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Lost in Wednesday's news about NCAA tourney games and cricket-playing ballplayers was the strongarm suggestion by Cubs chairman Crane Kenney that the team could leave Mesa if the city isn't amenable to improving its situation at HoHoKam Park in the near future.

In case you missed it, here's what Kenny told reporters while not-so-subtly reminding Mesa that the Cubs could be "the most desirable free agent" in spring training:

''We've enjoyed our time in Mesa, and they've done a good job for us here.  But if anybody's been to Goodyear (Indians) or Glendale (Dodgers/White Sox), we no longer have a facility that is commensurate with the type of team we have.''

Gauntlet, meet ground. Physical, meet challenge. The Cubs have called Mesa home for 31 straight years and they also trained there between 1952 and 1965. Their current lease runs through 2012, but if they want out, they must notify city officials by February 2010. Ironically, HoHoKam means "those who vanished"  and there would be any number of cities — Sarasota, Fla., chief among them — ready to swallow the team's legion of free-spending fans.

Mesa mayor Scott Smith met with Kenney on Wednesday afternoon and while he later played the "remain calm, all is well!" card with reporters, it seems clear he'll have to do whatever it takes to prevent an escape that the East Valley Tribune claimed would be "devastating to Mesa." 

Here's what Smith said:

"I don't think it's any surprise that as the Cubs get to 2012, they're going to test the market, explore options and see what's out there; (Kenney) made it clear they'll do that. He also made it clear how happy they are in Mesa. They really feel like there's a connection with Mesa."

Undoubtedly the deal will get done and Mesa will build a 1:1 scale model of Wrigleyville if that's what the Cubs request. Just like the Red Sox used Sarasota as a straw man to get a new deal in Fort Myers, Kenney will do the same to get what he wants, 3K miles away.

But here's the thing: The Cactus League should probably be just as desperate to retain the Cubs. Like the Yankees and Red Sox in Florida, it's the Cubs who draw a non-stop stream of sun-starved fans to Arizona spring after spring, but already have a transplanted fanbase of ex-pats who relocated to the sunshine. They're the flagship franchise of the Arizona circuit and they're the team that guarantees a full park no matter what day it is or who's in the lineup.

For example, I watched 9,053 people file into the Mariners' Peoria complex for a Thursday split-squad game that featured Aaron Miles and Micah Hoffpauir as its brightest stars. During the Seventh Inning Stretch, half the crowd yelled "Cubbies," just as it did at the Dodgers' Camelback Ranch on Tuesday. Think that would've happened with the Royals?

To further illustrate my point: The Cubs helped the Dodgers set an attendance record with 13K-plus fans at weeks-old Camelback Ranch during Tuesday's game. Then it set a HoHoKam record when it played the Giants on Wednesday, drawing a similar crowd. This Saturday, they'll likely rebreak the Camelback record when they go back to play their rivals, the White Sox. 

OK, so the blue-clad masses of Baby Bear fans in Arizona might not be made up of the brightest fans out there. In fact, a good deal might not even be able to name one starter from the Cubs' regular lineup. ("Does Ryne Sandberg count?" most would probably say.)

But their wallets open just as wide and their money is just as green.

And even though Arizona is clearly winning the spring training battle with Florida — it lured the Dodgers, Indians and Reds across the country in recent years — I still don't think it wants to imagine a Cactus League without its biggest March draw.  

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  1. sam spade
    1. Posted by sam spade Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    The Cubs unlike most teams are a life style. Many live their lives around Cubs baseball. They winter in whatever place the Cubs are. These are the leisurely rich that follow the Cubs everywhere. They are a boon to any locales economy. This is why these people are with the Cubs win or lose. They would still have nothing to do in the spring and summer. One of the Cubs sponsors is Southwest Airlines. These people fly to every away game, usually only an hours flight. They spend lavishingly on hotels and restraurants. The management of the Cubs knows this. They are in the position of power here.
  2. PATS52
    2. Posted by PATS52 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Sam,it sounds like a loyal fan base willing to spend just to avoid the urine stinge of Wrigley...
  3. PATS52
    3. Posted by PATS52 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    Stinch...that's better..
  4. Mikey S
    4. Posted by Mikey S Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 pm EDT

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    Stinge is accurate enough.
  5. jeffutlaw
    5. Posted by jeffutlaw Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    You mean stench?
    Third time is a charm.
    and your post would suggest people avoid Wrigley. Ever been?
  6. o
    6. Posted by o Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 pm EDT

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    Hey "S"...Put Your Shirt Back ON!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. thason kennedy
    7. Posted by thason kennedy Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    I live in Peoria and work in the city.theres nothing like working in a restraunt and counting on spring training as the highlight of our moneymaking season. these teams and games played bring in thousands of people for a month straight. the cubs leaving would be horrible. and it would prob start a landslide of other teams leaving.
  8. buster
    8. Posted by buster Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    Not to be a complete hater but as a cards fan I must. Why do cubbies fans keep spending money on a giant loser of a franchise?
    So cubbie fans are you going to call me stupid, tell me the Cardinals suck? Atleast we make it to World Series better yet we win World Series oo and better then that we don't blame some weird curse or black cats when the team loses
  9. Nick P
    9. Posted by Nick P Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm EDT

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    They would be stupid to leave AZ for all of the listed reasons. Leave Mesa? That can be done. What would AZ Shlub fans do, fly to FLA? Don't think so. Seems to me like they are pushing to leave Mesa and the facility, but not AZ. AZ needs the Cubs, but the Cubs need AZ. Half of Chicago retires here. The other half is too stupid to ever leave Chicago. More strong arm tactics. Funny you never heard them barking when they were losing every damned season. Here's an idea, Cubs: WIN A PLAYOFF GAME before you start trying to push Spring Training cities around.
    "...we no longer have a facility that is commensurate with the type of team we have.'' I guess he means 0-6 playoff teams?
  10. William G
    10. Posted by William G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    sweet mother of god please come to florida!!!!
  11. blazer 49
    11. Posted by blazer 49 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:06 pm EDT

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    BoSox52....You shouldn't talk too much about any STENCH at Wrigley....My buddy told me that Fenway is no flower garden..So people in glass houses...............you should know the rest of it.....Lets call it the ALLURE & ATMOSPHERE of old stadiums...Which both are.....
  12. sam spade
    12. Posted by sam spade Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    It's the cold of Chicago. February is the coldest month, here. You snow bird it to Arizonia. You rent a condo for about a month. You buy groceries. You rent a car. Your air fare. You could spent 20 or 30K during that month. But here, it's 2 foot of snow and 20 below. Pitchers and catchers report in the middle of February. It has nothing to do with anything but you're leisurely rich and this is your schedule every year. Go Cubs.
  13. sam spade
    13. Posted by sam spade Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    as far as Wrigley Field, if you're off of work during the day. You'll see these same leisurely rich people there at 12 noon. They have nothing to do. They have money. whatever way, you're trying to bum rush Wrigley, these people will still have to find something to do. Nothing is better on a afternoon here in Chicago, than a Cubs game.
  14. UnKle Rukus
    14. Posted by UnKle Rukus Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    Why the hell would a Red Sox fan be complaining about the STINK of a stadium. [profane] you win 2 frickin championships and you forget about your teams' entire history.
    If Wrigley smells like piss, then Fenway stinks like a sewer, and it does. I know Red Sox fans can't smell it, but it does.
  15. PATS52
    15. Posted by PATS52 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:45 pm EDT

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    You again #8,yes i've been to Wrigley,and it's nothing like Fenway,at Fenway fans use the restrooms...
  16. zubee
    16. Posted by zubee Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:49 pm EDT

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    Mesa Arizona better get serious about doing something for the Cubs. All you have to do is ask the people of Vero Beach, Florida. The Dodgers had been there for how many years. Loyalties mean nothing any more to anyone in baseball from the players right on up to management. Port Charlotte learned that a few years ago with the Texas Rangers. They got a better deal in Arizona and were out of Florida in a heart beat. They can no longer look back on what years past meant to what the way things are today. There is always going to be some city either in Arizona or Florida more than willing to make a better offer.
  17. Cardinal fan in AZ
    17. Posted by Cardinal fan in AZ Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    Mesa definately needs to improve it stadium. Some food courts are under the bleachers, parking in on the grass. It is an old ball park but it is not as bad as Hi-Corbett Field in Tucson. Cubs need something on par with Tucson Electric Park.
  18. Fillmore Phil
    18. Posted by Fillmore Phil Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm EDT

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    The best in town, for any team is going to the minor league complexes. You can see two games at once, there is no cost, you could end up sitting next to GM's, parents of players, former players. When I was at the cubs minor league complex back in 1999, I got to talk with Andy McPhail, listen to Jimmy Piersall tell stories, met the parents of catching prospect Jeff Golbach, talked with several players, and saw a 17 year old bat boy that had great energy and looked like he could be a heck of a player. His name was Carlos Zambrano.
  19. glenn
    19. Posted by glenn Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. shut your pie hole cubbies....YOU STINK!
  20. sammythesauce
    20. Posted by sammythesauce Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:38 pm EDT

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    The Cubs are not going anywhere. Mesa or at least Arizona will be home for many years to come.
    And as for Wrigley. It is in a dire need of an upgrade. Starting with the toilets and the players clubhouse.
  21. PaulT
    21. Posted by PaulT Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:23 pm EDT

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    Duk, you're a Cubs fan, so I hope you know better than to buy into the idea that Cubs fans are dumber, or a higher percentage of them are dumb, than anyone else's fan's. The Cubs just happen to have more fans. Let's see what other stereotypes are out there - Cubs fans are gay (it IS the North Side, after all), Cubs fans are rich, Cubs fans are drunk, Cubs fans are frat boys (and girls), Cubs fans just attend for Wrigley Field and "atmosphere". And on and on. Really it's just a team with more, more-involved, fans. People just love the team, and there are a lot of them. As far as those other things they're either wholly untrue, or else no more true than they would be about any other fanbase. But then when a team has a little sister franchise across town and has had for 100+ years, and that other team has been unable to draw comparable crowds for a quarter-century - you'll get some nasty stereotypes going. Sox have some of their own, but people outside Chicago don't know them as well, because the Sox aren't popular.
  22. Hank Strong
    22. Posted by Hank Strong Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    You know what else stinks? Monkey $hit...that's what. Those little suckers love to throw it around too. Give a monkey a pile of $hit ahd he'll be in heaven for a while. I really like monkeys though, even though I would not shake hands with one. They don't wash their hands after throwing their $hit I bet, and if they did who would want to use that sink? It would have monkey poo all over the knobs. YUCK! GO CUBS!
  23. Rob
    23. Posted by Rob Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:43 pm EDT

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    i realize it is rhetoric, but the cubs would be nuts if they moved their st to florida. all east coasters there. if you ain't the yanks, mutts, or sawx, fahgeddaboutit. even though ransacking mesa is a dick move, i guess getting updated facilities is worth it.
    and glenn p, go fall on your head on a ski slope, you loser.
  24. Vandelais
    24. Posted by Vandelais Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:31 pm EDT

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    The 'YOU ROCK JACQUE" sign that guy is holding is a nice touch.
  25. hit man
    25. Posted by hit man Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:25 pm EDT

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    Hey watch it you cub haters. obama "the organizer" won't like it that you are talking bad about his chi town boys. he might pull the bonus of some of your guys too!!!!!!!

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