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There have been only 14 winning streaks in the 106-year history of the World Series and six of those repeat champions wore Yankee pinstripes. The only non-Yankee repeat champion of the past 30 years are the Toronto Blue Jays — the team that beat the Phillies in 1993.

These days, it seems like everyone is busy pondering how Philadelphia matches up to the Big Red Machine. Here on the Stew, we're taking a slightly different look: How do the Phillies match up to their old-time rivals, the 1992-93 Blue Jays?

They're actually fairly different teams. The Jays had much more turnover among their regulars, a more dominant regular season offense and worse pitching than the Phillies.

The Jays actually had a surprising amount of turnover for a team that was able to keep it together for two straight title runs. Among position players, only Devon White, Joe Carter, John Olerud, Pat Borders, Roberto Alomar logged significant playing time in both World Series. Among the pitchers, only starter Juan Guzman and relievers Duane Ward, Mike Timlin(notes), and Todd Stottlemyre did the same.

Those who played one but not both were arguably even bigger names — hitters like Dave Winfield, Paul Molitor, Rickey Henderson, and Tony Fernandez and pitchers like David Cone, David Wells(notes), Jack Morris, Pat Hentgen, Al Leiter, and Jimmy Key. Woody Williams(notes), Shawn Green(notes) and Carlos Delgado(notes) were still too young and unproven to make it onto Toronto's 1993 World Series roster.

The 2009 Phillies have more continuity in the field, though they have featured an equally turbulent starting rotation. While the Jays turned over nearly half their defense, the Phillies just exchanged Pat Burrell(notes) for Raul Ibanez(notes) and kept their Jimmy Rollins(notes)-Shane Victorino-Chase Utley(notes)-Ryan Howard-Jayson Werth(notes)-Pedro Feliz-Carlos Ruiz(notes) lineup intact. But like the Jays, they've had a lot of turnover in the rotation. Last season's ace Cole Hamels(notes) is now a No. 3 starter, and Joe Blanton's(notes) fate in the rotation is uncertain at best. Brad Lidge(notes) has had a good postseason, but his regular season led to more than a few debates over whether he should be replaced.

Both teams were led by were clutch first basemen (John Olerud and Howard) and future Hall of Fame second basemen (Roberto Alomar and Utley). Both hail from cities relatively unused to World Series contention — 2008 was the Phillies' sixth World Series appearance in their franchise's history, and 1992 was the Jays' very first Series appearance since their creation in the 1977 expansion.

The Jays were a much more dominant offensive team in their time than the Phillies have been recently, but were much better at scoring runs than preventing them. The '92-'93 Jays finished second and third in baseball in runs scored (out of 26 and 28 teams, respectively), while the last two Phillies teams have been eighth and fourth out of 30. But while the Jays were 19th and 13th in runs allowed, the Phillies were 5th and 7th.

In other words, the Phillies haven't been as dominant offensively as they're assumed to be — but they're better at pitching and defense than they're generally given credit for.

Will all that be enough to beat the Yankees? We'll find out starting in tonight's Game 1, which brings us to the one lock-solid similarity between the Toronto and Philly camps:

Neither likes that team from New York very much. 

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  1. msalig
    1. Posted by msalig Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:54 am EDT

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    come on now last year was the 6th pennant for the Phils. This is actually trip #7 to the Series for the Phightens.
    1915 Boston
    1950 New York
    1980 Kansas City
    1983 Baltimore
    1993 Toronto
    2008 Tampa
    2009 New York.
    Really!??
  2. msalig
    2. Posted by msalig Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:56 am EDT

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    Also the Phillies are a bit older than 111 Years. The Phillies started in 1883. This was the 126th season for the Phightens.
  3. scsiduck
    3. Posted by scsiduck Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:14 am EDT

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    Also: Pat Gillick.
  4. msalig
    4. Posted by msalig Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:18 am EDT

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    actually my bad math season #127
  5. Alex Remington
    5. Posted by Alex Remington Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:27 am EDT

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    They were 111 years old in 1993, obviously.
  6. Erik S
    6. Posted by Erik S Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:48 am EDT

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    So some second rate columnist, said in some second rate rag in New York that the Spanks are going to make the Phils look like a little league team. Do the Spanks, and their fans, have any idea of what is coming for them from the City of Brotherly Love?
  7. TonyL
    7. Posted by TonyL Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:49 am EDT

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    jimmy do you know who your playing in ws. yanks in 6
  8. Erik S
    8. Posted by Erik S Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:57 am EDT

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    Jimmy knows. As do we Philadelphians. I can say that not one person in this city, KNOWING the yankees reputation, is even a little scared. I really think it's you guys that should brace for impact.
  9. Erik
    9. Posted by Erik Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:00 pm EDT

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    Why do these AL teams think they hit more home runs than the Phillies? Take away their designated hitters and the Phils have them beat. Duh!
    On another subject... The Phils have an excellent starting pitcher which Manuel (he has made a lot of poor decisions...) has wasted this post season. The Phils could have used Happ early on when the chips went not so high. The guy is actually 2 years older than Hamels and a better pitcher.
    If the Phils lose the series, blame it on Manuel using Hamels instead of Happ. Hamels had a great series last year, but obviously he lost his stuff. To blame Happ on that loss to LA is a great mistake. Manuel is an idiot for taking out Pedro too early. Also Utley was terrible. It looked like he intentionally threw that one away (he is from USC...)
  10. joe.ward86
    10. Posted by joe.ward86 Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:51 pm EDT

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    Screw both of these teams!! Go Jays!!!
  11. Mike Fields
    11. Posted by Mike Fields Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:58 pm EDT

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    We don't mention the Blue Jays here. That will get you killed where I'm from. CARTER IS A BUM.
  12. lefty
    12. Posted by lefty Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:17 pm EDT

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    Erik - that's a ridiculous post. Happ? Have you watched him pitch recently? He's in over his head, and everytime he comes in the game its a struggle. put him up against the yankees lineup is suicide. they'll smoke him.
  13. IAMFREE
    13. Posted by IAMFREE Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:14 pm EDT

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    This article is ridiculous! You can't compare run production or runs scored against between an AL team and an NL team. The comparison between the 92-93 Jays and the Phillies doesn't even make any sense.
    And neither does @Erik's comments.
    Either way, I'm much more pumped about this series than last years! How epic for the Phils to beat the Yanks in their stadium in 7 games! Can't Wait! go Phils!
  14. sportsguy2905
    14. Posted by sportsguy2905 Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    lol msalig is a moron. Obviously he's comparing from 92-93.
  15. schmenkman
    15. Posted by schmenkman Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:27 pm EDT

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    I second IAMFREE's (#14) comments about the obvious mistake of comparing scoring across leagues. Does Alex know about the DH rule, and that it was put in place in the AL before 1992?
    Erik (9) made the same point but his comment about Utley is way off, kind of like that throw.

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