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We still have about 20 or so nails to drive for this season's teams, but is it too early to start working on The Nail in the Coffin for your 2009 Seattle Mariners?

Snakebit by spending $118 million for an '08 team that could potentially lose 100 games (85 and counting), M's team president Chuck Armstrong has already said the team will not pursue any big-ticket free agents who could help them next season.

From the Seattle Times:

In short, no big-name free-agents. Forget Mark Teixeira, or C.C. Sabathia. No Ken Griffey Jr. either, I assume, though Armstrong only mentioned Teixeira and Sabathia specifically.

This team is changing its ways. Armstrong says he wants "a comprehensive plan'' from any prospective GM on how this team can thrive for years to come. No more putting all the team's eggs in one basket and going for it year-to-year. This could be a long process.

Armstrong insists he has not given up on 2009. But if this team is to contend next year, it will be largely with the group already here and possibly some minor signings. There could very well be some coming trades, but it will be for players bringing "value'' back. That can often mean younger players, sometimes years away from helping a team contend. So, if Jeff Clement turns into a 30-homer guy, Brandon Morrow excels in the rotation and Erik Bedard shows Cy Young form for an entire season, the M's could contend. But they won't be doing it by adding Teixeira's bat at first base.

Makes you want to run out and put a deposit on '09 season tickets, doesn't it Seattle fans?

I'm not opposed to the Mariners reinventing themselves and becoming a team that efficiently spends money instead of throwing it at Carlos Silva when everyone else knows that's a bad idea.

However that's going to take some time and it's going to take the right general manager.

Armstrong hasn't yet named a permanent replacement for the fired Bill Bavasi, so all that time he'll save on wooing free agents should go toward getting a candidate who knows his or her way around building a minor league system.

If the M's are going the cheap route, they'll need just that.

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  1. Dmitri
    1. Posted by Dmitri Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    Only if they can figure out something to do with Johjima....BAD signing. We have some decent young guys that we need to see if they can play or not. And I am tired of seeing them spend the money on these guys, and they suck. I would love to see Johnson playing catcher more often....IF he can hold his own at the plate.
  2. ZoinksScoob
    2. Posted by ZoinksScoob Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

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    For once, we can't blame something on Bavasi. The Johjima signing was 100% Lincoln and Armstrong... it was an ownership move. Since Nintendo is the owner of the Mariners, re-signing a Japanese player made sense... to them. That being said, the guy was hitting well under .200 at the time, and is at the age where catchers typically begin to break down, so it was not a well-advised move.
    That being said, I'm shocked and actually glad to hear Armstrong say what he did. He's absolutely right about how the Mariners need to reshape their team. Their farm system is not filled with solutions (that's Bavasi's fault), and stopgap free agents aren't the answer either. They need to start cleaning out the closet of the bad contracts (Washburn, Batista, etc.) and move on to a "healthier" way of building a franchise... which is a fancy way of saying rebuilding. It's long overdue.
    They probably won't be able to re-sign Ibanez, but by losing him, Sexson and Vidro, that's almost $27 million freed up right there. That's money that will take care of arbitration and contractual raises, but a lot of it needs to go into the farm system. We'll have a high first round draft pick next year (somewhere between 1 and 4), so the going rate is now $6 million for a signing bonus for one of them, and it had better be a power hitter, since we don't have any of those in the system. We'll also get picks for losing Ibanez, so this is an important year coming up.
    Pelekoudas will obviously NOT be the GM next year... otherwise, he would have been allowed to trade Washburn away. That will come soon enough, but it will probably be the next GM's job. John Hart has been mentioned as being interested in the Seattle job, and he would be a good fit. Look at what he did in Cleveland... that's a good resume to bring for a situation like this.
    Mariners fans may not want to hear it, but this team needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up and the sky down. I'm not sure Armstrong will even be around to put his plan in place... rumor has it that Pat Gillick will return to the M's as president once he retires from Philly. But either man should recognize the fact that for the Mariners to return to long-term viability, they will have to go through some short-term misery.
  3. Fitzy
    3. Posted by Fitzy Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:45 pm EDT

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    I am sorry, but if you can afford to add Texiera at 1st base... you should try to do it. He is entering or in his prime... not a oft injured Richie Sexson type who was already in a slide when they signed him to a big contract. He has been consistant over the last 5 years as well. He is the kind of player that could get you alot more wins a year with just his bat and leadership.
  4. nate
    4. Posted by nate Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:46 pm EDT

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    I think we should focus on getting a starting pitcher that can actually win 10 games this is a joke silva 12 million a season my god waive him!! Washburn and batista are done they have been miserable all year it is so frustrating that they keep putting them on the mound!! I like felix , bedard if he can stay healthy , morrow, rowland smith, fierabrand or dickey . Get rid of johjima he's washes up have clement or rob johnson behind the plate, i like lahair at first just needs more experience, lopez at second betancourt at short beltre at third ichiro in right balentin in center and ibanez in left who will probably be gone so reed in center or left. But still need a power hitter somewhere in the lineup who can hit 35 to 40 homeruns gotta figure it out somehow. I have the faith in this team!!
  5. Mike Mendoza
    5. Posted by Mike Mendoza Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:10 pm EDT

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    I think Shawn Johnson should have won the gold!
  6. MichaelR
    6. Posted by MichaelR Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:00 pm EDT

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    armstrong should be the first to go. as long as he and lincoln are there we're in a lot of trouble
  7. Col Temp
    7. Posted by Col Temp Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm EDT

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    Also, not mentioned. Trade Ichiro. Yeah I like the guy, he still has some speed but it is obvious he has lost a step or two. How much longer until those infield hits all become outs. Use the trade to rebuild the farm system.
    Belte, is similar. Like the glove. Like the fact he is actually doing something this year when it doesn't matter. Where was he after that fat pay check over the last few years.
    While its nice to have a power hitter. I'll take someone who hits for average with some power. this is one place I would keep ichiro. Just think it Seattle could actually have two or three guys in the line up everyday that actually routinely hit over 300!
    Bavasi, good riddance. Including Sexson. What took them sooooo long. Like that manager but it took way to long to pass him on. He was not the kind of manager Seattle needed this year
  8. yjfcg
    8. Posted by yjfcg Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:20 pm EDT

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    Why didn't the mariners do the reds a favor and trade for griffey. at least the reds always have the royals and you mariners to compete with for the top pick
  9. Fed Up
    9. Posted by Fed Up Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:40 pm EDT

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    ARMSTRONG IS THE PROBLEM!! All stupid decisions that have led to the current situation have been made under his "leadership". The annual All-Star teams are a veritable Whos Who of EX- Mariners. He has remained at the helm because of those memorable, though FEW, good seasons. Seattle fans need to stop reminiscing about those years and demand new voices to lead this team - from the top down.
  10. Robert F
    10. Posted by Robert F Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:38 pm EDT

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    Well first i watch every mariner game till i get so discusted at the way they play. younger is a good idea but you still need veteran players to help guide the young. raul ibanyez ( sp) dont trade or loose him ,he is the best player on the team, they let him go before and they paid for it. we need a new first base, new pitching,etc.dump that cry baby bedard i could go on but theres no use management will sit on there hands and watch all the good players go to other teams*****

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