Marlins manager Gonzalez under evaluation

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PHILADELPHIA (AP)—Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be evaluated at the end of the season, leaving the winningest manager in team history with no guarantee he’ll return for 2010.

Marlins president David Samson also said Sunday he was not aware of any talks between Florida and former Mets manager Bobby Valentine. ESPN.com reported that Valentine, who recently ended a six-year run as manager of the Chiba Lotte Marines in Japan’s Pacific League, is in talks about taking a position with the Marlins.

Gonzalez signed a two-year extension in spring training, putting him under contract through 2011. He also led the thrifty Marlins to an 87-75 record with the lowest payroll in baseball ($37 million) and passed Jack McKeon for most wins by a manager in team history with his 242nd on Saturday.

“As we looked at the performance at things that happened, games that went one way, games that went another way, there is no question we felt we should have been a playoff team,” Samson said during Sunday’s Marlins-Phillies game.

Samson said owner Jeffrey Loria, who was not at the game, is insistent the team will not lose money.

“I don’t think he would look at it and say, ‘Man, if I just put in $20 more million, that would have made the difference in making the playoffs,”’ Samson said. “There are some people that argue we could have taken $4 million off this team and done better.”

Loria fired Joe Girardi after only one season despite eventually winning NL Manager of the Year honors. Girardi was replaced by Gonzalez.

Relaxed and puffing a cigar in the dugout, Gonzalez said before the game he was not worried about the report and called Valentine “a good baseball man.”

“I don’t even want to talk about it,” Gonzalez said after the Phillies beat the Marlins 7-6 in 10 innings. “You get judged on wins and losses. We all have bosses. We’ll just keep moving forward.”

Valentine led the Mets to the World Series in 2000, where they lost to the Yankees in five games. He is returning to ESPN as an analyst on “Baseball Tonight” for the league championship series and World Series.

The Marlins went 71-91 in Gonzalez’s first season and improved to 84-77 last year, when he became the third manager to lead them to a winning record.

The Marlins remained in the wild-card hunt this year until the final weeks. All-Star shortstop Hanley Ramirez(notes) hit .342 to become the first Marlin to win a batting title and rookie left fielder Chris Coghlan(notes) had the most hits after the All-Star break by any National League player in the last 45 years.

“We’re all disappointed,” Samson said. “Certainly winning 87 or 88 games is positive for the organization, but our goal every year is to make the playoffs. That’s that.”

Samson would not set a date when a decision would be reached on the future of Gonzalez and the coaching staff. He refused to rule out other cost-cutting changes within the organization.

“We have not done furloughs, we haven’t done mass firings in the front office that other teams have done, but we’re evaluating the possibility of that too,” Samson said.

Updated Oct 4, 6:34 pm EDT
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  1. KingRolfRocks
    32. Posted by KingRolfRocks Mon Oct 5 11:49am EDT

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    Get Matt Holliday during free agency, Brandon Webb in a trade, and dump Pinto!!!
  2. Joanne L
    31. Posted by Joanne L Mon Oct 5 9:23am EDT

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    We’re all disappointed,” Samson said. “Certainly winning 87 or 88 games is positive for the organization, but our goal every year is to make the playoffs. That’s that.”


    ARE YOU KIDDING? I just reread the article and came across this nugget of profound wisdom.

    Mr. Samson, let me make an analogy that perhaps you and upper management can understand. With the tools that Mr. Gonzalez had to work with this season is like sending a doctor into surgery with a butter knife and a spoon. These kids are going to be great. Don't trade them! Mr. Gonzalez is a very good manager who is only going to get even better, He works well with the kids and the veterans. Spend a few bucks to help him round out the line up and you'll have a third championship before you know it. I vote ......LET'S KEEP GONZALEZ!
  3. <i>roy14g</i>
    30. Posted by roy14g Mon Oct 5 9:10am EDT

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    Although I have not agreed with management very often, this would be the first move I would make. Fredi doesn't understand the game, no matter what the record is. He mismanaged the pitching staff, makes questionable moves, sticks with players WAY too long (Bonifacio, Hermida). Get rid of the whole coaching staff, with the possible exception of the bench coach, and start over with some quality coaches.

    Then Loria and whiney baby Samson should sell the team. That would be the best.
  4. Joanne L
    29. Posted by Joanne L Mon Oct 5 9:09am EDT

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    Loria is a moron. We don't need a new manager. We need to find the money to keep the young players that are developing into superstars rather than constantly ship off to other teams for more future prospects. Loria.....WE ARE TIRED OF BEING THE FARM SYSTEM FOR THE REST OF THE MAJOR LEAGUES! DON'T YOU GET IT????????????????


    By the way....It would make a very interesting article at checking the other major league teams rosters to see who we've sent to other teams. You'd be amazed at who we gave away and who we got in return....Here's a better idea...How about starting a poll by the fans to see if Gonzalez should go or the Marlins owner....I think that Mr. Loria would have his eyes opened.! My family and I have been Marlins fans since the first pitch. Ownership continues to disappoint us each year. I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way.
  5. <i>jtp0129</i>
    28. Posted by jtp0129 Mon Oct 5 1:27am EDT

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    Loria let Girardi go for BS politics and Girardi is going to win manager of the year again and lead the Yanks to another World Series title.

    Girardi will be enshrined -- and perhaps Freddie too. If he lets Freddie go, Loria will be remembered as a hack art dealer and a trust fund brat who thought he could run a baseball team. He'll be the laughing stock of baseball...again.
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  6. Nick P
    27. Posted by Nick P Mon Oct 5 12:44am EDT

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    Geez. Fire the guy so Arizona can hire a REAL baseball manager instead of GM Josh Byrnes' plaything, AJ Hinch.
  7. <i>tmjskenn2004</i>
    26. Posted by tmjskenn2004 Mon Oct 5 12:24am EDT

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    So many teams are wanting this guy, so its best for him and baseball if he does go.
    Management seems a little FISHY here
  8. William
    25. Posted by William Sun Oct 4 11:42pm EDT

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    The Marlins should keep Gonzalez since his team have improved every year since he managed it. The Marlins have a good chance of competing for the National East title next season. If the Marlins fire him, I believe that the team will take a step back next season.
  9. greenwings
    24. Posted by greenwings Sun Oct 4 11:26pm EDT

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    This team spends less money than the Pittsburgh Pirates and they think it's their manager's fault that they didn't get into the playoffs? Give me a break. If they'd commit to a player like Uggla, even if just for his arbiration eligibily period, they'd be much better off. It is stunning to me that this team has had the success it has had over the years. They've had good managers, too, like Leyland and Girardi. Why not cashier another one? We'll see if they can make the playoffs when they let go of more good players, like Johnson and Uggla. No wonder the fans stay away in droves.
  10. <i>jd1970jd</i>
    23. Posted by jd1970jd Sun Oct 4 11:02pm EDT

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    The Marlins were a closer away from winning the toughest division in the NL! Fredi did a tremendous job of managing a team noone thought had a chance to win their division..... The Marlins are only a few players away from being a playoff team AGAIN - management needs to spend their time adding these players rather than evaluating Fredi.
  11. First L
    22. Posted by First L Sun Oct 4 10:47pm EDT

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    "18. Posted by geabar72

    Bring Gonzales to the Braves as a hitting coach until Cox retires,He could not be any worse than Terry, then after next year when Cox retires make Freddie manager
    with the Braves Pitching rotation they should be pretty good if they can add a big bat and use Chipper as a designated hitter Go BRAVES "


    chipper a DH????
    its the NL
  12. richard r
    21. Posted by richard r Sun Oct 4 9:34pm EDT

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    Right on Bob! Tito FRancoma is the absolute worst manager in baseball. When a big series comes up he benches his regulars and pitches a bunch of minor leaguers. The Sox have the best talent position by position but he sticks with the horrendous V-Tek the worst offensive regular player in the AL with a .208 average and a throwing arm that can barely reach the pitcher. He screwed up Dice-K and would rather start & play 31 year old journeymen like Jeff Bailey than Adam LaRoche. They won 2 World Series on pitching & clutch hitting not on this moron's brain power. If Gonzalez had the players the Sox have he'd have won 120 games in the NL not the 95 Francoma won!
  13. <i>jakeadams72@...</i>
    20. Posted by jakeadams72@... Sun Oct 4 9:03pm EDT

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    David Samson, who I have met and seems to be a good guy, just made some idiotic statements. How can the Marlins possibly have performed any better given the horrendous relief pitching we've suffered through all year at mostly-empty Land Shark Stadium? With guys like rookie Leo Nuñez and Matt Lindstrom the Marlins were expected to be a playoff team? Please ... they are lucky to have more wins than last year. Josh Johnson's comeback is a tremendous story, but Nolasco has been inconsistent. Uggla was soft before the all-star break. Emilio Bonifacio was erratic.

    The owners who are conserving every dollar for 2012 should be proud of what they accomplished instead of "evaluating" Fredi's tenure as manager.

    And, for the record, Bobby V. is not the answer to the Marlins' ills. Getting the dollars to keep the talent it develops for bigger, better teams is the answer.

    Then, the Marlins need to forget about marketing themselves to any person north of Ives Dairy Road and hacer todo solamente en Español. The only way the Miami Marlins will be a success is if they keep ticket prices low and target all of the Latin Americans in Miami-Dade County. You can kiss the Yankee/Met/Red Sox fans who desire to go to a baseball game goodbye.

    As far as the Marlins fans in Broward, Palm Beach and Martin -- are there any?

    Perhaps there were ... until Samson & Co. sent all the great players to Boston. And Detroit. And a few other teams
  14. EL
    19. Posted by EL Sun Oct 4 9:00pm EDT

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    Lets be honest, Fredie has cost us at least 15 games this season, by either keeping a pitcher in too long or counting on the same ones(Pinto). I am for his removal but not for Valentine. Shame on Giraldi, look what he did with the Zoo in NY. But cheapo Loria has to go as well. This franchise will never be a true baseball fan friendly team. Starting out with Hipinga then Weasel Boston and now Give it away Loria. He stole this franchise from MLB, has one of the best cable contract revenue stream and makes a ton of money from MLB TV CONTRACT.

    Shame on us for supporting management, get rid of them all, resign Uggla, Fire out idiot pitching coach, bring back Perry and get a quality catcher and a better right fielder. I am a firm believer in Doneley, Nunez and Lindstrom as set up and closer.

    Think about this, Give Connine a try at Manager, knows the game, has the respect of the players and the fans, but give him the tools, players and a good pitching and infield coach that will teach.

    Think of this line up
    1. Coghlin, 3B
    2. Maybin CF
    3. Hanley SS
    4. MOURNEAU C - get this guy this will be a franchise player that plays in small market now, will luv it here
    5.. Cantu 1a
    6. Ugla 2b
    7. Carroll RF
    8. Burrell LF from Tampa, he needs to be in the NL, but still has a bat and an arm. former UM would come here in a beat.

    SP - IN ORDER, NOLASCO, JOHNSON, SANCHEZ, VANDENHURK, FIFTH STARTER
    dump MILLER, VOLSTAD, PINTO,SANCHEZ,

    GO FISH, NEXT YEAR WILL BE OUR YEAR IF WE FOLLOW THIS GAME/BUSINESS PLAN
  15. <i>geabar72</i>
    18. Posted by geabar72 Sun Oct 4 8:56pm EDT

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    Bring Gonzales to the Braves as a hitting coach until Cox retires,He could not be any worse than Terry, then after next year when Cox retires make Freddie manager
    with the Braves Pitching rotation they should be pretty good if they can add a big bat and use Chipper as a designated hitter Go BRAVES
  16. Calvin J
    17. Posted by Calvin J Sun Oct 4 7:54pm EDT

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    "The first salary I'd cut would be Samson's. If your goal is to make the playoffs every year, then maybe you don't want to trade off all the Brad Penney's and Josh Becketts and AJ Burnett's the second they cost you more than minimum. And oh, guess what, no one from Broward or Palm Beach County wants to drive in rush hour traffic all the way to Miami to the "new" freaking stadium. Smooth move there. Not enough fans so let's alienate two whole paying counties--Miami Marlins Ptewwww! I know who needs a furlough and it isn't Gonzalez and it isn't the players"

    Dianne dear, news for you, no one from Broward or Palm Beach goes to the games now, so who cares if you won't go to a wonderful, beautiful, airconditioned, no rainout stadium. What about the Heat ? Hmmmm lots of Heat fans from Broward there every night the Heat play, so that "threat" just doesn't ring true. You who live in Broward and Palm Beach should have packed Landshark so the Marlins would have thought twice about moving south. But really, you make it sound like you are the only ones being put upon. I live in Cutler Bay, a 57 mile jaunt to Landshark Stadium right now, which is I dare say a longer drive than you have from your perch in Broward to Landshark, or will have from Broward to the new ballpark. So finally after 16 years we South Dade residents are getting a fairer shake, so really shut the freak up.
  17. trublu13
    16. Posted by trublu13 Sun Oct 4 7:26pm EDT

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    What the heck?!?After what he's done for this team, he's going to be evaluated. Cut off that ownership you have and then you won't be sorry when you get your new stadium.
  18. felix r
    15. Posted by felix r Sun Oct 4 7:17pm EDT

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    gonzalez is a good manager, team overachieved with no closer what more could you ask for... thats why its so hard to be a marlins fans.. sooner or later there luck is gonna run out with these young cheap players and then what are they gonna do...
  19. Dianne
    14. Posted by Dianne Sun Oct 4 6:50pm EDT

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    The first salary I'd cut would be Samson's. If your goal is to make the playoffs every year, then maybe you don't want to trade off all the Brad Penney's and Josh Becketts and AJ Burnett's the second they cost you more than minimum. And oh, guess what, no one from Broward or Palm Beach County wants to drive in rush hour traffic all the way to Miami to the "new" freaking stadium. Smooth move there. Not enough fans so let's alienate two whole paying counties--Miami Marlins Ptewwww! I know who needs a furlough and it isn't Gonzalez and it isn't the players.
  20. Bob
    13. Posted by Bob Sun Oct 4 5:15pm EDT

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    Freddie give them the finger and come to Boston where our manager stinks but wins because of the players our ownership gets him.
  21. JohnL
    12. Posted by JohnL Sun Oct 4 4:53pm EDT

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    Bump is right. Atlanta is where Gonzalez should be.A real baseball man in a real baseball city.
  22. SandyD
    11. Posted by SandyD Sun Oct 4 4:51pm EDT

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    This is beyong belief. The Marlins have been extraordinary this season. Like many have said, we need to replace the owners, not the manager.
  23. JohnL
    10. Posted by JohnL Sun Oct 4 4:46pm EDT

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    I cant believe what i just read.Under Gonzalez the Marlins have improved each of his 3 seasons as manager.The teams refuses to spend money on players,however they look to be hiring a guy who has been in Japan for the last 5 years and never did much as a manager in MLB either.I wonder how much he will cost????
    I say get rid of Sampson and use that money to get what they need for 0010.
  24. Bump
    9. Posted by Bump Sun Oct 4 4:36pm EDT

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    would love to see Gonzo take over after Bobby Hangs them up after next year in ATL..would be a good fit
  25. Miranger
    8. Posted by Miranger Sun Oct 4 4:32pm EDT

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    This is exactly why its hard to be a marlins fan the ownership is retarded and they dont spend money.
    A playoff team? really with no ACE or a established closer, no first basement or a catcher ok... let me believe that for a minute... he spent some money on hanley and all of a sudden were a playoff team?
    get over yourself freddie is the reason why this team has overachieved not the leadership or the players
    pay the man keep him around and get him some god damn talent.
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