Herzog, Harvey elected to baseball Hall of Fame

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Whitey Herzog spent a good, long time stewing about a blown call in the 1985 World Series. So in a strange way, perhaps this fits: He’s going into the Hall of Fame, standing next to an umpire.

Herzog and prominent crew chief Doug Harvey got the call Monday, elected to the Hall by the Veterans Committee.

Herzog was a single vote short in his previous try, and might’ve made it sooner with another crown on his resume. But he was forever linked to Don Denkinger after the ump’s infamous miss in Game 6 so long ago cost the St. Louis Cardinals a chance to clinch.

“No, I’m not bitter at Denkinger,” Herzog said at Busch Stadium. “He’s a good guy, he knows he made a mistake, and he’s a human being. It happened at an inopportune time but I do think they ought to have instant replay in the playoffs and World Series.”

Herzog and Denkinger made their peace over the years.

“We didn’t always see eye-to-eye. That’s pretty obvious. Enough has been printed about what happened,” Denkinger told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

“It didn’t deter from how I feel about Whitey. He deserves to be in the Hall. I have the utmost respect for him,” he said.

The long-ago play that rankled Herzog came leading off the bottom of the ninth with St. Louis leading the Royals 1-0. Pinch-hitter Jorge Orta was called safe at first, even though replays showed first baseman Jack Clark’s toss to pitcher Todd Worrell was in time. A missed popup helped Kansas City rally for two runs to win Game 6.

“How could he miss that call?” Herzog shouted that night, mixing in an expletive as he stormed down a runway tunnel. The next night, the Royals romped 11-0 in Game 7.

As for Harvey, Herzog joshed: “I don’t know why he should get in. Doug kicked me out of more games than any other umpire.”

Like Herzog, Harvey fell one vote shy in the last election. This time, they both easily drew enough support to reach Cooperstown.

“I don’t think I would’ve had my heart broken if I’d missed by another vote or two. But I’m damn happy it’s over,” Herzog said. “It was just in the last few years when I was only missing by a few votes that I thought, maybe I do deserve it.”

Among those who came close this year was former players’ union head Marvin Miller. He was on a separate slate for executives and officials, and fell two votes short.

“Very few individuals have had as significant or as positive an impact upon the history of baseball as Marvin,” union head Michael Weiner said in a statement. “The Hall remains incomplete without Marvin’s plaque.”

Herzog was a fixture in major league dugouts for two decades. He won the 1982 World Series and three NL pennants with the Cardinals and three division titles with Kansas City. He became the 19th manager to make the Hall.

“I think he was one of the guys who started managers looking at doing more creative things,” said Hall of Fame shortstop Ozzie Smith, one of Herzog’s star players. “You’d see him take a relief pitcher and put him in right field.”

Smith was a late addition to the 16-member panel that considered managers and umpires. Candidates needed 12 votes (75 percent) to make it, and Herzog got 14 in voting Sunday at the baseball winter meetings. Results were announced Monday, and the 78-year-old Herzog was told he was in.

Dorrel Norman Elvert Herzog drew his nickname because of his light blonde hair while playing minor league ball. He wasn’t much of a major league outfielder, but made his mark with the Runnin’ Redbirds.

“He’s the best baseball man I’ve ever been around,” said Washington manager Jim Riggleman, a former member of Herzog’s staff. “If you worked under Whitey, you had a chance to manage in the major leagues.”

Herzog started managing in 1973 with Texas and compiled a .532 career winning percentage.

“He gave his entire life to the game,” said Hall of Fame manager Tom Lasorda, another Veterans panel member. “When he didn’t make it last year, I was very, very down. This year, everyone understood he belonged there.”

Herzog and Harvey came close in 2007. They will be enshrined at the induction ceremonies on July 25.

Harvey umpired in the National League for 31 seasons before retiring in 1992. He worked five World Series and six All-Star games, and handled more than 4,600 games overall.

The 79-year-old Harvey was picked on 15 of 16 ballots this time, becoming the ninth umpire in the Hall.

“Ten years into my career, my late father said to me that one day I would realize what I have achieved. When I woke up this morning and I received the call from Cooperstown, I realized for the first time exactly what that means,” Harvey said in a statement.

“I accept this election … on behalf of all umpires from the minor leagues to the major leagues and for those who umpire at every level,” he said.

Harvey has been in frail health since being diagnosed with oral cancer in 1997. He often chewed a wad of tobacco while on the field.

“What were they waiting for to put him in?” said Denkinger, a longtime AL umpire. “We all thought he should’ve been elected five or six years ago.”

Harvey was distinguished by his shock of silver hair, and players often called him “God” in tribute to his work. He helped bring a new style to umpiring, too. Rather than make emphatic, instant calls, as was the norm when he began in 1962, he would take a split-second to get a snapshot of the play in his mind.

“He had the players’ respect. He had the pitchers’ respect—most of the time,” Lasorda said.

“Sometime you see umpires and you say that guy’s not giving his best, he’s getting lackadaisical. Not him,” he said.

Danny Murtaugh, who guided Pittsburgh to a pair of World Series titles, and umpire Hank O’Day each received eight votes, four shy of election.

A separate 12-person committee that reviewed 10 executives didn’t elect anyone. John Fetzer, who owned the Detroit Tigers from 1956-83, got eight votes and fell one short.

Miller, who became head of the players’ association in 1966 and built the union into a powerful force, drew seven votes. Jacob Ruppert, who owned the Yankees when they acquired Babe Ruth, also had seven.

Roberto Alomar, Edgar Martinez(notes) and Barry Larkin are eligible for the first time in Hall voting by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America. Results will be announced Jan. 6.

The next Veterans Committee vote for players is in 2010.

AP Sports Writer R.B. Fallstrom in St. Louis contributed to this report.

Updated Dec 7, 6:40 pm EST
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  1. Alfonso T
    304. Posted by Alfonso T Thu Dec 10 11:14pm EST

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    Danny Murtaugh was a great manager for those great Pittsburgh teams of Clemente, Oliver, Blass, Ellis, Stargell, Hebner, Moose, Giusti, Stennet, Cash, etc. Danny was as goood a s manager as the best of his generatioon included Herzog, Sparky Anderson, Dick Williams and Billy MArtin. He deserves to be in the Hall.
  2. TJ
    303. Posted by TJ Thu Dec 10 10:15pm EST

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    Time to disband the Veteran's Committee. Its out lived its usefullness. This was put in play to get most of the good players from the old Negro Leagues in, since they were not allowed to play baseball. Now that is over. Maybe, just maybe, if people cant be elected within 15 years of retirement (or whatever the time limit is) then maybe they dont deserve to be in the Hall. We are not talking about one or two year wonders or someone doing ONE spectacular thing (example if someone wins the
    Triple Crown and never gets close before or after again) . Some people need to be in the Hall (Pete Rose of course), but its time to stop worrying if some obscure 2nd baseman on a team from the 50s who hit for average on a team with sluggers "deserves" to be in the Hall...he doesnt.
  3. Jazzinefx
    302. Posted by Jazzinefx Thu Dec 10 5:22pm EST

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    @300. Posted by Moomaw Wed Dec 9 8:37pm EST

    Yes, I agree that baseball has changed. But, what hasn't changed is the need for great players. I would say that people remember clubs, but, they remember the great players more, they remember the great pitch, the great hit, and the great plays, the great managing, and the great front offices, and G.M.'s. Clubs only get remembered because great players played on these clubs. Yes, clubs, and teamwork is important, but, it will always come down to some player doing something great. Teams are just unfilled positions. It takes great players to fill those positions.

    It's free agent time right/ Who says I want a great team player. Who says I want a great pitcher, are other position player? That's the difference. Great players make great teams, and that is what is remembered!!

    If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard: Yes, but if not for so and so, (player) so and so (team) would've never won, or lost, I'd be a rich man today!! It will always come down to great players doing the impossible, that will always be remembered. How many times have you so and so (team) is playing so and so (team)? What's the next question to be asked? Who's playing, Is so and so (player) playing? Why aren't they playing? They're injured? Oh, man, that's not to good for thus and thus (team). It always come down to the players.
  4. <i>harrydbtlmt@...</i>
    301. Posted by harrydbtlmt@... Wed Dec 9 8:44pm EST

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    The HOF has definitely made some oversights throughout the years. Eventually they'll put Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson in..hopefully. Everyone makes some very good points for Gil Hodges, Alan Trammel, Ron Santo,Willie Horton etc. They took their time putting Jim Rice in and he was awesome. Who knows what the future brings..beyond our control and see how it unfolds for the stars of the past
  5. Moomaw
    300. Posted by Moomaw Wed Dec 9 8:37pm EST

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    Dear Jazz, We could argue this over a couple beers all night. I agree the stage is where certain players shine and some don't, whether it be Hal Smith, Al Weis, or Bobby Richardson. I remember the series when Gil Hodges, it seemed, struck out almost every time he batted. The next year he would have a great series. But in order for a player to shine on the stage, the TEAM has to get him there. I watched on TV the year Robinson slid home and I thought he was out but I disliked the Yankees even back then so I wasn't too concerned about Berra's argument. Those series between the Yankees and Dodgers were great battles of two great Heavyweights. Allie Reynolds would start and beat the Dodgers one day and come back and relieve the next to save a game. Now pitchers have pitch counts and make millions for going six. I guess I would say the 1959 White sox epitomize the TEAM aspect of getting into the series. Even today I wonder how they got there but they were an inspiration for me. I get no inspiration from watching the Yankees go out and buy the best players available to get into the series. It may be corporate baseball but it is not BASEBALL.
  6. allen
    299. Posted by allen Wed Dec 9 5:47pm EST

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    The Veterans Committee should dedicate themselves to getting Gil Hodges and Ron Santo in the Hall. Those two now are the most glowing omissions among the players that are being decided upon by the Vererans Committee and both should be in Copperstown. They were both dominant position players in perspective decades and leagues. I could argue their point for hours but this is just one fans opinion. Poor Gil has been dead for years, but lets hope that Ron gets to give an address in Cooperstown before he passes away.
  7. allen
    298. Posted by allen Wed Dec 9 5:47pm EST

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    The Veterans Committee should dedicate themselves to getting Gil Hodges and Ron Santo in the Hall. Those two now are the most glowing omissions among the players that are being decided upon by the Vererans Committee and both should be in Copperstown. They were both dominant position players in perspective decades and leagues. I could argue their point for hours but this is just one fans opinion. Poor Gil has been dead for years, but lets hope that Ron gets to give an address in Cooperstown before he passes away.
  8. <i>mtnhophead@...</i>
    297. Posted by mtnhophead@... Wed Dec 9 12:45pm EST

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    thats lame when some umpire gets in before ron santo .the hall sux
  9. Jazzinefx
    296. Posted by Jazzinefx Wed Dec 9 12:05pm EST

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    @295. Posted by BruceB Wed Dec 9 1:51am EST

    Thanks for the correction of Don Larsen. However controversial, we cannot argue that these are the plays that make games, and players remembered. The size of the stage (or game) only INTENSIFIES the remembrances.
  10. BruceB
    295. Posted by BruceB Wed Dec 9 1:51am EST

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    Don Larson threw a perfect game in the world series, not Early Wynn. Yogi Berra still claims Jackie Robinson should have been called out on his steal of home and the video appears to make his point. Sure looks like Berra's glove with the ball in it is on the ground and touching Robinson's foot in front of the plate.

    Robinson's steal of home was in the first game of the 1955 world series, the first series the Dodgers ever won. Gil Hodges drove in the winning run in game 7. He also hit .392 in the Dodgers' other world series championship of the 1950's in 1959.
  11. Jazzinefx
    294. Posted by Jazzinefx Tue Dec 8 10:10pm EST

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    @276. Posted by Moomaw Tue Dec 8 12:55am EST

    While clubs go to the World Series, it is the play of certain players that make the World Series memorable. It is the play of players who create the stats. It is the play of players who DEFINE the very DEFINITION of their POSITIONS. It is certain hitters who DEFINE the definition of hitting, it is certain pitchers, who DEFINE the definition of pitching.

    The bigger the stage, the bigger the game, it is these certain performers who are expected to get the job done. When you get the job done on the GRAND STAGE, it is memorable, it is defining, and it is REMEMBERED!!!

    Who will ever FORGET Jackie Robinson STEALING HOME PLATE against Yogi Berra in the World Series?? Who will forget Brooks Robinson's performance in the World Series?? Who will forget Clemente's MONSTER performance in the World Series??? Who will forget Early Wynn's perfect game in the World Series?? Who will forget Bob Gibson's dominance in the World Series?? Who will forget Sandy Koufax's performances in the World Series?? There are many more, Babe Ruth's called Shot, Reggie Jackson's 3 consecutive home runs, Mazeroski's game-winning Grand Slam, all done in the World Series!!!
    Today, we have the various playoff series, NLDS, NLCS, ALDS, ALCS, and those also are loaded with memorable performances and moments in time!! That's what players get the big bucks for, that's why players are pursued some vehemently, to get the CLUB to the BIG STAGE, and PERFORM well in them!!

    The World Series, though CHANGED, will NEVER become overrated, passe, or irrelevant!! It is the GRAND STAGE of BASEBALL where only the BEST performances are REMEMBERED!!!
  12. Jazzinefx
    292. Posted by Jazzinefx Tue Dec 8 9:45pm EST

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    @279. Posted by Steve Tue Dec 8 4:14am EST

    Clemente didn't die, he was killed!!!
  13. Jazzinefx
    291. Posted by Jazzinefx Tue Dec 8 9:39pm EST

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    290. Posted by GerardM Tue Dec 8 7:58pm EST

    You're a disgrace to baseball!!!
  14. John P
    290. Posted by John P Tue Dec 8 8:40pm EST

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    If this guy was so good, how come it took so long to get into the Hall? Maybe a new committee is needed.
  15. <i>mdelio7@...</i>
    289. Posted by mdelio7@... Tue Dec 8 8:04pm EST

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    I know one thing for sure, you wouldn't tell billy martin to his face any of that hatred your saying. pennant winners out of 5 teams, 5-6 series rings excellent team player, one of the toughest guys to take the field, post season? check his world series play. it might surprise you. how come mickey vernon isn't in the hall yet? later matt.
  16. GerardM
    288. Posted by GerardM Tue Dec 8 7:58pm EST

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    Why is Danny Murtaugh even being nominated ? He was a lousy manager for all those lousy Pirates teams. Of course the question is why is anyone who was ever associated with the Pirates in the Hall ? They've sucked for 124 years so how is that worthy of enshrinement ?
  17. Mark S
    287. Posted by Mark S Tue Dec 8 6:05pm EST

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    Congrats to the White Rat and to San Diego's own Doug Harvey.
  18. E.P.
    286. Posted by E.P. Tue Dec 8 5:14pm EST

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    I can see Blyleven getting in. The two I really want to see inducted are Dawson and Larkin. I've always held a soft spot for Barry Larkin. I just hope he can garner enough votes to stay on the ballot.
  19. Dev
    285. Posted by Dev Tue Dec 8 4:30pm EST

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    How about Bert Blyleven? He has very good numbers-- AND has two rings-- which he won with the Pittburgh Pirates in 1979 and the Minnesota Twins in 1987.
    I think Bert belongs. Who's with me?
  20. Mean1
    284. Posted by Mean1 Tue Dec 8 10:12am EST

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    Guy, read the entire post and quit being a tool.
  21. Guy, ala Fracais rhyming w/ Bee. RaymondGuy
    283. Posted by Guy, ala Fracais rhyming w/ Bee. RaymondGuy Tue Dec 8 10:06am EST

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    "Mean1 Mon Dec 7
    Ok! Ok! Ok! You have convinced me!! I will vote for Santos next time"

    In your fantasy league and fantasy world. Don't forget to wipe the lotion off your palm so you don't stain your fantasy ballot ... D-bag.
  22. John
    282. Posted by John Tue Dec 8 9:57am EST

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    Ron Santo (NOT "SANTOS") belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame! I had the good fortune to interview Santo back in the early 1990's while in radio. A class act both on and off the field, Santo never complained. Just went out every day and did his job. Other third basemen (Brett, Mathews, etc) belong and rightly so but Santo played head and shoulders above them all.
  23. <i>salarycapjones</i>
    281. Posted by salarycapjones Tue Dec 8 9:55am EST

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    276. Posted by Moomaw

    You are so correct. Winning in baseball is by a team, not by one player. If Ernie Banks is a Yankee, he has multiple championships and if Jeter is on the Royals he has none. Its all about money and being in the right place at the right time.
  24. Rinski
    280. Posted by Rinski Tue Dec 8 9:52am EST

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    279. Posted by Steve
    I couldn't have said it better. How is Gil not in the hall?
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