    Let Selig NAME the teams, and let's see WHY said teams are losing money.
    Until then, it's all disingenuous bull juice.
  2. Howard M
    233. Posted by Howard M Mon Nov 23 8:40pm EST

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    Mark mcguire are you kidding?
  3. TJ
    232. Posted by TJ Mon Nov 23 6:47pm EST

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    You'd think that with the economy REALLY being in recession....with millions out of work and others hanging on....you'd think that agents of athletes would see that and talk about maybe cutting down in their demands on player salaries. I mean something that wouldnt hurt the players or the agents. Why should a top flight pitcher be upset at only getting 4-5 million a year instead of 10-15? Seriously...explain to me what happens to the families of the players and agents if one player gets "only" 5 million instead of 10 million A YEAR? Do the families have to go on welfare? Do the kids have to work to go to college? Will someone have to stop trading in for a new car every year? Owners, if that occurred, can you (with the savings)... hire more help at the stadiums. Can you lower ticket prices. I'm not against players getting paid and owners making a profit, but the AMOUNT is the deal. One of the problems with all this is the lack of "hometown players". Does anyone REALLY think that anyone other than Jeter and Posada are considered "true yankees"? In Boston you have Big Poppy, in Atlanta you have Bobby Cox and up till last year John Smoltz. You think A-Rod has a "following" other than his family? you think people followed him from Seattle to Texas to Los Angeles, and now NY?
  4. Brewer
    231. Posted by Brewer Mon Nov 23 5:16pm EST

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    Some teams lost money?? No!! selig seems suprised about that. I don't. Baseball players make too much. note to Selig try to do something about a salary-cap. Something. Anything. I don't care if you do something else and call it a salray-cap just do something about these players making 20-30mil a year thats ridiculous.
  5. <i>bendgod</i>
    230. Posted by bendgod Mon Nov 23 3:18pm EST

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    I think the Dodgers realize they lost two years in a row to Philly. But that is two eyars in a row to the championship series with a young team. Most of this team is coming from our own farm and we have some great young talent now in MLB, with reserves growing better in the minors. Great bullpen. Great young bats. Just need the starting pitches to either stay healthy (Shmidt -3 seasons now w/ shoulder), ala etc. Or bring in an Ace. Were 10th in payroll last year so it's not like we have spent much money, and surely couldn't be accused of trying to buy the title. Just need a few guys to go 6 or seven innings on a consistant basis. And Manny might be toast without the roids so maybe it's time to send Pierre to center and try to find a team that is willing to take that last year of his contract for some pitching or a quality utility player doesn't have Lorretta as his last name. Manny could sale tickets for some teams (Nats with Strassburg now, for one) Actually think pitching will make the difference and would rather see the Dodgers win with players they start the year with, rather than go out late and then bring in game changing players. Going to be great next year and that's about where baseball will be for me...next year. I'm done with baseball and done posting about it. Have a happy and safe holiday season everyone and God Bless!
  6. James
    229. Posted by James Mon Nov 23 3:16pm EST

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    Please note , there a several "creative" ways that a team can show "losing", without actually losing money. For example, baseball players wages are "depreciated" (written off) over a period of time. But you can "excelerate" the method , or use one of several methods. Buy excelerating the depreciation, you can show a greated amount of expense or loss, then you really have. So you can turn a profitable club into a losing club, file your tax return showing this and not pay a cent of taxes, and show the players' union that you lost money. A "creative" tax person is worth his weight in "gold" to the baseball teams. Trust me, I know.
  7. <i>pet3r11</i>
    228. Posted by pet3r11 Mon Nov 23 3:13pm EST

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    They aren't going to lower prices just to do it, they'll only do that when they have to. I mean honestly, GM and Ford lost money in 2007, did their cars get cheaper in 2008? No.

    Really?
  8. Phil M
    227. Posted by Phil M Mon Nov 23 2:54pm EST

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    What you guys don't realize (bearheart) is that if the players weren't making 20,000,000 the owners would pocket the rest anyways.

    They aren't going to lower prices just to do it, they'll only do that when they have to. I mean honestly, GM and Ford lost money in 2007, did their cars get cheaper in 2008? No.

    Most companies are cutting wages and salaries, are prices going down for new goods? No.

    They'll exact what they can get.
  9. prizby
    226. Posted by prizby Mon Nov 23 2:51pm EST

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    you know MLB is losing money and teams are losing money, but paying Bud...Bud is making $18 million a year plus all his expenses paid for...i would gladly take 1/72 of what he makes and do probably 90% of as good of a job as him...tell me what is more economical!
  10. pat
    225. Posted by pat Mon Nov 23 2:35pm EST

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    Bud, wake up. this sport needs to control cost and make the playng field even. how can any small market team compete with the big boys on payroll. football, basketball, and hockey make sure all teams have the same amount to work with. what they do with it is another story. it suxs living in a small market where you don't have any chance. nobody should make $20,000,000.00 to play a game. what are the yankees afraid if they only could spend so much that they wouldn't win. as soon as the yankees and red sox made the playoffs again, it was no more baseball watching for me. i'm sure alot of people feel this way. wake up bud for the good of the game, not the good of the rich. this game is as bad as some of the corruption in this countries goverment.
  11. Stefano M Flocchini /VBL PRES
    224. Posted by Stefano M Flocchini /VBL PRES Mon Nov 23 1:02pm EST

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    Clubs lost Money. but MLB still drew 73.4 Million. Please .No Body Lost @#$%. They Made so much money in the last 10 years . even if they really did loose any thing . they still are ahead. You Just have more teams not spending ,so they can claim ,,SMALL MARKETS Quota and ask Uncle George and the other top slary teams for a handout .
  12. Stefano M Flocchini /VBL PRES
    223. Posted by Stefano M Flocchini /VBL PRES Mon Nov 23 1:01pm EST

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    Clubs lost Money. but MLB still drew 73.4 Million. Please .No Body Lost @#$%. They Made so much money in the last 10 years . even if they really did loose any thing . they still are ahead. You Just have more teams not spending ,so they can claim ,,SMALL MARKETS Quota and ask Uncle George and the other top slary teams for a handout .
  13. DICK S
    221. Posted by DICK S Mon Nov 23 6:18am EST

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    When are the Dodgers going to realize that they lost to Philadelphia last year for the National League
    Championship? All of their articles read, what a great season our team had. THEY LOST. After the 1st 6 weeks of the season, when the Dodgers got the jump on the Western Division of the National League, playing the West 28 of the 1st 35 games, and teams like San Francisco, and Colorado, were no where what they looked like at the end of the season. THEY LOST. Colorado, although losing 14 of 19 games to the Dodgers last season, still had a better Won & Lost Record than the Dodgers did after June 1st.. THEY LOST. Oh what a great season, Kemp & Eithier had. THEY LOST.
    I am sick & tired of the hype, the Dodgers put out, especially in the Radio Announcer's booth, with
    Rick Monday & Charlie Steiner. NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN, about a team they would like to see come back without any changes, THEY STILL LOST. They blamed the split-up of the
    McCourts, as a distraction, and as usual other poor excuses for losing. FACE THE FACTS DODGERS, YOU STILL LOST.
  14. <i>leaselee</i>
    220. Posted by leaselee Mon Nov 23 1:27am EST

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    Jamiec #199
    I found it interesting how Selig never, to my knowledge, named the franchises that are "losing" money.
    Great post, and very informative.
    Amazingly, it DIDN'T contain any "idiots" "morons" "losers" "jerks" "pinheads", and unbelievably "intelligent" misspellings of profanity to "sneak" them by the program.

    An intelligent post---I may need to lay down
  15. Sean L
    219. Posted by Sean L Sun Nov 22 10:00pm EST

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    e by your measure the Yankees should have won every year.
    But that's not the case.
    Stop being sour grapes, haters. It's pathetic how you guys try to rationalize a loss.
  16. e
    218. Posted by e Sun Nov 22 9:31pm EST

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    The playoffs will be remembered for the disgrace that was the umpires. Sure they blew call after call after call but as long as predetermined Yaankees won and drew the ratings for Fox, big deal. So what if it was a joke. So what as long as the Yankees win, lets keep the incompetance alive. Why try and get the calls right?
  17. <i>bendgod</i>
    217. Posted by bendgod Sun Nov 22 8:44pm EST

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    It's all good. surprised people are still talking about baseball. The Raiders won today.....finally.....after pulling Labustus Russell out of the lineup. Farve and the vikings looked great and both the Colts and Saints are undefeated at 10-0. Best be going now, lots to do you know. God Bless You all on this wonderfull Sunday. Peace!
  18. Sean L
    216. Posted by Sean L Sun Nov 22 8:02pm EST

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    If the Yankees bought the title, then it should've been a Subway Series, Mets being #32 and all...
    and the Roid sux and Cubs would've been competitive.

    Haters, your math is bad and you should feel bad.
  19. Sean L
    215. Posted by Sean L Sun Nov 22 7:53pm EST

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    Sell off the Mets (set like a deck of cards), Cubs (mediocre), and Red Sox ($13M for a .238 DH?)
    $.4B for a combined 0.508 winning percentage.
    0-3 in the playoffs (Red Sox thoroughly pwned by a team with a lower payroll)

    Sometimes, money can't buy squat.
  20. JaimeC
    214. Posted by JaimeC Sun Nov 22 6:18pm EST

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    Post 209 Daniel N,

    Oops, you're right... almost. Wikipedia has Santa Clara County as #10 wealthiest nationally, population over 250K. San Francisco is... not listed.

    In California, Santa Clara County ranks second (Median Household Income), San Francisco only tenth. Refer to Wikipedia, California locations by per capita income, then press the "Median Household income" title to order the counties by that value.

    About the cities, sorry, you're not right. As of the 2006 (from memory), San Jose had the highest median household income among cities over 250K, the same survey placed San Francisco as only #6. I tried to check that with Wikipedia, but they only have per capita numbers for cities (but median household numbers for the counties, which is strange). You can look for the reference in the San Jose Wikipedia entry under Demographics, which they list as of 2007.

    Keep in mind that San Francisco has only about 800K people, vs 1 million+ (as of August 2009) in San Jose and 1.8 million in Santa Clara County. Even if median incomes were the same (which they aren't), that's still MORE THAN TWICE the purchasing power.

    If you check the projected growth numbers of San Jose and San Francisco made by the state Franchise Tax Board, they will show relatively high growth in both San Jose, and Santa Clara County, whereas San Francisco is essentially no growth. It is a demographic certainty that San Jose alone will be more than twice as large as San Francisco, with Santa Clara County more than 3x. I believe that projection was within the next 20 years, but obviously, the time frame will vary.

    The point was, and remains, the Giants made a tremendous business mistake in choosing the smaller, poorer city in the smaller, poorer county with the smaller slower growth rate when they chose to stay in San Francisco. And they are losing money because of it. And they keep losing money because of it.

    San Francisco was a great city... in 1950.

    In Northern California, San Jose is the city, and Santa Clara the county, of the future.
  21. <i>cole2rocks</i>
    213. Posted by cole2rocks Sun Nov 22 5:54pm EST

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    JaimeC---Please don't use words I have to look up!! What is "delightful"?? Ha!!! Peace.
  22. JaimeC
    212. Posted by JaimeC Sun Nov 22 5:17pm EST

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    #201 - Thanks for your delightful erudition.
  23. <i>cole2rocks</i>
    211. Posted by cole2rocks Sun Nov 22 4:20pm EST

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    Kingpaddy---WE know that but there are still some very unfortunate people that don't. Their anger and jealousy cloud their perspective. It's sad, really. Yankee fans have more of a let-down when we lose and way more fun when we win. But, we're ALWAYS here. Damn that bluebird!!! Ha!! Peace.
  24. kingpaddy
    210. Posted by kingpaddy Sun Nov 22 4:17pm EST

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    cole2rocks,
    If payroll = World Series the Yankees would have 40. It takes a little magic. Team chemistry. When a team has it they are very tough to beat. They like Swisher around. Sometimes that is all it takes is one guy. The Dodgers Traded La Duca thinking late in the season this disruptive factor would ruin their team, I don't know about that but they the team took a nosedive it took three seasons to overcome. La Duca is roudy, but I remember those great Oakland teams with Catfish Hunter. Man those guys had fist fights in the dugout, often! That was their chemistry and man did they win.

    May the blue bird of happiness crap on someone else
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