Mets decline 2010 option on reliever J.J. Putz

Hispanics rule!!!!!!! ny mets s.uck

pmlmotorsports... Sadly, I know this will fall on deaf ears (or blind eyes, in this case), but please quit polluting this forum with your political and social views. I'm sure Lou Dobbs has a chat room you can join. In the meantime, keep the hatred to yourself and stick to baseball.

I knew someone would play that card that I didn't mention any Latino Phillies. ok, May JC Romero tear a hammy...Are you happy now? lol...Seriously, I did not wish death on anyone. I did not wish permeant injury to anyone. Then this guy says he not NOT a racist and still sayd why don't we speak English? Who are you to propose that? I was born here and speak English as does my family so don't go saying all hispanics do not speak English because you are wrong. You are a racist pmlmotorsports. It wasn't my idea to press one for English, that's YOUR US government! If you don't like it, go complain to them or the company that usues it. Are you so ignorant as to why they use it? Since you aren't to sharp I'll tell you...MONEY!!! They want everyone's MONEY!!! That's why fool! I will not write anymore because i am tired of explaining this to ignorant people such as yourself. ANd if you ar such a BIG man, When tix go on sale for the upcoming season, go shout real loud about the Hispanic players the Mets signed! You don't have the balls do you? RACIST!!!

As for the offense, it's all about Matt Holliday. They NEED to sign him up. If they wanna continue with the Murphy at 1st experiment, and not re-sign Delgado (if he can be had for cheap, I think they should explore it), then they should go after Mark DeRosa or Aubrey Huff to platoon with Murph. Meanwhile, I really still think they should at least explore the possibility of trading for Adrian Gonzalez. It's a long shot, but then again so was them landing Johan, and look how that turned out.

With that stated, realistic lineup:

SS Reyes SS Reyes
2B Castillo 2B Castillo
CF Beltran CF Beltran
LF Holliday LF Holliday
3B Wright OR 1B Delgado
RF Franceour 3B Wright
1B Murphy/DeRosa or Huff RF Franceour
C Santos C Santos

If the Mets can somehow, from some miracle, pull off a trade for Adrian Gonzalez (again, not likely at all), then obviously he'd play 1B, and he'd be the #4 or 5 hitter (between Beltran and Holliday, or between Holliday and Wright...I honestly favor the latter). If not, then, IMHO, they really should re-sign Delgado as they'll need additional power.

If the Mets cannot get AGon (again, they probably won't be able to anyway) and lose out on signing Holliday (if so, see you next year Mets fans), and don't re-sign Delgado, the only other option I see for offensive production that might put them back among the upper echelon in the NL East would be making a deal with the Rays for both Carlos Pena AND Carl Crawford. That line up would look like:

SS Reyes Reyes
2B Castillo Crawford
LF Crawford Beltran
CF Beltran OR Wright
3B Wright Pena
1B Pena Franceour
RF Franceour Castillo
C Santos Santos

Actually...this isn't a bad line up at all. Quite speedy, actually. They may not out hit or hammer the Phillies, but they'll sure as hell run them to death on the base paths. Speed kills, after all.

Bench? If Murph isn't a starter (and, IMHO, he shouldn't be), then he's the super sub for the corner infield and possibly corner outfield spots. Pagan is the OF sub. Thole rides the bench for MLB experience. Cora is back as the middle infield sub. And, honestly...I'd re-sign Shef to another 1 year deal. He wants to stay, for one, can be had for less (say, a one year incentive laden deal for $1 mil?), is willing to just be a full time pinch hitter (as that's the job he signed up for last year, remember), is still a dangerous hitter who still scares the crap out of opposing pitchers, and he'd basically be the Mets version of what the Phillies have with Matt Stairs. But, unlike Stairs, Shef could, on rare occasion, actually play the outfield.

So, the bench: Murphy (IF - corners), Cora (MI), Pagan (OF), Thole (C), Sheffield (PH, occasional OF)

For the rotation:

Maine showed himself, again, prone to injury. IMHO...time to cut him lose via trade. He's still young and has a good upside, so a team with a need for MLB ready pitching might be willing to part with a couple of prospects. Or...he could be one of the MLB ready arms in the center of a deal for, dare I say...Roy Halliday. Or even packaged in a deal for, say, Adrian Gonzalez. Probably not...but dare to dream Mets fans! I could see them putting him in a deal for, say, Ervin Santana though.

Everyone thinks that Marquis would be a good signing...and he would. But after the year he had out in Coors, he might wind up costing too much money that could be better put elsewhere (~$15 mil). And Marquis isn't a sure thing on the mound anyway. If the Mets are gonna spend that kinda money, they should go after Garland, who eats a lot more innings and walks less batters, which is extra important for the Mets.

I actually think the Mets should take a chance on Ben Sheets. Although also injury plagued, he is brilliant when healthy, and could come cheap this offseason (think bargain basement contract). One year deal at, say, $3 -4 million with incentives and a club option for 2011? Rich Harden is another name being thrown around, but he too is injury plagued, might end up costing more than Sheets, and was never as brilliant as Sheets. Younger, yes, but never as good.

The Mets might not be able to trade Ollie Perez. It was a stupid signing to begin with at that amount of money, tbqh, but maybe he'll have a bounce back year next season. At most, though, he should be the #4 starter, as, IMHO (and the numbers bear this out) Pelfrey is a solid #3. If they find someone willing to trade for him, they should jump on it and cut their loses. The only team that would be potentially looking for pitching and able to swallow that contract are the Dodgers. If they're open to a trade, the Mets should insist on Charlie Haeger being thrown in the deal. A knuckleballer (flyball pitcher) in cavernous Citi Field = win. And he's only 25. And knuckleballers are known to eat innings (see Tim Wakefield in his "prime" on the BoSox). Honestly, even if the Mets can't deal Ollie, they should talk LA into giving up Haeger for a lower level prospect and some cash.

My realistic starting rotation based on what I think Omar will end up doing:

J.Santana, Garland, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey

Less realistic, if they somehow find a way to trade Maine and Perez and get Ervin in a deal (and possibly Haeger), and if Omar has the guts (he doesn't) to try Sheets at a bargain price:

J.Santana, Garland, E.Santana, Sheets, Pelfrey/Haeger

Far less realistic:

Halliday, J. Santana, Garland, E. Santana, Sheets

Really the arms that the Mets should target in the offseason are Garland and Sheets. Garland is cost effective, and can eat innings which is what the Mets need. Sheets might bounce back well after not really pitching in '09. He's worth at least E.Santana via trade, if possible. Same deal with Haeger. Halliday is obviously a long, long, long shot, but the Mets should still explore the option.

What they really need, regardless of race, are guys that are gamers. Right now, this time has only a few: Wright, Francouer, Santana, Cora, and KRod.

Mets need Lackey and Holliday. They also need to beef up their farm, and once he gets healthy, it might be time to say bye to Reyes for some prospects. Maybe Hudson can get taken and converted to SS. Also time to say bye to Perez(get some used tires), Sullivan, any SS callup from Buffalo, Hernandez. Time to decide if Murphy is an option for 1B. Would nice to get rid of Omar and get someone from a winner like the Red SOx, Twins to do an exteme makeover for this team. If they can get another starter via free agency, time to send Pelfry packing.

never said you were racist, just thought you had a poor choice of words throughout what you originally said and some undignified comments

To bbk and anyone else who thinks I'm a racist, I can only ask for you to read what I 've said all along. I do not have a problem with Hispanics/Latinos. I would have no problem with a team which has a quality line-up regardless of a players ethnicity.

HOWEVER, I do have a huge problem when the GM signs old broken down Latinos like Alou, El Duque,' Ayala, Cancel, Casanova, Castillo, Pagan, Tatis, Feliciano, Figueroa, Raul Martinez, Cora, and a dozen others when there are otheroptions who are younger , better all around players, who could be signed for less money. Add to the mix that in his 5 years with the Mets, Omar has yet to trade away a Latino player for a non-Latino player. He seems to have no problem signing away Caucasians and African Americans for Latinos, but God forbid he trades away one of his hombres for a guy who speaks English. So yes, I'd gladly welcome Pujols or Texiera at 1st base, and have Santana on the mound, just as I would welcome Hanley ramirez at shortstop and Raul Ibanez in the OF, but I am tired of paying absurd amounts of money the heartless lackless leadership of Beltran and Delgado, or the powerless Castillo, the mediocore play of Tatis, Cancel, Casanova, Pagan and having 5 Latino players over the age of 35 in our MINOR league system.

So call me whatever you like, I honestly couldn't possibly care less. As for bbk, I knew you were Latino/Hispanic just by your "wishes" and pride. Now do me a favor and defend why we have to press 1 for English because your fellow latinos refuse to learn and speak English. Case in point, Omar has been in the US for over 35 years, yet he talks like he just go off the boat on Wednesday. If my ancestors had to learn English and adapt to the USA culture, what gives you the right to DEMAND we adopt your language? Oh yeah that's right ignorance......like accepting a player's mediocore play ONLY because he is from a spanish speaking country.

and the fact that their argument was going on at 4 AM EST probably doesnt help either

no problem john r, the fact is the mets and the braves have both been stupid in who the have gotten from FA, while i do see NYM doing much better since they have shown their willingness to spend, it hasnt result truly in what they need which imo is pitching, likewise with the braves they have gone out and signed old vets that do nothing but stay for a year or two then leave instead of getting a good OF hitter and being competitive again in this division. this division could be the most competitve division in baseball if only some of the GMs would pulls their heads out, i mean we got the phils, mets, braves, and marlins; all of which are easy 80-90 wins teams and some; unlike the ALW which only has two real solid teams a slippery slope team with the rays and then the orioles and jays rounding up the rear

chadb, my bad, good point

if bbk is so right then why did he not wish injury upon a latino from the phillies all i heard were names of black and white people, racist as well imo. also, imo, they are both wrong and should have never wished ill upon another, sure in the heat of the moment people cant control what they do, it is their killer instinct that we as humans have always had but have evolved to submerge it as well as we can today. but all that was needed in the first place is for bbk to say that their losing season was because of injuries and there was no need to go any further. i am a braves fan and so i know pretty much everything that has gone on in the division, and know that the reason the mets didnt go anywhere is because of their injuries and im sure any true baseball fan knows that as well, so while i do agree whatever pmlmotorsports said was wrong, but they were both at fault and anyone that chooses to defend one side or the other gets put in the same category, because they are basically saying they agree with the comments made by that person

first of all , i am not a racist, but omar is, he signs all hispanic players that suck, the mets owners should really look at this point if the mets ever want to win!!!!!

bbk, you're right, wherever you go in life, there is always some racist ass$#^e.now for putz, 1 millon to a guy who could'nt strike out my 8 year old son, the phillies will pick him up!!!!!

hahahahaha. even the mets fans are idiots. manaya is a dope. he signs craptastic old players and then he wonders why they get injuries. Older players break down a lot more. it happens. phils lost two starters and a bunch of bull pen help. in addition to ibanez sucking in the second half after his old self got injured.

and give me a break about the mets competing without having injuries. they have no heart or desire. if everyone was healthy, they would have collapsed down the stretch if it had mattered.

New rallying cry of the mets. phils didnt win the world series. phils didnt win the world series. nice bbk. must make you feel so proud.

post #24 pmlmotorsports..... I am sorry dude but what the BBK guy wrote wasn't nice and I do not condone it in any way, but then you went ahead and got down to his level; even lower, IMO.

You do come off as a bitter racist and then to be "wishing" he fall down a flight of stairs and wind up in a wheelchair was beyond stupid, and even more childish then a kid wishing the other team "gets injured".

I didn't wish death or a permanent injury on anyone. I just wanted to show that if those guys were hurt, they would have a season like my Mets! The this moron goes does worse and spews racial insults and wishes for me to become a cripple! I hope YOU pmlmotorsports are not a Mets fan! This Mets fan says things out of frustration but you are EVIL! An Evil Racist! The Mets don't need a racist to support them anyway, pmlmotorsports!! I am glad you are not a Mets fan anymore! It goes to show that when the going gets rough, you bail like a COWARD!! Go take your RACIST, COWARDICE AS S SOME PLACE ELSE!! I will support my heriatge and every heriatge black, white, Hispanic Indian ect who is a NY Met and I will continue to root for ALL NY teams when my team fails! I am glad the Yankees beat those trash talking Phillies who always put down my team! Good Riddance to the @#$% RACIST COWARD!! GO TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG!!

Screw you pmlmotorsports ...YOU are a major league douche bag! I am Hispanic and you have the balls to talk about my heritage? You are the DICK here and a jerkoff to to boot! I SPIT ON YOU!! What you say about a Hispanics as a people is much worse then me wishing Ryan Howard a broken leg! I wished it on all races but you, you came down on Latinos and showed your racist attitude! Come to Citi Field next season and I will set up a michrophone. I'll say what I said and you say what you said. I bet you the Met fans will cheer my statrement while my Latino Bros and all the minorities kick your ass from the entrance to the Home Run Apple!! What a RACIST piece of crap you are! You want to pick on Omar, go ahead but DON"T pick on every Hispanic the Mets ever signed! Do you cheer when Reyes steals a base? I bet you do but behind a screen you talk about ALL Latinos as if we are beneath you. Then after you tell me how wrong it is to wish harm on people, you wish I fall and end up crippled!! You are a hypocrit Racist!!! Do you honestly think that what you said about Hipanics and about me falling down a flight of stairs and becoming a cripple is not worse than what I said then you are truly a dumb a s s Racist scum bag!! A broken leg will heal but being a cripple is forever!! You deserve that very thing to happen to YOU!! If you said anything about Latinos outside Citi Field you would be after a good ass kicking!!! I hope EVERY LATINO who reads your comment gives you hell! To those who stick up for me.. MUCHAS GRACIAS!!!

#20 bbk- Don't you dare consider yourself a Mets fan. No honest Mets fan would wish harm and injury to another team's player just to offset their own teams injuries. To make matters worse you jump on the Yankee bandwagon and proclaim the Championship for New York. What a dick.

If you want to point a finger, point it at the out of shape, lazy ass Latinos Omar has signed and pampered. The reason the Mets had so many injuries is simple, NOBODY looks like an ahtlete on this team. Delgado looks like his idea of excersize is enjoying a few tacos and some rice and beans, Reyes doesn't seem to be one to stretch his legs at all having had numerous leg injuries all throughout his career, not to mention El Duque, Moises Alou, Pedro Feliciano, Nelson Figueroa, Duaner Sanchez, Robinson Cancel, Raul Casanova, and Livan Hernandez. These 8 guys look like a bunch on cops sitting in a Dunkin Donuts......

Now with a little luck, bbk will fall down a flight of stairs and wind-up in a wheelchair for wishing injury on inocent players who just happened to beat the sheet out of his heartless NY Metropolitanos.
What a spitefull selfish bastard.

If Putz was Latino, it wouldn't make a difference if his arm was amputated. Omar would've signed him to a 4 yr extension with a $5mil signing bonus. In 5 yrs as Mets GM, Omar still hasn't signed a decent catcher, 2nd baseman, Left fielder, Right fielder, or #2 pitcher.......instead we signed Castillo who has the power of Rosie O'Donnell, 4 Latino catchers who aren't worth the thread used to stitch-their last name to a jersey, Moises Alou, who pulls a hamstring tying his shoe laces, El Duque' who pulls a calf muscle jogging in the outfield, and Fernando tatis and Angel Pagan, 2 players who combined don't equal 1 true Major League talent..........


But it's alright cause they ain't white............what an absolute disgrace. I will never support this team as long as Omar is the GM.....and if any Mets fan want a successful team, they should do the same. JUST BOYCOTT EVERY GAME AND EVERY PRODUCT THE METS PUT ON THE MARKET.

Who thinks Rick Slate and John Zajac need to get fired after last season?

11. Posted by robert g Fri Nov 6 8:24pm EST Report Abuse
hahahahaha mets. Are they still in the majors? How many games did they finish behind the phillies? 20? 25? Who cares about this craphole of a team..

Ummm, obviuosly you do, since you wasted time posting here.

Philly laughing @ the Injury riddled Mets? That's funny..but NOT as funny as you LOSING to the Yankees! You are a loser team Philly!! You are nothing! Not Champs and don't tell me the NL Chamss..That doesn't mean Squat if you don't win the World Series!! So tell me, who won the WS again? Oh that's right a NY team! Philly sucks and you are lucky you got the lowly Rays last year or it would still be 1 in 127 years!! So the Mets and Philly each have 2 WS and you guys started in 1883!!! LMFAO!! You can't say you are the Champs anymore, that's over now. Just as you guys have said all along "The PRESENT" is what matters and last time I watched, the Phils were crying in the 3rd base dugout at Yankee Stadium! LOSER city and Loser team! I hope you have a slew of injuries next season and then you will understand how you can finish 20 games out!! The Mets were bad because of injuries, not the team so I hope Howard breaks a leg and Utley rips his groin off and Werth and Lee tear their knees up and you know what you got? THE 2009 METS!!