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In a retirement announcement, made today at his blog, 38pitches.com, Curt Schilling not-so-subtly made the following observation:

"Four World Series, three World Championships. That there are men with plaques in Cooperstown who never experienced one — and I was able to be on three teams over seven years that won it all — is another 'beyond my wildest dreams" set of memories I'll take with me.' "

"Men with plaques in Cooperstown," Schill says. Just slips that in, to get it on the record, added just in case anyone doing a Schilling career obit forgets to make a Hall of Fame reference.

It's better for Schilling that, when campaigning for the Hall of Fame, he makes it look like he is not campaigning for the Hall of Fame as much as possible. He's just too liable to irritate voters.

Schilling's 216 victories tie him for 80th on the career list; he can't even top Charlie Hough or, for someone in this millennium, Kenny Rogers (219) and Jamie Moyer (246). Statistically, it's the most unimpressive thing about Schilling. Of course, anyone thinking Schilling isn't better than Moyer, Rogers and Hough ought to have his or her thinkin' license revoked.

At the same time, some consider Schilling a deity just because of his bloody sock game. GQ Magazine and other possible haters have pointed out that the sock might have been bloodied for theater. Who cares, right? He won the game, so what do his socks matter?

Well, it makes for a better story in something like a Cooperstown speech.

Schilling's postseasons did seem to be larger than life.  He went 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 career playoff starts. He did benefit from pitching in an era of multiple postseason series. Cy Young won 511 career games in the regular season but only made six postseason starts (going 2-3, believe it or not).

How much of Schilling is Hall of Fame and how much is hyperbole?

Schilling is a Hall of Famer because he finished second in Cy Young voting three times and made six All-Star teams. He finished with 3,116 strikeouts (15th all time), and with an ERA that was nearly a run below the league average. His complete record, when considering his work in the playoffs, is Hall of Fame quality and needs no embellishment.

From the man or his socks.

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  1. Mathies J
    1. Posted by Mathies J Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:54 pm EDT

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    And let's not forget he was an integral part of bringing a world championship to Boston. First ballot in my mind.
  2. Fred Glick
    2. Posted by Fred Glick Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    Great, the festering yap has retired. Does this mean his piehole retires too and he STFU? One can only hope and pray but it is highly unlikely. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
  3. hater h
    3. Posted by hater h Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:06 pm EDT

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    I asked Schilling on his blog to tell me the difference between him getting a cortisone shot to continue pitching in the world series and Bonds taking the clear and the cream to recover from workouts. Cortisone is a known steroid designed to improve recovery and numb pain. The clear and the cream were unknown steroids designed to improve recovery. Schilling didn't respond but did remove my question from his blog.
    Is it a coincidence that he never pitched again after the Mitchell report?
  4. bxsbmr
    4. Posted by bxsbmr Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:00 pm EDT

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    Good riddance you loud mouthed jackass!!
  5. Bryon H
    5. Posted by Bryon H Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:04 pm EDT

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    The bloody sock is a joke, he was shot up and felt no pain whatsoever. I am so glad he is retired because I am sick of his opinions, thoughts, and face. He always has to get his 2 cents in if he is asked for or if he is not. He was a great pitcher, one of the best, but never won a Cy Young, and on his team was the # two starter most of the time, (Johnson, Pedro, even Beckett) if his 216 wins and 3 world series get him in the hall then , Pettite, Jack Morris, Bert Bly should all be in the hall also. I wish he would retire and just go away but I am sure there will be an opinion not needed somewhere soon and he will be right there to help out.
  6. Geoff T
    6. Posted by Geoff T Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    Even if Schill doesn't get into the HoF, he will easily be loved by Boston for years to come. He was a workhorse for those four years, and theatrical makeup or not, he BLED for the Sox. His return with that sutured ankle was the stuff of legend, a lot like Larry Bird's return to stick the dagger in the Pacers in 1991.
    I really would love to see his number retired here, but that might be asking too much.
  7. Todd B
    7. Posted by Todd B Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:55 pm EDT

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    If Schilling gets in, that means that Mike Mussina better too.
  8. KetchupSock
    8. Posted by KetchupSock Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Who cares? Just another pompous self promoting blowhard.
  9. TheTruth
    9. Posted by TheTruth Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm EDT

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    Based on his stats, he belongs in the Hall, first ballot. But his lousy personality will probably keep him off until the next one. Writing on his blog, comparing himself to those in Cooperstown, is typical Schilling. What a douchebag.
  10. ranger
    10. Posted by ranger Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    first ballot hall of famer he brought a championship to the BO SOX and he was the ACE of the PHILLIES when they made there run and part of the dinamic duo in ARIZONA what more does he have to do
  11. Tom
    11. Posted by Tom Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    If Jack Morris isn't in the Hall, then neither should be Schilling.
  12. Ryno
    12. Posted by Ryno Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm EDT

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    So long fat boy!
  13. steve94539
    13. Posted by steve94539 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    good, we don't have to listen to his stupid fat ass, bald comments about other people anymore. He did roids however never got caught like his buddy David Ortiz, once they stepped up testing he retires & Ortiz is a minor leaguer...
  14. Barbara T
    14. Posted by Barbara T Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:12 pm EDT

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    Ugh... thanks god he's gone!!!!
  15. Barbara T
    15. Posted by Barbara T Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:12 pm EDT

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    Ugh... thank god he's gone!!!!
  16. Jess L
    16. Posted by Jess L Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    I'm a die hard Red Sox fan, and even I have to agree that Schilling is arrogant and a bit of a prick (although he was right about calling A-Rod "bush league"!) Jack Morris is a great comparison, too - and a lot of people think he is one of the most overlooked pitchers of the last 25 years. The Mussina comparison is stupid for one reason...Mussina never one ANYTHING. Schilling was instrumental in both Arizona and Boston in their world series wins, and sorry Bryon...Pedro was #2 to Curt in 2004. I don't think Schilling is first-ballot-worthy, but he should be in the Hall. And Hater...if there is no difference between a cortisone shot and the cream/clear, then why didn't Barry just take a cortisone shot since it is legal, over the counter, etc.
  17. Hitman
    17. Posted by Hitman Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:48 pm EDT

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    Tough crowd.
  18. Web One
    18. Posted by Web One Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:55 pm EDT

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    Cortisone = Steroid.He's just as guilty.Just because he was on the red sox team that finally won a WS doesn't mean he deserves to be in the HOF.He's big mouthed idiot who won't be missed outside of boston.HOF???
    HELL NO!!!!
  19. BigDog
    19. Posted by BigDog Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    I heard that Schilling retired because he had a hang nail.
  20. roosterbhc
    20. Posted by roosterbhc Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    Curt you loud BUSH loving [profane]. Glad to see you gone! You were a cancer here in Phoenix and we could not wait to see you go. Enjoy your retirement and keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself......
  21. Smoshed
    21. Posted by Smoshed Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Schilling belongs in the hall. His wins and winning percentage are a little less than what they should be, but he gets in based upon his post season performance, period. His post season statistics are historic. He's one of the best big game pitchers of his generation. I don't agree with his politics, and yes he's opinionated and never shied away from stating his view. Between the lines he was a warrior and always gave his all. He'll always be remembered for the 2004 ALCS helping Boston to advance to the Series. The biggest choke in professional sports history. Maybe not a first ballot, but belongs in. Morris and Blyleven most definitely belong in too. Mussina is questionable. He never won a championship. He never really was a dominant ace on a pitching staff either (maybe an argument could be made when he was an Oriole). Schilling was. Possibly in a weak year and due to the steroid era, Mussina could squeak in.
  22. Rdub
    22. Posted by Rdub Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    Schilling isn't Hall material. There aren't many starting pitchers in the Hall with fewer wins than Schilling, and he's only led the league in strikeouts twice in his career. He's also never won a Cy Young Award and never won 20 games in a season until his 14th year as a pro. He's making it sound like him bringing a World Series to Boston alone gives him HOF status. Curt Schilling is a bona fide joke.
  23. Hambone
    23. Posted by Hambone Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    Yes! Now that he's done playing, HE CAN BLOG 24-7!
  24. facehead
    24. Posted by facehead Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:27 pm EDT

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    Good by big mouth! the man with the painted sock!
  25. W.B.
    25. Posted by W.B. Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Oh, I thought he was retiring from BLOGGING!

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