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When the Yankees won three consecutive World Championships at the end of the last decade, their bullpen was a big key to their success.

Ramiro Mendoza, Mike Stanton(notes), Mariano Rivera(notes) and Jeff Nelson(notes) (clockwise) played pestilence, famine, war and death on the Yankees' opponents from 1998-2000.* Over those three title runs, the Yankees played 44 playoff games and those four relievers made 74 appearances and went 7-1 with a collective 1.94 ERA. They collected 13 holds, 19 saves, and zero blown saves.  Rivera's brilliance has been justly heralded —he had a 0.65 ERA in 41 1/3 innings over those three years, and 18 of the 19 saves — but it has also overshadowed the work of his terrific setup men.

*Mendoza missed the 2000 playoffs due to injury.

As the Yankees prepare to get back into World Series form, it's worth wondering if the current group of Phil Hughes(notes), Phil Coke(notes), Joba Chamberlain(notes) and Rivera can match the performance of their fearsome predecessors.

The Yankees' 2009 bullpen certainly got off to a good start against the Twins and all but Coke pitched while recording a combined 2.25 ERA in eight innings with three holds, one save, and no decisions. This is Coke's first playoff trip, but Hughes, Chamberlain, and Rivera also pitched in the 2007 postseason and their combined postseason numbers were quite gaudy themselves — a 2.05 ERA in 22 innings, though Joba blew a save in "The Bug Game."

Digging deeper into the numbers, the new crew has recorded more strikeouts, though it also issues a few more free passes than the championship corps. The current Yankee top four have been striking out 11.5 men per nine innings in 2007 and 2009, versus just eight K/9 from 1998-2000. But they've also walked 2.5 men per nine innings of late, while they only gave up 1.5 BB/9 a decade ago. For this reason, the WHIP has risen from an absurd 0.95 to a merely terrific 1.14. The homer rates are identical and minuscule — 0.4 per 9 innings.

Of course, playoff numbers are the very definition of a small sample size, so it's worth digging into the regular season numbers of the two groups. As it turns out, Mendoza, Stanton, Nelson, and Rivera saved their best stuff for the playoffs. From 1998-2000, they combined for a 3.42 ERA, with a 1.27 WHIP and a 2.28 K/BB.

In contrast, the relief appearances by Coke, Hughes, Chamberlain and Rivera in 2007 and 2009 combined for a 2.53 ERA, a 0.97 WHIP, and a 4.68 K/BB. (Hughes and Coke didn't pitch out of the pen in 2007.) Much of that improvement has actually been the ageless Rivera, who in the last three seasons has posted three of the five highest K/BB of his career. But Hughes this year had one of the best seasons by a Yankee reliever not named Rivera and Joba's bullpen dominance in 2007 is still legendary.

Perhaps the regular season superiority of the new kids shouldn't be surprising. The Yankees got Jeff Nelson as a throw-in in the Tino Martinez deal and got Stanton from the Rangers for a player to be named later.

Hughes and Chamberlain, on the other hand, were deemed more valuable than Johan Santana(notes) when the Twins were shopping their ace. The duo has better arms and more talent than any of the setup men from the Yanks' World Championship teams. There's no guarantee they can match the sustained performance of Stanton, Mendoza and Nelson — still astonishing after all these years — but they have a good chance with their talent.

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  1. Rob Iracane
    1. Posted by Rob Iracane Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:35 pm EDT

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    Very smart piece, but what if slumping southpaw Damaso Marte grounds the whole operation by giving up a grand slam to the Angels' only lefty, Bobby Abreu?
  2. Walt and Anora
    2. Posted by Walt and Anora Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:54 pm EDT

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    Really nice write up -- but what the hell was the final score?
  3. Walt and Anora
    3. Posted by Walt and Anora Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:54 pm EDT

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    Really nice write up -- but what the hell was the final score?
  4. Mendoza Line
    4. Posted by Mendoza Line Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:17 pm EDT

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    Mendooooozaaaaaaaa!!!!!
  5. BIGGDOGG
    5. Posted by BIGGDOGG Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    Well if they go to marte at all it would be a shame. Anyway this bullpen is very good and we'll see how far they can take the Yankees since they decided to go to a 3 man rotation.
  6. Dean M
    6. Posted by Dean M Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:32 pm EDT

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    Stanton wasn't acquired from the Rangers; he signed as a free agent in December of 1996.
    And while I agree that the new guys are very, very good, I disagree that they have better arms and are more talented. Stanton alone had outstanding post season numbers before he ever got to the Yankees (he was as big a part of that early 90's Braves dynasty as he was the last Yankees one).
    Hughes, Coke and Chamberlain have A LOT left to prove before they can even begin to be included at the same level as those other guys. Helping to win this year would be a good start.
  7. cairamar
    7. Posted by cairamar Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:18 am EDT

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    I am so proud that 2 of those 4 great pitchers are Panamanians (Mendoza and Rivera). Such a small country, so much talent. Viva Panama!
    Rivera is great, but he is older now. As long as the rest of the pitchers in the bullpen do their job and he gets the chance to get his 3 outs in the 9th, there shouldn't be any problem with him saving the game. I have noticed that when Girardi brings him in the 8th, he is very effective, while he struggles big time to get the 3 outs in the 9th. Same could apply if he comes in the 9th and has to pitch again in the 10th. He can get you 3-4 outs great, but don't expect to get more than 5 or he'll blow it.
    I think Chamberlain, Hughes, etc are good but this is their first true post-season test, and we will see how effective they really are.
  8. david t
    8. Posted by david t Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:31 am EDT

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    Yankees will ride on all teams what get in they way this postseason. This bullpen is more than good enough to finish out games, and the starting rotation will make it even easier for them. Don't forget: This team can score, which just makes it all that much easier. They could just save everyone a lot of trouble and just hand over the title to the Yankees right now, but it's more fun watching them ride on gay teams like the Red Sox (i REALLY enjoyed that one.) Also, don't forget Brian Bruney...he's still in the mix if they need him and he can throw with the best of them. And cairamr: I didn't know that Mendoza and Rivera were Panamanians, and, yeah, you should be proud....that's a lot of talent from a little country. Hell, I'm a European-American but even i'll say it: Viva Panama!
    PEACE OUT i'm 5 ohhhhhhhhh!
  9. Glenn
    9. Posted by Glenn Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:32 pm EDT

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    2 great pens... Yanks have it all this year...
  10. Kenneth E
    10. Posted by Kenneth E Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:51 pm EDT

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    Lets seeeeeee uhhh NO !!!!!!!!!
  11. zack
    11. Posted by zack Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    You didnt even mention Robertson, who has one of the highest K9 in all of baseball.
    Ace, Robertson, Joba, Hughes, Mo is just sick. Coke is really just a LOOGY right now so he shouldnt even be mentioned, in a big spot they're going to Hughes or Mo
  12. Mr. G
    12. Posted by Mr. G Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:27 pm EDT

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    Didn't Phil Coke get a 1-pitch out in the opening series? You said that he didn't pitch at all...just checking.
  13. sean.dm83
    13. Posted by sean.dm83 Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:37 pm EDT

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    Uh, does anyone outside of New York even care about this????? For the Yanks to spend all that money this decade and only have one WS championship to show is an embarrassment.
  14. uh oh
    14. Posted by uh oh Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:29 pm EDT

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    There's a big difference between the numbers of a bullpen in a losing series than in a winning series...clutch has to come in at some point. That's why I take the late nineties combination over the newbies (in 2007, sure they had a decent 2.05 ERA, but those two+ runs were the difference in a series that only lasted 4 games. Oh, 2007, back when Fausto Carmona was arguably the best pitcher in the AL. Joba=Choke.
  15. jokeesmurf
    15. Posted by jokeesmurf Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:47 pm EDT

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    Hey Post #13 if it bothers you so much to post something negative about a franchise that has pride it self in winning and when its all said and done the yanks will win 2 championships in less than 10 yrs and # 27 in there history and that is more championships than any team in any sport PERIOD !
    Now the problem most people have with the yankees is that they have an owner that is spending HIS MONEY to get the best players to have the best chance to win and there is no guarante in that because the yanks only have one world series title to show for it but if they make it past the Angels this will be there 4th appearance in the World Series in 9 yrs and that it self just shows that this team is there every year except the 08 season but can you name how many teams in baseball that has accomplished as much or even half of what the yanks organization has done for the sport ?.......the answer is none .....The Yankees represents MLB And represents America's favorite past time .
    The sad part is that every team in MLB can spend to get better players but choose not to and thats why most of these teams are cellar dwellars and never make the post season or are not good enough to get past The New York Yankees !!
  16. jon
    16. Posted by jon Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:53 pm EDT

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    yankees suck balls.
  17. jokeesmurf
    17. Posted by jokeesmurf Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:24 am EDT

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    In your face YANKEE HATERS !
  18. debbie
    18. Posted by debbie Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:25 am EDT

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    Jon , you're an idiot.If you don't have anything intelligent to say, SHUTUP! The Yankees are the greatest & they are going all the way!!!
  19. debbie
    19. Posted by debbie Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:31 am EDT

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    To Jokeesmurf, couldn't have said it better myself!
  20. Bob V
    20. Posted by Bob V Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:00 pm EDT

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    Yo, # 16.....Jon.....Shut the [profane] up. You are talking about the GREATEST team in history in ANY sport!! Get a clue about something before you write. Pretty sure you were talking about your own personal taste for a man's coconuts...lol
  21. irishbuckeye
    21. Posted by irishbuckeye Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:20 pm EDT

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    hands down, just as good!
  22. Sam
    22. Posted by Sam Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:31 pm EDT

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    Yes.
  23. Mal Carne
    23. Posted by Mal Carne Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    DAvid Robertson seems to me more impressive and valuable in this post season than Coke.
  24. barryshantz
    24. Posted by barryshantz Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:51 pm EDT

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    Jon Your a goof !!!!!!!!!!!

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