Ortiz says union told him of 2003 positive test

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NEW YORK (AP)—David Ortiz(notes) spent the afternoon answering questions about drugs, not his big home run.

Manny Ramirez(notes) brushed off news that linked him to more cheating.

One by one, some of baseball’s biggest stars keep getting implicated in an ever-growing drug scandal that won’t go away. Ortiz became the latest, acknowledging Thursday that the players’ union confirmed he tested positive in 2003.

Shortly after hitting the go-ahead homer in Boston’s 8-5 victory over Oakland, Ortiz responded to a story on The New York Times’ Web site that he and Ramirez tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs six years ago when they were teammates with the Red Sox.

“I’ve just been told that the report is true,” Ortiz said in a statement after contacting the union. “Based on the way I lived my life I’m surprised to learn I tested positive.”

The popular Big Papi, who had never been linked to drugs, said he intended to find out what was in his system and would tell the Red Sox and the public.

“You know me—I will not hide and I will not make excuses,” he said.

Alex Rodriguez(notes), Barry Bonds(notes), Roger Clemens(notes) and Sammy Sosa(notes) are among the many All-Stars tainted by the cloud of steroids and drugs, which has called into question some of the sport’s greatest achievements over the last two decades.

Ortiz and Ramirez led the Red Sox to the World Series title in 2004—their first in 86 years—and another championship in 2007.

Ramirez, now with the Los Angeles Dodgers, recently served a 50-game suspension for violating baseball’s drug policy. Asked about this second alleged doping violation, he told reporters in St. Louis: “You want more information, I’m pretty sure you guys got the phone number to the union. Call the union, and they can explain that to you guys.”

“Me and David, we’re like two mountains,” he said. “We’re going to keep playing the game, and we’re going to keep doing good. We’re trying to move forward; that’s the key here.”

Ramirez went 0 for 5 with a strikeout as Los Angeles beat the Cardinals 5-3 in 10 innings Thursday night.

Red Sox manager Terry Francona, who guided Boston to those two titles, said the news “blindsided everybody,” including Ortiz.

“Nobody condones the use of performance-enhancing drugs,” he said. “The testing procedure was confidential. I don’t know how you can go back on that now.”

Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon(notes) played with Ortiz and Ramirez on those championship Red Sox teams. Will fans think those Boston clubs were full of steroid users?

“That probably is what’s being said, and that’s what makes guys like me upset,” Damon said.

In 2003, 104 major leaguers tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs; the results were supposed to be anonymous and are now under court seal.

“Precisely for that reason, the Players Association will not, indeed cannot, comment on whether the information is accurate,” union leader Donald Fehr said.

The Times’ story cited lawyers involved in pending litigation over the testing results who spoke anonymously because the information is under seal. The newspaper did not say what the players tested positive for.

“Can somebody in baseball—we’re all begging, people—get that stupid list out and move on,” Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said. “This is ridiculous; this is embarrassing; this is a joke. Whoever is there is there, get them out, and that’s it.”

There were no penalties for a positive test in 2003—the anonymous tests were conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004. But federal agents seized the results as part of the BALCO investigation. The union has argued the search was illegal, and the case is currently before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

In the meantime, the names on the list keep coming out one by one.

In June, the Times reported Sosa also was on the 2003 list, and Rodriguez admitted using performance-enhancing drugs after he was linked to the 2003 list earlier this year.

Major League Baseball declined to comment on the Times’ report, telling The Associated Press it didn’t have the list of players who tested positive in 2003. Red Sox owner John Henry did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Try as it might, baseball has not been able to escape the drug stain.

“We’re just trying to move on and play the game, and play it clean,” Texas pitcher Kevin Millwood(notes) said. “And this cloud keeps looming over. And when these names keep leaking out, it just builds this whole thing back up again.”

The news revived an ongoing debate—should all 104 names be revealed?

“Coming out every couple months with a couple names here, a couple names there, it could go on for years and years and years. It reopens a wound we’re trying to close. I don’t know what can be done,” Seattle pitcher Jarrod Washburn(notes) said.

Said Atlanta star Chipper Jones(notes): “It’s like somebody wants to keep this on the tips of everybody’s tongues. And if that’s the case, I’d rather we just got it over with.”

Ramirez was a long-established star in 2003. Ortiz, in contrast, had been a part-time player before that season.

Ortiz had never hit more than 20 homers with Minnesota early in his career. He came to Boston as a platoon player in 2003 and had four homers by July 1, then hit 27 the rest of the year.

Ortiz followed up with seasons of 41, 47 and 54 home runs as he stamped himself as one of the game’s best sluggers. Last year he dipped to 23 homers, and his slump continued this season. He’s hitting only .228 with 14 home runs.

Updated Jul 31, 5:08 am EDT
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  1. GrantY
    1230. Posted by GrantY Tue Aug 18 11:09pm EDT

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    There is a difference between doing steroids and taking a banned substance. Papi has ademently denied taking steroids, it doesn't mean that he couldnt have tested positive for a banned substance.
  2. Tom F
    1229. Posted by Tom F Sun Aug 2 7:30pm EDT

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    Bushwhack- My argument was never about making excuses, in fact very early on when i started this I stated that if you want to put an * next to 99 and 00 then go ahead that's fine cuz yeah Clemens was on the team. Hell even with Justice on the team in 00 fine I get it although if Justice was using that year then it started in Cleveland. But then your saying you have to put an * next to 96 and 98 as well. Ok knob was on the 98 team but according to the report he didn't start taking till 01. And as far as Pettitte goes, there is no evidence that he took anything before Clemens and Mcnamee came to the team. Stanton was on the team in 98 too but he didn't take to 03. See that's the biggest problem, people saw all the names of players who played for the Yankees and bam all four champs are tainted. No that's not the case. Since the only real witness for the report is Mcnamee and if we are going to believe anything he says then we have to believe it all. Pettite in 02, Clemens in 98, Knob in 01 and so forth. Can't just look at it and say they've been juicing their whole career. Take ARod for instance, and trust me I'n not an Arod fan at the least, but the evidence is there to support his claim that he only took roids while in Texas, I mean just look at his AVG HR total for those years and compare them to the rest of career and there is a def. spike. Now with Clemens when he was with the yankees in 99 and 00 there really wasn't a spike, in fact he fell off after winning cy young in toronto with 01 being an exception. As for Pettite there is nothing to prove that he took before 02 except for the fact that won 21 games in 96, and finished 2nd for the cy young. With Ortiz there is deff more spike than in the case of Manny since Manny was good way before he got to Boston. In fact Ortiz, when you think about resembles Brady Anderson a bit. At one time he was at best a so-so player then WHAM he's a superstar.

    As far as Canseco goes, say what you want about how he tainted the yankees but he did it for every team he ever played for, including the Red Sox and they knew he was juicing too. In fact just read a report today about how the Red Sox fired two security personal who were being investigated for steriod use. Canseco was the King of Juicing and shared his knowledge with everybody, hell after his 40-40 season, who wouldn't be curious to know about his work effort or lack therof. So don't play the canseco called with yankee fans cuz even though the red sox never won a championship with him, and this is true for every team he played for, we don't know the true extent of his influence. If he taught trainers all he knew, then yeah his extent was huge.
  3. Bushwhackers
    1228. Posted by Bushwhackers Sat Aug 1 6:37pm EDT

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    TOM F...Your trying real Hard to make excuses for your beloved Yankees but once again You can't have it both ways. Pettitte admitted using Steroids. Therefore he is a Dirty Player Just like the rest of the Juicers. I bring up Canseco because he was on the Yankees Roster in 00' & he is the "King of the Juicers". As a matter of fact...That's probably why the Yankees signed him......So he could show the rest of the team where to stick their steroid filled Needles..! Yes....it's an unarguable fact that David Ortiz & Manny Ramirez were the 2 most important HITTERS on the Red Sox 2 championships but if you want to put an asterisk next to their Titles then you have to do the same with every other team that won with a dirty player on the roster. I'll be the first to admit that YES....Manny & Ortiz carried the Red Sox to 2 Titles on their backs & YES, it looks like they were dirty when they did but you can't single out those 2 titles without doing the same to every other team with dirty players on it. And don't forget, Schilling, Pedro, Lowell, Lowe, Drew, Youkilis & JONNY DAMON had a lot to do with those Titles too.
  4. James
    1227. Posted by James Sat Aug 1 12:23am EDT

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    BIG POOPI is a cheater deal with it RED SUX NATION tainted titles like the cheating PATS and spygate

    It's good to see that Dagweed is still his usual douchbag self.
  5. Tom F
    1226. Posted by Tom F Fri Jul 31 10:44pm EDT

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    Bushwacked- Allright dude u win, you a freaking idiot. My last post was in response of yours, remember you challenged me to prove how the yankees still would have won without the cheaters. I made my point by stating the key would be to get rid of Clemens and bring back Wells, who we traded to toronto to get clemens. Without him, Pettite more than likely doesn't even ever touch roids, reason being that they worked out together with McNamara. And other guys like Knoblauch (who in the Mitchell Report didn't start taking roid till 01 so he doesn't even deserve to be in this conversation about 99 and 00., Justice, (who only played 78 games with the yankees in 2000 but did hit 20 Hr) Grimsley who in 99 did have a 7-2 record with 3.6 ERA and 3-2 with 5.05 in 00 sure descent numbers by both Grimsley and Justice but in no way shape or form were they absoulty essential in winning the world series. Take Grimsley record in 99 for example. Relievers get wins easily sometimes cuz they usually come in late in the game when its tied. Plus he was Hidiki Irabu's cleanup guy. Irabu's 99 stats 11-7 with 4.84 era. and started 27 G so there's 9 ND's right there

    But the most idiotic thing is that you bring up Canseco! What did he do for the Yankees besides ride the pine. He was nothing more than the 300lb elephant in the room. Then you say Jeff Nelson and Luis Sojo were linked to steriods. Wow thats amazing cuz downloaded the Mitchell Repot when it first came out and their names are not in there, But then you must have the copy that was written in invicible ink. This is a direct quote by NY announcer John Sterling about Sojo, "He's probably the best .200 hitter of all time." Yeah he was an offensive machine. Nelson? He's a radio announcer which says alot cuz most of these guys from the report have fallen off the face of the earth.

    As far as Gooden and Leyritz? What the hell does their personal non perfomance enhancing addiction have to do with anything. That right there shows how pathetic you are. Celebrities from all over, music, sports, movies, etc have drug problems. As long as they only hurt themselves, continue to perform at their profession and not go nuts on people, WHO CAREs? Yeah Leyritz's problems now are bad but you know what it could happen to anyone. You don't know what goes on in someone else's life therefor you are not qualified to judge them!!!!!!!!

    As far as Stanton goes when the report came out he wasn't with the Yankees he was with the Mets who the other trainer said sold him the stuff in 2003. So Nope you are wrong again?

    Then you bring up Pettite's number from 96 and 98. Why? Never once have I mentioned those years I only concentrated on 99 and 00 cuz that's when Clemens was with the team. Thanks for reminding me about Andy's numbers in 99 and 00 I forgot about those since I only mentioned them earlier in the. I also pointed out his ERA which for both years was over 4. In no shape or form has Andy ever been a flamethrower like Clemens which is why he does get hit around a bit. So show me how steriods helped him enhance his performance on the field?

    Now like I said Clemens and Pettite were no way shape or form as important to the Yankees as Ortiz and Manny. Clemens and pettite were replaceable. Like I said take away clemens and we have Wells plus MORE than likely Andy never touches roids. You talk alot of worthless non thought out dribble. It's obvious you know nothing about this subject. Your just a Yankee hater and you refuse to admit that what Ortiz and Manny did tarnishes the Red Sox champs more than Pettite, Clemens, and the rest did the Yanks. Those who roided for the yankees, with the exception of Clemens, who most NY fans never liked anyways, were never considered the best are what they do. Pettite doesn't even fall in the top 5 pitchers in baseball during that time. While Manny and Ortiz were in the top 5. Red SOx are the first team to have 2 HUGE stars who produced close to 85% of their offense (the % is high I know but you at least have to say 50%). Once again I prove my point. Do me a favor, read up on this subject before you talk.
  6. Bushwhackers
    1225. Posted by Bushwhackers Fri Jul 31 8:48pm EDT

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    TOM F.....
    Andy Pettitte won 21 Games in 96' - 16 Games in 98' - 14 Games in 99' and 19 Games in 00' but by your reasoning he didn't help the Yankees during those seasons? Half of the Yankee Bullpen of 00' has been linked to Steroids. Mike Stanton, Jeff Nelson & Jason Grimsley! And those are just the players that we know of so I'm sure there's more. You also had Chuck Knoblauch, Jose Canseco & Roger Clemens on that Team. Not to mention the "Coke User" Gooden & the "Alcoholic" Leyritz. And what about Louis Sojo...? I'm sure I've heard his name & steroids in the same sentence before. Anyway, The Bottom line is that the Yankees were just as dirty if not more than the Red Sox so if you want to taint 04' & 07' with an asterisk then you have to taint 96' - 98' - 99' - 00' too...
  7. your mom
    1224. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 7:31pm EDT

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    keep typing that you swallow boys...you will be meeting chris hanson before you know it!!!!
  8. your mom
    1223. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 7:25pm EDT

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    keep typing that you swallow boys...you will be meeting chris hanson before you know it!!!!
  9. your mom
    1222. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 7:24pm EDT

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    what imbetween? its called a typo f..a..g! i know you miss all the young boys from english class but you dont have to grade my posts.
  10. Tom F
    1221. Posted by Tom F Fri Jul 31 6:33pm EDT

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    Bushwacker- 80% of the Yankees were juicing huh? Wow that's amazing I haven't seen that list, the people that evreyone keeps on mentioning like Arod and Giambi, they never won a championship with the Yankees. And could we have won 2 championships in 99 and 00 w/o Clemens? Hell Yeah cuz that would have meant that we never traded David Wells; a MUCH better postseason pitcher and hell Clemens never pitched a perfect game and he was doping. Plus no Clemens almost certainly means that Pettitte doesn't get involved with him and his trainer. Never heard of Pettitte working out with Clemens before he joined the team and yankee broadcasters talk about everything under the sun. As far as knoblauch? Gimme a break he couldn't make the throw from second to first; really how much did roids help him. Justice? Cleveland got his last good year. The fact is the yankees won thanks to a great supporting cast like Shane Spencer, Chad Curtis, Luis Sojo,Homer Bush, Cecil Fielder, Chilli Davis, Charlie Hayes, Strawberry, Gooden, Lyold, Weathers, Wettland, Mendoza, Brossius (who NOONE wanted after that bad year with Oakland), Nelson, Girardi, not to mention the stars like Jeter, Cone, Wells, Williams, ONeil, Marinez, Posada, Boggs and Mo. Alltogether I just listed 25 players from the Yankees dynasty who are no way connected with roids. Now tell me who our big home run hitter was? Tino was. Take Clemens away and give us back Wells and we still win; I mean come on Yankee fans loved Boomer we didn't want to see him go. So i just took away the main problem away from the team; who has I posted earlier didn't post up big win totals for the Yankees in 99 and 00. Now do the same. Hell I'll let you off easy. Instead of taking away both Ortiz and Manny, just take away Manny since we all know without him batting cleanup Ortiz is the same guy from the Twins. Show me how you replace Manny in 04 and 07 and still get the same production out of the cleanup spot and out of Ortiz at the same time. Yeah that's a real thinker there isn't it. Minus Clemens, who out of all the guys who were named in the Mitchell report was the most productive for the team, and the Yankees are fine. Please just use your brain for once. Manny and Ortiz during 04 and 07 were WAY more important to the Red Sox then Clemens and Pettite was in 99 and 00. Come on, they were the Bash Brother Version 2.0. But then again this argument is comming from someone whose tag name is that of the worst professional wrestling tag teams ever so I'm not surprised
  11. your mom
    1220. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 6:21pm EDT

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    see copying and pasting is easy!
  12. your mom
    1219. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 6:20pm EDT

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    just spelled it the loooong way, how can you worry about spelling imbetween all those hits of meth you are taking and the gay sex that you are participating in? now thats multi tasking! good for you
  13. your mom
    1218. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 6:13pm EDT

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    just spelled it the loooong way, how can you worry about spelling imbetween all those hits of meth you are taking and the gay sex that you are participating in? now thats multi tasking! good for you
  14. your mom
    1217. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 6:12pm EDT

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    short bus...your a douche!!!
  15. Bushwhackers
    1216. Posted by Bushwhackers Fri Jul 31 6:02pm EDT

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    Jake Peavy traded to the White Sox
  16. your mom
    1215. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 6:00pm EDT

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    just spelled it the loooong way, how can you worry about spelling imbetween all those hits of meth you are taking and the gay sex that you are participating in? now thats multi tasking! good for you
  17. Bushwhackers
    1214. Posted by Bushwhackers Fri Jul 31 5:59pm EDT

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    POST # 1171 Tom F.........If I were you I'd hire a lawyer & sue the pants off the school system that was in charge of your education. Seriously dude, you got short changed big time,,,,,, I'd even willing to testify on your behalf..!!
  18. your mom
    1213. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 5:55pm EDT

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    just spelled it the loooong way, how can you worry about spelling imbetween all those hits of meth you are taking and the gay sex that you are participating in? now thats multi tasking! good for you!
  19. your mom
    1212. Posted by your mom Fri Jul 31 5:39pm EDT

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    short bus driver talks this way because he had too much man sauce pumped up his a$$ while he was in the joint. everyone feel sorry for this looser who will probly kill himself at the end of the day when he realizes what a looser he is. hey short bus do it like gotti did and hang yourself!
  20. Bushwhackers
    1211. Posted by Bushwhackers Fri Jul 31 5:30pm EDT

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    According to some Yankee fans on this thread the Red Sox Titles ARE Tainted & the Yankees Titles ARE NOT Tainted because Ortiz & Manny were more valuable to the Red Sox than the Yankee Players who were using Steroids.So basically your saying that the Yankees did Cheat but they would have won those Titles anyway even without the cheating players. Do you honestly believe that argument? The Yankees "Dynasty" gets a Pass even though 80% of the Team was "Juicing" but the Red Sox get an asterisk? Whatever...!!!
  21. Puck Off EH
    1210. Posted by Puck Off EH Fri Jul 31 5:20pm EDT

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    You all have a great afternoon...

    Shorty, may you get dick whipped by a Dominican trans-sexual unitl you bleed!

    Puck...
  22. ROB W
    1209. Posted by ROB W Fri Jul 31 5:14pm EDT

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    Didn't Clemens get shot in the ass in the Astro's Owners suite? SWEET!!!!!!!
  23. ROB W
    1208. Posted by ROB W Fri Jul 31 5:12pm EDT

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    @1381, both are fine, how's that bbl, big ball licker
  24. bbl
    1207. Posted by bbl Fri Jul 31 5:11pm EDT

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    SWEET now is the roid sox nation time
    i hope with this they (roid sox fans) shut up and stop talking crap about the YANKS
    i'am an ASTROS fan. and if like BIG PORKY said the ones on 'roids
    have to be banned for life. we all expect him to pack and go home
    and following him are youkilis,pedroia,varitek,beckett.so roid nation
    stop trashing the YANKS 'cause you are not the protected ones anymore
  25. bbl
    1206. Posted by bbl Fri Jul 31 5:09pm EDT

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    ok. boston fans just one question
    how can we call you now
    roid sox nation or red sucks nation
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