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PHILADELPHIA — I've heard and read more than a few Phillies and Yankees fans going back and forth the past few days about payroll. Should the Yankees wrap up title No. 27 tonight (or sometime this week), that bickering will only continue deep into the offseason.

With a payroll ledger twice the size of Philadelphia, the Yankees certainly enjoy a nice advantage over the World Series opponents (although no one ever mentions that spending all that money hasn't bought them anything since 2000).

Still, I don't think that Phillies fans — which had a team with an opening day payroll of $113 million, good for seventh highest in the league — have much of an argument. That type of beef should be reserved for the Oaklands and Kansas Cities of the world.  

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  1. Bryan V
    1. Posted by Bryan V Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:49 pm EST

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    Angels fan before the series: We own the Yankees
    Angels fan afterward: You guys bought the championship
    Phillies fans are even worse. Or suggesting that the umps are favoring the yankees. Ridiculous.
    Look at what the homegrown talent is doing this world series:
    Jeter .412
    Posada .308
    Pettite 1-0
    Rivera - MVP bound
    Every team the Yanks have faced this postseason has made at least one huge mental error. And Yankees have been steady and hustling and clutch. Lets just all give credit where it's due because the game is won between the lines. Of course money helps. The Yankees continue to sell tickets and merchandise. That's what winning for a century will do. Better than having cheap owners like the Indians do, who give up and throw all their players away to pocket more profit. Steinbrenner is not the richest owner, he's just the richest spender. He bought the team for 9MIL don't forget. Phils are a great team, may the best team win.
  2. Potrod
    2. Posted by Potrod Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:39 pm EST

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    That difference in payroll is worth about an entire rotation of Sabathias.
  3. Jo Bangles
    3. Posted by Jo Bangles Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:48 pm EST

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    Anybody else sick of hearing McCarver root for the Phillies? And what's with the emails they keep reading from viewers in the Philippines?
  4. Nwaf A
    4. Posted by Nwaf A Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:06 pm EST

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    The yankess have been killers and thats that.
    dont [profane] and whine about payroll and umps the yankess are playing yankee baseball this year and its showing.
  5. revelinmyloss05
    5. Posted by revelinmyloss05 Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:10 pm EST

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    First off Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Pettite are old as [profane] in athlete years. They no longer count as homegrown talent because they are legends bound for the HOF. What about this decades homegrown talent? Oh wait, the yanks don't have any! And anyone you name is only famous in NY no one really thinks Melky Cabrera is an All-Star same with Joba. The yankees and the price wars they cause over players is the reason why teams like KC and Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have no chance. Steroids didn't taint baseball it was over paying free agents that did it. The team most consistent with overpaying free agents...drumroll please..... THE new york yankees! There is no parity in the game anymore. If your team doesn't have a payroll over 100million then your chances of winning the World Series is almost impossible. Especially since a player only needs to have a good year before his contract expires and then BOOM! Scott Boras makes teams bid for him until the team with the most money to offer takes him, which usually ends up being the yankees. I hate new york and the system of imbalance they have created. Congratulations on buying a ring it only took nine years and more money than an Obama Stimulous Package to do it.
  6. revelinmyloss05
    6. Posted by revelinmyloss05 Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:10 pm EST

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    First off Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Pettite are old as [profane] in athlete years. They no longer count as homegrown talent because they are legends bound for the HOF. What about this decades homegrown talent? Oh wait, the yanks don't have any! And anyone you name is only famous in NY no one really thinks Melky Cabrera is an All-Star same with Joba. The yankees and the price wars they cause over players is the reason why teams like KC and Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have no chance. Steroids didn't taint baseball it was over paying free agents that did it. The team most consistent with overpaying free agents...drumroll please..... THE new york yankees! There is no parity in the game anymore. If your team doesn't have a payroll over 100million then your chances of winning the World Series is almost impossible. Especially since a player only needs to have a good year before his contract expires and then BOOM! Scott Boras makes teams bid for him until the team with the most money to offer takes him, which usually ends up being the yankees. I hate new york and the system of imbalance they have created. Congratulations on buying a ring it only took nine years and more money than an Obama Stimulous Package to do it.
  7. Mike
    7. Posted by Mike Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:22 pm EST

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    philly people r such losers its hilarious
  8. Mike
    8. Posted by Mike Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:25 pm EST

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    #5 and #6? so your argument is that they are all hall of famers? u must be from philly
  9. revelinmyloss05
    9. Posted by revelinmyloss05 Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:32 pm EST

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    Another thing, you mention that it has been 9 yrs since the yanks last won the World Series. And is that supposed to change the fact that they pay MILLIONS for any and every player in the league? The may not have succeeded in buying a championship but they sure do try to buy them every single year! 9 years is not long at all, what about the cubs? They too attempt to buy a championship but the best they can come up with is Milton Bradley because the yanks already signed everyone else. Last year when the rays made it I was excited because I actually thought baseball was going to prove there was parity. No it was just because the yanks were in rebuild mode which means they were waiting to dump the old free agents and sign the next batch. The farm system in NY is money and not player developement.
  10. Mike L
    10. Posted by Mike L Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:35 pm EST

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    Reve, Cano? Joba? Hughes? Gardner?
    We had Soriano and traded him for A Rod b/c Texas didn't want to have to pay him that much, how's that our fault they signed him to the most inflated deal ever?
    Everyone always complains about how much money we spend, yet we're the ones who have to subsidize teams like the Marlins and the Diamondbacks because they only draw 3-8 thousand fans a game. Yet nobody had any problem when we lost to them in the World Series. Nobody was complaining then.
    Find a new reason to whine.
  11. shark
    11. Posted by shark Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:43 pm EST

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    rollins said they would win in 5 he must of ment to say is he would finaly get a hit in game 5
  12. revelinmyloss05
    12. Posted by revelinmyloss05 Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:44 pm EST

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    I am not from philly. And my argument isn't that they are hall of famers. It is that the yankees TRY TO BUY A CHAMPIONSHIP EVERY YEAR! I was just trying to give credit to those players because they are the only remnants of the great yankee teams of the 90's and they are home grown. Since 2000 the modus operandi of NY has been to buy every free agent so that no one else could get them in order to secure a playoff appearance. Where is the yankees FARM SYSTEM NOW!? 9 years is not long at all. What about teams who haven't been to the World Series in 20 or more years? What about KC, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Florida oh hell the entire MLB! The yanks are not a team! They are all-star mercenaries put together so that you ungrateful NY fans can piss and moan about not winning it all every year. I am just a fan of the game that hates the yanks for creating the real reason people don't care about baseball. It wasn't steroids it was over payed free agents and large market teams that tainted baseball. I mean if you didn't watch baseball when every game had copius home runs then you are not American.
  13. revelinmyloss05
    13. Posted by revelinmyloss05 Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:48 pm EST

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    Besides Hughs all the others are far from being All Stars. Joba is only famous for looking like a fat T-Rex when he gets a K.
  14. Kevin
    14. Posted by Kevin Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:57 pm EST

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    #1: HUGE mental error, you mean like two runners on 3rd base but not on the base and the angels catcher tags them both and only one is called out...kinda like that????
  15. Bob Loblaw
    15. Posted by Bob Loblaw Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 pm EST

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    You don't think an extra 90MM is much of an argument? Stick to hockey.......actually, you have more than your share of shortcomings in that department as well! Reserved for the Oaklands and KCs? Funny that you take the 21st and 26th highest payrolls and not the bottom two......since the Royals is twice that of the Marlins?! What is read cannot be unread. You owe me two minutes of my life back.
  16. smartfun1999
    16. Posted by smartfun1999 Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:30 pm EST

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    The NY Yankees are killing baseball. The usual nimrods think a $200 million plus team full of All Stars is "great" for the sport. Why, when they come to your town it's a sellout! Oooo, wow....Kansas City is SO gratefull to get 3 sellouts a year from the Yankees. I guess they'll just forget about the other 78 home games and the fact that they can never get anywhere when a few teams at the top suck up all the talent (the Yanks most of all). Oh well, according to Yankee fans, if you can't get your own gazillion dollar TV network it's your own fault.
    The notion of one team with a payroll of $200- 225 million competing against a league where the average is something like $60-80 million is absurd. It's like this- if the Yankees do win, it's not an acheivement AT ALL because that financial advantage makes it darn near a certainity that you should win. When they don't win it all it's simply a small measure of justice.
  17. Bob Loblaw
    17. Posted by Bob Loblaw Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:36 pm EST

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    "That difference in payroll is worth about an entire rotation of Sabathias." NICE. Or about 15 Cliff Lees!! Yeah, nothing to gripe about there "Duk".
  18. Bob Loblaw
    18. Posted by Bob Loblaw Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:44 pm EST

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    That they have spent poorly over the last several years (since 2000) makes it better how? They could take a cue from a real NY owner, the late Wellington Mora, former owner of the NY Giants. He was the main reason that the NFL has surpassed MLB in relevance. Even as someone who despises the vaGiants, you have to admire that, an owner who looks at the bigger picture. Novel thought. Meanwhile, the brainiacs build a stadium that nobody can afford, let alone the blue collar family fans......the front rows, the best seats were half empty all season. Nice.
  19. Michael H
    19. Posted by Michael H Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:10 am EST

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    Bryan...I don't know how many Angels fans you THINK you've talked to...but *I* for one, do NOT assume the Yankees BOUGHT the World Series if they win it. Stop assuming that's what every other team's fanbase assumes when they play the Yankees or see the Yankees win. Just enjoy and shut up, will you?!
  20. Handsome Pete
    20. Posted by Handsome Pete Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:25 am EST

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    If baseball were actually about winning and losing, then what the Yankees do is OK. I wouldn't expect McDonald's to stop spending, expanding, and swallowing up the competition! But if McDonald's were in a "league" of fast food chains in which the objective was to have competition and keep all the seats full in all restaurants, then I would expect there to be a rule in place that limited how much advertising/spending they could do.
    There is no such restriction on the Yankees, much to the chagrin of the rest of the league. The bottom line is, the purpose of baseball is NOT winning and losing anymore, it's filling the seats of stadiums, it's making money from its fans, it's providing entertainment to masses of people. The Yankees are like the Romans in the Colisseum, though - they can just toy with whoever comes their way, and people (for now) are having fun watching them tease other teams before finally mauling them. But the time will come when no one cares anymore.
    Look what has happened in the past 2 decades. Free agency has raised player salaries. This has given players more allegiance to personal stats, and less to teams and fans. The result? Competition is fiercer, players have more at stake, and steroids have pervaded the sport. After all, juicing yourself could make the difference between multimillions and a job at the local grocery store!
    So the huge salaries drive up ticket prices, but also take something out of the game for fans, who have to cheer for new players every year if they want to remain loyal to "their team." But one positive spinoff in all of this has been fantasy sports... now we can create our own teams, our own competition, and have personal stakes in the outcomes of not just one game, but all of them! It means I don't honestly care if the Yankees win or not, because I won my fantasy championship this year with only Cano from the Yanks... the rest of my team was studs from teams who didn't win it all. But it don't matter.
    I hate the Yankees and their liberal spending, but I'm also not about to cry about it... I will rejoice, though, if/when they choke yet again this year!
  21. Mike L
    21. Posted by Mike L Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:25 am EST

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    The thing I love most about this is, nobody's crying about the Red Sox, 2nd highest payroll. They bought Ortiz, they bought Ramirez, they bought Dice K and Schilling...
    You mean to tell me they'd have 2 WS rings if they didn't go out and get all those players?
    They paid $50 million just so they could NEGOTIATE with Dice K, they signed him for another $50 million!!! Nobody's whining about that are they?!
    You're all a bunch of hypocrites and the Yankees are good for baseball, how else are teams that draw 3,000 a game supposed to keep a team? You put a salary cap in baseball and you'll start getting talks of contracting teams again.
    Remember that? When the Expos, Twins, and Marlins were on the chopping block? Everyone cried out and payed attention.
    Revenue sharing is all that's keeping some of these teams afloat and if the Yankees weren't selling 4 million tickets at ridiculously high prices all year, your beloved KCs and Pittsburghs would be dead and gone. So would Oakland. So would Florida. Washington goes bye bye. San Diego would be dismantled and so there all your parity goes right out the window with these teams that can't draw a crowd and all that's left are the teams that were already well off in the first place.
    Congratulations your idea has accomplished nothing. The Diamondbacks WON the world series, the Rockies made a huge run to get there in 07, the Marlins WON the worlds series TWICE. Don't discount the little guy as a loser because there are teams with low payrolls that can compete, because it's been proven that they can.
  22. Blockbuster
    22. Posted by Blockbuster Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:37 am EST

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    The imbalance in baseball has been a joke for decades now with over two thirds of the league having basically no chance every year. It's not a matter of whining, it's a simple fact that when you have a few teams as the only real bidders for all-star free agents and high-priced foreign stars it doesn't matter what gm does what or what team manages their organization the best. Sure, some teams are run better than others and occassionally a small/mid payroll team will reach the postseason or more rarely will win the world series, but for the most part it's nighty-night for everyone but a few teams. It's not about hating the yankees or anyone else, if you like the system the way it is now then good for you. For me, the imbalanced system makes the major leagues boring and closer to the harlem globetrotter/washington generals than real competition. I love the game of baseball itself, I've played it most of my life, but I tuned out the major leagues for this reason years ago and until the system changes I will continue to exercise my right to financially boycott it.
  23. Bosoxinny
    23. Posted by Bosoxinny Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:42 am EST

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    Wow. A payroll ledger TWICE the size of the Phillies? Yankee boys should be ROLLING over these guys. But they're not. Huh.

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