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I've seen some suggestions here in Chicago and around the blogosphere that it was GM Kenny Williams who decided to give up on the White Sox season with Monday night's trades of Jim Thome(notes) and Jose Contreras(notes). Some people even seem to be on the verge of calling him a quitter. 

But let's get something straight here: It was the White Sox players who inflicted all of the white flag-raising damage on themselves.

Williams is only guilty of a mercy killing — if he in fact killed a team by shedding two veterans who were on their way out anyway.. 

Having gone 11-17 in August and having lost eight of their last nine, the White Sox haven been broadcasting a clear message that they no longer want to be considered a contender for the AL Central title. Yes, they still stand only six games behind the leading Tigers, but the late-summer collapse has allowed the Twins to transform their selves into another pesky hurdle. Meanwhile, Chicago's odds of making the postseason — as projected by Baseball Prospectus — have fallen so far that not even a gambler of Williams' stature was ready to pull the lever for another month.  

This being the South Side of Chicago, there's a natural inclination to compare Monday's cutting with the infamous White Flag trade in 1997. The comparison, however, ends with the locale. The 1997 White Sox were only 3.5 games behind Cleveland with two full months left in the season when they shipped two starters (Wilson Alvarez and Danny Darwin) and their closer (Roberto Hernandez(notes)) to San Francisco. This most recent move involved two aging dinosaurs — one relatively useful, one completely not — that will be free agents after the season. Jim Thome's a surefire Hall of Famer, but he's past the point in his career when trading him could be considered apocalyptic. Were the White Sox's postseason hopes riding squarely on his shoulders? No.

As for those itching to label Williams' pricey acquisitions of Jake Peavy(notes) and Alex Rios(notes) as abject failures, here's a reminder that both moves were also made with an eye toward future years. They could very well end up to be huge mistakes, but they can't be labeled as such after the rest of the team sputtered once the season got to sprint status.    

If anyone wants to argue that having Thome and Contreras around for the season's final 30 days was infinitely more valuable than the two prospects they got in return or any possible dollars they'll save for next year, I'm willing to listen. Heck, I'm even open to the idea that keeping Thome was worth saving face with the rest of Major League Baseball, even though prospect Tyler Flowers might now have a chance to get some major league reps. 

But when it comes to what Kenny Williams did last night, I think it's pretty clear that the writing was on the wall and Williams just went ahead and acknowledged it. Where's the harm in that?

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  1. Kevin D
    1. Posted by Kevin D Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    Hynick was the California League pitcher of the year two years ago when playing for single A Modesto with 17 wins and a 3.15 ERA or so (don't have stats in front of me). He threw a perfect game this year in June. Although his win-loss is not spectacular (10-9 or something) his ERA is under 4 in the high altitude (colorado springs). All that Chicago gave up for him was a washed up has been pitcher. I think this trade will work out good for them in the long run.
    The other trade for Thome to me is kind of a headscratcher. I was also suprised that the Dodgers were so interested considering they also have James Looney. Is Thome going to be used as a pinch hitter and that is all? I just thought that they maybe could have gotten a little more for Thome, although I suppose I could be wrong. He may just be a two month rental for the Dodgers.
  2. justjc
    2. Posted by justjc Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    The harm is that the team didn't sputter until Rios came aboard and jacked everything up. The Sox were in contention until Kenny injected that cancer into the clubhouse. Proven veterans were suddenly sitting so a spoiled kid with a .179 BA could play everyday. Dye's slump coincides with Rios's signing just like he slumped in 07 when he believed he would be let go. Taking Quentin out of the lineup to squeeze Alex in is also just insane. Rios deprived Thome of at bats since DH needed to be rotated to accomodate Rios and his amazing astral bat. Kenny did bring this on the Sox when he picked up that POS and ruined the clubhouse chemistry of a team that was contending. It's the right move to let Thome go now, but that is only because Kenny made the wrong move by bringing Rios in first. Contreras should have been dealt or waived more than a month ago, so Kenny is late on that one. Carlos Torres would have won half the games Contreras blew while Kenny prayed for a resurgence everyone but him knew would never come. Okay, maybe the D-bags don't see it either. This is all Kenny's fault. Now he is just cleaning up his own sheet.
  3. justjc
    3. Posted by justjc Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    That should have been the rockies, not the D-bags being blind on Jose.
  4. Phil M
    4. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

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    justjc,
    You guys haven't gained any ground since the rios trade, but you haven't lost any ground either...Face it, your team maxed out in July. It happens.
  5. Phil M
    5. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

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    justjc,
    You guys haven't gained any ground since the rios trade, but you haven't lost any ground either...Face it, your team maxed out in July. It happens.
  6. ChristineL
    6. Posted by ChristineL Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:58 pm EDT

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    kenny should be fired
  7. Phil M
    7. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    Sorry just, you guys were 2 games out on 8/11 and you're 6 games out on 9/1... that'd be, what, a game a week lost? Detroit isn't playing well either, so you have that going for you.
    The White Sox were a flawed team this year... But I will never understand the Rios pickup, he's over-paid
  8. justjc
    8. Posted by justjc Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    We had a player just like him in Brian Anderson that we dumped. Great defense and can't bat to save his life. Anderson only cost a little over league minimum. I guess Kenny just missed Brian and decided to spend the farm on getting someone not quite as good defensively and actually worse offensively. Way to go Kenny.
  9. justjc
    9. Posted by justjc Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:17 pm EDT

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    Phil, the fact that we have only fallen to six games back from two after Rios triggered the disastrous play we have been forced to endure the last few weeks only shows how takeable our division was if Kenny hadn't gone and jacked it up. If we could have just kept the playing pace pre-rios, a lot of those Detroit losses would have brought us closer instead of merely keeping us from falling embarrassingly behind like our play has merited. We might even be leading the division the way Detroit has played. Keny not only raised the white flag, he sewed it together, built the pole, and practically autographed it before the raising.
  10. slap monkey
    10. Posted by slap monkey Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:26 pm EDT

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    To the fool called justjc, your lame, blame others for the fact that they have not hit, and done this before. how stupid that a person will blame rios for the fact that jermaine dye sucks,,, and has fallen again on his face like the second half of last year again.. heel , for being paid over 10-12 million to perform,and hit, field etc. jermaine struck out again, i hope he takes the first boxcar out of here, since watching him perform the second half, and blaming others for his obvios failings , makes your comments and you look like a big, hot steamy, turd.... and that's being nice about it , you idiot...........................................................................
  11. Juan
    11. Posted by Juan Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:02 pm EDT

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    The Jose trade was a blessing. It should have happened a long time ago. Thome although a class act is a one dimensional player who had to be moved, I have never been a fan of players who can't play the field. Rios was a perplexing move, a sure miss fire on Kenny's part. Sox fans cannot blame Kenny for getting rid of these guys, blame him for the Rios move..sure. But the Sox can only blame themselves. There is no intensity in their eyes and deserve to lose. I love the team not the players. The writing is on the wall....if they don't fit than ship them out. They should be disappointed in themselves.
  12. ttohpod
    12. Posted by ttohpod Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:48 pm EDT

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    so Thominator, is that your real jaw or is it abnormally Jay Lenoish due to HGH and roids? I just read a comment by Thome that he will do "whatever the team (LA) needs" but "playing first base is not an option." I think this makes as much sense as when thome bolted Cleveland for Philly via free agency and said "its not about the money." If it was up to me Thome would never make the hall of fame.
  13. WATCH OUT
    13. Posted by WATCH OUT Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    where are all of the people that thought that Alex Rios coming to the sox was a great thing. i said he sucked back then and now I am proving right. Kenny was a fool to claim him and let the jays off the hook for that contract. Any time they show Kennys face at the Rogers center the fans should cheer. Rios is a player that teases you, he looks like a superstar but never gets there. People on here thought that when he got around Ozzie he was going to change.
  14. WATCH OUT
    14. Posted by WATCH OUT Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    where are all of the people that thought that Alex Rios coming to the sox was a great thing. i said he sucked back then and now I am proving right. Kenny was a fool to claim him and let the jays off the hook for that contract. Any time they show Kennys face at the Rogers center the fans should cheer. Rios is a player that teases you, he looks like a superstar but never gets there. People on here thought that when he got around Ozzie he was going to change.
  15. Eric F
    15. Posted by Eric F Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    ttohpod,
    Well,its not up to you now is it dou** bag.
  16. Moe L
    16. Posted by Moe L Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:00 pm EDT

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    WOw... interesting that many say Rios screwed up the chemistry. Thas a pretty interesting hypothesis which probably has some merit.
  17. L G
    17. Posted by L G Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:45 pm EDT

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    They got no one for Thome. A 230 hitter at A ball.
  18. Kerry K
    18. Posted by Kerry K Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:36 pm EDT

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    I agree with the main point of this post. I watched or listened to every minute of the White Sox series here at Yankee Stadium and that team was not able or willing to play with the focus and effort we now expect from teams competing in the AL East. They looked half asleep. Jose Contreras is not an effective major league pitcher at this time and may not be again. His manager was openly disrespectful to him in the dugout and publicly stated he did not want him to start for the team again. Jim Thome is only effective at this phase of his career in a true pinch hitter capacity, like Moose Skowron or Smokey Burgess, and that's how Torre will use him, maybe also as a DH in the Series. Thome is potentially much more useful in that role for the Dodgers than with the White Sox, and not many teams would think or could afford to fine tune their roster to that degree for the postseason. So it was an advantageous trading moment for the Sox with a limited window of opportunity.
  19. Kerry K
    19. Posted by Kerry K Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:36 pm EDT

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    I agree with the main point of this post. I watched or listened to every minute of the White Sox series here at Yankee Stadium and that team was not able or willing to play with the focus and effort we now expect from teams competing in the AL East. They looked half asleep. Jose Contreras is not an effective major league pitcher at this time and may not be again. His manager was openly disrespectful to him in the dugout and publicly stated he did not want him to start for the team again. Jim Thome is only effective at this phase of his career in a true pinch hitter capacity, like Moose Skowron or Smokey Burgess, and that's how Torre will use him, maybe also as a DH in the Series. Thome is potentially much more useful in that role for the Dodgers than with the White Sox, and not many teams would think or could afford to fine tune their roster to that degree for the postseason. So it was an advantageous trading moment for the Sox with a limited window of opportunity.
  20. Kevin K
    20. Posted by Kevin K Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:48 pm EDT

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    salary dump. had to be done tbh
  21. novice
    21. Posted by novice Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:37 am EDT

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    The Rios pickup had little to do with this slide. When Kenny traded Javier for Flowers, the expectations for this team were very low. Some even picked the Sox to finish last. It looked that way as the season rolled on until Gordon was called up. His bat injected new life in this team & the Sox looked like contenders.
    Then the break came, & for whatever reason the bullpen fell apart. Everyone but Thorton seemed to fall off the wagon. Even Jenks seemed incapable of a hold/save. Pena & Williams couldn't change that. The bullpen loses start piling up with the tough loses. That sucked the life out of the team.
    The bullpen has been Kenny's demise since 2005. He spent $10M on Dotel & $16M on Linebrink to improve it, & those moves have failed. It's obvious that both the Tigers & Twins have much better bullpens than the Sox. You can't even dream of contending if you don't have one of the better bullpens in the league.
    Sox fans need to stop kidding themselves & that includes Kenny. The Sox have one of the worst bullpens in the AL right now. That is the #1 need of this team going into 2010. The Sox don't have the $ to spend on proven talent there so they'll have to roll the dice on youth or veterans coming off bad yrs. That was the formula in 2005 & lady luck smiled on Kenny. Let's hope she's warming up to him for 2010.
  22. novice
    22. Posted by novice Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:44 am EDT

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    I think the thing I hate the most is when faces lump on Ozzie because he takes a starter or reliever out. Their are still some who believe in the days when pitchers threw 130 pitches or more in a game. Those days are long since past. These guys make too much money now. Every manager follows the same premise: a starter has a 100 pitch limit. After that you can stretch him maybe 1 inning more. With relievers it's typically 3 innings or 50 pitches, whichever comes first. After that the guys got to have a day of rest before he can be used again. If he can avg just 30 pitches a game, you can use him 3 days straight before giving him a day of rest.
    That means you need at least 4 guys getting the job done in the bullpen. Between Thorton & Jenks the Sox have about 1.5. That's awful & it has nothing to do with Ozzie.
  23. boyd
    23. Posted by boyd Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:35 pm EDT

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    The Peavy trade was our undoing for this year. We lost two young, fresh arms that were capable in the bullpen and as starters. It ended up over-taxing the bullpen staff because they had to clean up after 4-inning Jose All the time. Add that to the fact we had multiple series' with offensive powerhouses like LA, Boston, and New York and your have a recipie for disaster.
  24. Chris S
    24. Posted by Chris S Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    hey, there's nothing wrong with any of this. now there's two teams in chicago that shouldn't be taken seriously.

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