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Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:49 pm EDT

Five and Fly: Apocalypse prediction

That was quite a rant by Florida Marlins president David Samson, who enlivened the apparently imminent Ichiro Suzuki extension by calling it, "the end of the world as we know it," on Dan Le Batard's radio show yesterday.

Of course, Samson knows an apocalypse when he sees one, having stripped down the Marlins and canned the NL Manager of the Year in the middle of it, and every time you turn on a Marlins home game there's about 18 people in the crowd.

"It'll take the sport down, that contract," Samson vented. "Right back to the ridiculous contracts. It can't be."

In case he'd been too vague, Samson went on to call the contract "a joke" and "inexcusable," then accused the Seattle Mariners of "mismanagement."

Insiders put Ichiro's extension at about $18 million per over five years, so middle-of-the-order money for leadoff-hitter production, and for a speed player whose legs will be going on 39 when the contract is done.

Overpriced? Yeah, probably.

But, this wasn't entirely a baseball decision. Chairman Howard Lincoln and Executive VP/General Counsel Bart Waldman are said to have handled these negotiations, start to finish, with barely a word to the organization's baseball people. Clearly, upper management considers Ichiro – even a potentially declining Ichiro – to be critical as the face of the organization moving forward.

And while the timing of the extension is curious, coming shortly after the resignation of manager Mike Hargrove, Ichiro and Hargrove had worked well together recently after a couple tense seasons.

From Ichiro's standpoint, it had to help that the Mariners have rallied from three consecutive last-place finishes to be the surprise team of the American League, with a payroll over $100 million, and with some good young players – Yuniesky Betancourt, Jose Lopez, even countryman Kenji Johjima – locked up for more seasons.

Asked this week about breaking the culture of losing in the Pacific Northwest, Ichiro said, "At this point, this team right now, I don't expect that kind of mentality."

Up next, the organization likely will approach Felix Hernandez about a multi-year contract that would take him at last through his arbitration years.

Wait 'til Sampson gets a load of that.

FIVE …

Mike Piazza's stay in Oakland doesn't look like it's going to end well for somebody. Piazza has been ready to resume his DH job for two or three weeks. But, the A's are holding that place in the lineup for Jack Cust while trying to revive Piazza's throwing shoulder, which probably is futile. Piazza's one-year, $8.5-million contract lacks a no-trade clause, but GM Billy Beane promised he'd clear a trade with the Piazza camp if it came to that. Well, it's come to that, and Piazza is eager to restart his season with a contending AL club. He'd work in Minnesota, where the Twins have gotten a league-low three home runs along with 35 RBI and a .656 OPS out of their DH spot, in Anaheim, the site of the Shea Hillenbrand disaster, in New York, assuming the Yankees don't take their own flier on Hillenbrand, and perhaps even Boston, depending on the results of David Ortiz's MRI. If the A's don't move on it now, Piazza could clear waivers in August and be moved then.

Mark Teixeira, who figures to be back at first base when the Texas Rangers open their second half Friday in Anaheim, continues to position himself as the most attractive commodity on the trade market leading to the July 31 deadline. He's healthy again, he's controllable (contract-wise) for another season-and-a-half, and he's disgruntled, the Triple Crown of See Ya Laters. The inconsistency here is where Teixeira rails against the Rangers for spending another season "at the bottom of the league," according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, because of their failure to acquire top-end (read: expensive) talent, while being eager to get into a Michael Young-like extension: "My ears are always open." So, apparently, he'll live with the losses as long as he's paid better for them. Though his glove and bat were a couple of things they had going for them, the Rangers finished in third or fourth place every season with Teixeira in the lineup.

• Rick Down and Kevin Seitzer have something in common with a Hall of Famer. They joined Eddie Murray as fired first-half hitting coaches, the former two becoming All-Star-break casualties of under-productive offenses. The New York Mets' attack has operated largely without Carlos Delgado (Down paid for that) and Moises Alou, and the rotation is held together with whatever Rick Peterson could find in his tackle box. Still, the New York Mets have put up 48 wins, Delgado can't swing and miss like this forever (can he?) and Pedro Martinez is coming. Less publicized, the Arizona Diamondbacks whacked Seitzer, which would not have happened had the young 'Backs put up numbers in the first half. Seitzer was three months into his first professional gig. Rick Schu, an organizational man for 10 years, takes over there. GM Josh Byrnes believed Seitzer would be the perfect fit, considering some of Seitzer's best seasons as a hitter came in his mid-20s. When Seitzer batted .323 as a rookie in 1987, he finished sixth in AL batting, behind Wade Boggs, Paul Molitor, Alan Trammell, Kirby Puckett and Don Mattingly.

Barry Zito pitched the San Francisco Giants' final game of the first half, put up his ninth loss and four more innings of 20-something pitches each, and won't get the ball again until Tuesday in Chicago. That's eight days between starts, but the Giants are reaching for anything that might settle Zito, who has been their ace in name and contract alone. Giants baseball people believe Zito, the laid-back one, has taken to over-analyzing every little failure, which could take some time. Zito has one quality start and no wins since June 4.

• The Bay Area grand jury thought to be considering a perjury indictment against Barry Bonds could have its term expire any day, meaning there could be news on that front shortly. This might explain why Bud Selig has refused to commit to attending Nos. 755 and/or 756 or an affair at AT&T Park honoring Bonds. If no action is taken by the grand jury, don't be surprised if Selig shows up.

… AND FLY

The Las Vegas Review Journal reports Sammy Sosa spent his All-Star break not pondering why Michael Young – and not he – was in San Francisco, but in Vegas attending a Cirque du Soleil thing. The paper adds this beauty: "In previous trips to Las Vegas, Sosa has gone by the alias of 'Maximo Ali.'"

Oh.

While covering the NBA, I once spent an entire afternoon attempting to reach a player in his hotel room, having to ask the operator on at least seven occasions to connect me to "Dark Chocolate."

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  1. JeffC
    1. Posted by JeffC Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:30 pm EDT

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    Ichiro is worth the money...Maybe not for his on field value, but for his value as ticket and merchandise seller here and in Japan.
    Of course on the field he is still worth 10-12 million a year...then throw in the economics and there you have it.
  2. rocky63215
    2. Posted by rocky63215 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    Ichiro isn't worth anything oh look at me I can hit a single. Maybe randomly steal a base with the speed he has. Hmmmmmm If you wanted a player to give that money too with similar speed it would be Jose Reyes at least he plays hard and wants to win. Where Ichiro doesn't even care.
  3. Evan
    3. Posted by Evan Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

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    Sure, it's from a homer website, but the argument that the Ichiro contract is a worthwhile investment is interesting (and I think sound)
    http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/
  4. William
    4. Posted by William Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:57 pm EDT

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    Wow, he must have really gone nuts when he heard about the Alfonso Soriano deal!
  5. anthony m
    5. Posted by anthony m Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:04 pm EDT

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    Ichiro hasnt proved anything to deserve that money, so what he gets hits, but the Mariners dont win maybe if they can make the post season for once then they can pay some of there players that have got them there money but nope they havent done anything .
  6. Terry M
    6. Posted by Terry M Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    Ichiro is that team to that city and his marketing over seas makes the deal worth it.
  7. aramalian
    7. Posted by aramalian Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    Take a look at Seattle's financial statements, people. How much more money are they making from the Asian market because they have Ichiro and Johjima on the roster? WAY more than what they're paying him.
    Baseball is business, and it takes the revenue that Ichiro generates to pay the salaries of Sexson, Beltre, and other underproducing stars.
    And anyone who thinks that Ichiro doesn't play hard is simply a moron. Ichiro doesn't ACT. He doesn't jog a couple steps and then sprint to make Web Gems. He NEVER takes the wrong route to a ball. He doesn't look like he is playing hard for the exact same reason that Joe DiMaggio didn't look like he was playing hard. They both believed it was a point of honor to play the game right, to play the game well, and to make it look effortless.
    Ichiro is one of the 10 best players in the game today, period. He hits for average, he runs, he throws, he plays stellar defense, and he can hit for power the exact same way that Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn could hit for power. Jose Reyes isn't half the pure hitter that Ichiro is.
  8. qua sars ku nk
    8. Posted by qua sars ku nk Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:27 pm EDT

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    If you don't watch Ichiro on a regular basis, you have no idea what this player brings to the a team. He is one of the most consistent players in the game, and while the money they pay players nowadays can never be justified, the amount the organization will gain in revenue and other fields of team sales can justify the money. If you think homeruns/rbi's are the only categories worth throwing money at, you don't know much about the game of baseball.
  9. swheat2000
    9. Posted by swheat2000 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    lmao...Maximo Ali...it would be funny if fans started chanting Maximo! Maximo! during Sosa at bats
  10. Terry M
    10. Posted by Terry M Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:42 pm EDT

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    Ichiro is that team to that city and his marketing over seas makes the deal worth it.
  11. foodluver
    11. Posted by foodluver Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    Jose Reyes arguably the fastest guy in baseball who chooses when he wants to run out his groundouts and you're supposed to make me believe he's the hardest working guy in baseball? Whatever.
  12. Hawk
    12. Posted by Hawk Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:05 pm EDT

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    The Mariners will profit 500% from signing Suzuki. Anyone who can't see this doesn't know anything about baseball and/or marketing, let alone keeping a star who never complains and doesn't cheat but still bats better than 99.99% of all major league players and wins gold gloves as often as the marlins lose. I suppose they should let him go the way of Johnson, Griffey, Rodriquez. Yea, those moves were real smart. At least they are learning, unlike that rediculous idiot in flori "duh". By the way, what is the marlins record? What a moron.
  13. Saro G
    13. Posted by Saro G Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    Samson is a moron. Can't wait till 2010 when the Marlins are homeless.
  14. juliakbarnes
    14. Posted by juliakbarnes Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    Ichiro is a magician with the bat (wand). His stye of hitting (not slugging) will influence young baseball players (kids) to such an extent that it ultimately will change the face of the game.
  15. rocky63215
    15. Posted by rocky63215 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:47 pm EDT

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    He didn't run out to ground balls big deal he got benched for each blemish he'll learn he's young, he's got way more talent then Ichiro, and probably just as good as an arm that Ichiro has. The only reason why Ichiro was even in the all-star game is because of Japanese people who just see his name and decide to vote for him since they have no clue who has the real talent in baseball. Give me Nick Swisher, Michael Cuddyer, Jose Guillen, Mark Kotsay, Kenny Lofton, Randy Winn, etc... Over Ichiro anyday.
  16. Jody
    16. Posted by Jody Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    Ichiro is the reason why the Mariners have a 20M a year TV deal from Japan. End of story. And that is just one endorsement deal that is bringing in cash for the Ms. He is like Beckham for them- his value in revenues brought in far outweigh what they will end up paying him. Terrific move by the Ms. Samson should have at least attempted to mention this before he 'railed'; he made a brilliant move in firing the brutally overrated and subversive Joe Girardi, but this was not the smartest move for a 'small market' team prez.
  17. Saro G
    17. Posted by Saro G Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    That putout record is pure coincidence: he can't control where batters will hit the ball.
    And 23 SB through one half season is not a lot.
  18. texas1485
    18. Posted by texas1485 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    Rangers need to try to get some decennt pitching for Texeira as Hicks won't pay him anything
  19. rick u
    19. Posted by rick u Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    Ichiro haters are idiots. the guy is amazing and will be amazing until he is into his 40's. he is like Tony Gwynn but in perfect shape and steals loads of bases. great hitter, great defender, solid character. worth the money. I hoped the padres would get him. he could hit .400 in spacious Petco.
  20. JonM
    20. Posted by JonM Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    admiralsaro the only way you would be correct is if every center fielder stood still. Speed and taking proper paths to the ball = more putouts for better fielders since they make it to more fly balls than poor fielders.
  21. shauncy
    21. Posted by shauncy Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 pm EDT

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    For you people saying that Ichiro isn't worth it...YOU ARE CRAZY!!! He does not only deserve the money, but he also deserves the RESPECT! Think about it...what do you look for in a leadoff batter, hmmm...someone who gets on base, someone who can run the bases, and someone who can score you runs. With Ichiro you know you are getting this every year which means consistency...this is something money can't buy. And how does someone post 200+ hits in a season with a bum knee? This shows you perseverance and dedication to not only the sport, but also to his team...once again, this is something money can't buy. And to the person who posted that someone like Jose Reyes deserves a deal like this over Ichiro because he plays hard and wants to win...I recall this guy getting benched for a couple of games because of his LACK of playing hard! More importantly Ichiro does something other teams would love to have...bring in massive amounts of international attention. Ichiro is an icon in Japan, this means millions in merchandise and thousands in ticket sales. Now this is something that money can buy...and that's why the Seattle Mariners are paying the money to keep Ichiro wearing gray and blue for the rest of his career.
  22. rick u
    22. Posted by rick u Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    @admiralsaro
    23 sb in half a season is a ton!! by recent MLB standards. teams dont steal anymore.
    @rocky63215
    you would make the worst GM. ever. wtf... swisher?, guillen?, WINN?!? those guys wouldnt be allstars if half of mlb died. either you dont watch baseball or you are baised against Japs.
  23. oadaramola
    23. Posted by oadaramola Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    Hmm this is interesting

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